ami B cashbox

i dont have a key to the cash box. theres no number i can see on it.
did they make a master key for it or do i have to drill it out to get
it open. im talking about the cash drawer located on the bottom of the
cabinet. thanks norm

Originally Posted by em pinball

i dont have a key to the cash box. theres no number i can see on it.
did they make a master key for it or do i have to drill it out to get
it open. im talking about the cash drawer located on the bottom of the
cabinet. thanks norm

Hi Norm,

No cash box locks were always none standard. If your jukebox has an access panel on the back of the jukebox you may be able to open the box from the back by removing the nut off of the back of the lock. If it is a sealed cash box then drill through the center of the lock with a small pilot drill and then go through with a 1/4 inch drill. The door should then come open.

Regards
Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

On Apr 19, 10:02*am, em pinball wrote:
i dont have a key to the cash box. theres no number i can see on it.
did they make a master key for it or do i have to drill it out to get
it open. im talking about the cash drawer located on the bottom of the
cabinet. *thanks norm

If it looks like it has a flat key with the teeth on one side only,
you could look amongst your
keys for one that fits in the hole, sometimes if you jiggle them
enough, they will turn. Trying to pull the key
out by a very tiny amount a little at a time while rotating the key
back and forth.

If it is one of those double sided "fort lock" things used on
countless pinballs in the 1970's, you may
get lucky doing the same with another of these keys. Key number 1332
will open many locks.

On Apr 19, 10:02*am, em pinball wrote:
i dont have a key to the cash box. theres no number i can see on it.
did they make a master key for it or do i have to drill it out to get
it open. im talking about the cash drawer located on the bottom of the
cabinet. *thanks norm


You can drill it out if needed. This isnt a lot of fun, but do-able.
It is the best way to avoid
damage to the juke which im sure you want to keep intact as much as
possible due to its age
and possible collectable value.

Im going on the G80
here, but with that it was possible to carefully lever up the wooden
top above the lock, enough
to let the lock tab clear the slot and the cashbox just slid out. Be
very careful not to break or
the wood if you try this.

Alan Hood wrote:
em pinball;679902 Wrote:
i dont have a key to the cash box. theres no number i can see on it.
did they make a master key for it or do i have to drill it out to get
it open. im talking about the cash drawer located on the bottom of the
cabinet. thanks norm

Hi Norm,

No cash box locks were always none standard. If your jukebox has an
access panel on the back of the jukebox you may be able to open the box
from the back by removing the nut off of the back of the lock. If it is
a sealed cash box then drill through the center of the lock with a small
pilot drill and then go through with a 1/4 inch drill. The door should
then come open.

Regards
Alan Hood
ami-man
UK





As Alan says cash box locks (and keys) were unique to each individual
machine, whereas the cabinet locks were (and still are) standard for a
number of years. This enabled the route man to change the records, but
would have no access to the cash, and the cashout person (a trusted
employee or the owner) would be the only person with easy access to the
money.

John :-#)#

--
(Please post followups or tech enquiries to the newsgroup)
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Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
www.flippers.com
"Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

On 4/19/2011 12:53 PM, John Robertson wrote:
Alan Hood wrote:
em pinball;679902 Wrote:
i dont have a key to the cash box. theres no number i can see on it.
did they make a master key for it or do i have to drill it out to get
it open. im talking about the cash drawer located on the bottom of the
cabinet. thanks norm

Hi Norm,

No cash box locks were always none standard. If your jukebox has an
access panel on the back of the jukebox you may be able to open the box
from the back by removing the nut off of the back of the lock. If it is
a sealed cash box then drill through the center of the lock with a small
pilot drill and then go through with a 1/4 inch drill. The door should
then come open.

Regards
Alan Hood
ami-man
UK





As Alan says cash box locks (and keys) were unique to each individual
machine, whereas the cabinet locks were (and still are) standard for a
number of years. This enabled the route man to change the records, but
would have no access to the cash, and the cashout person (a trusted
employee or the owner) would be the only person with easy access to the
money.

John :-#)#


But John, don't you have one of those master keys that open every
pinball made? ;-) How many times have you heard that one! I've even
had customers argue with me about it that I wouldn't have had to charge
them for drilling out the old lock and installing a new one if only I
had the master key like I should. Sigh.

Tony

On Apr 19, 9:00*pm, Tony Miklos wrote:
On 4/19/2011 12:53 PM, John Robertson wrote:



Alan Hood wrote:
em pinball;679902 Wrote:
i dont have a key to the cash box. theres no number i can see on it.
did they make a master key for it or do i have to drill it out to get
it open. im talking about the cash drawer located on the bottom of the
cabinet. thanks norm

Hi Norm,

No cash box locks were always none standard. If your jukebox has an
access panel on the back of the jukebox you may be able to open the box
from the back by removing the nut off of the back of the lock. If it is
a sealed cash box then drill through the center of the lock with a small
pilot drill and then go through with a 1/4 inch drill. The door should
then come open.

Regards
Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

As Alan says cash box locks (and keys) were unique to each individual
machine, whereas the cabinet locks were (and still are) standard for a
That last statement is exactly why I don't do service on anything but
my locations.
I did go a few times to help a older friend when he had a hard time
with a machine in someone's home. It was always the same depressing
situation; filthy derelict machines that looked like they were bought
right of of location..or some barn. After getting nicotine, old
grease and mouse dropping on your hands you appraise the owner that
the unit needs complete restoration..by someone else, and that there
are other issues that will cause it to fail eventually.

A week or so later my old friend gets a call from a person saying: "i
thought you fixed it" in an accusatory tone. Assholes. I went with him
when he went back to one such situation. It was an AY100 or 160
Nothing had ever been rebuilt. The amp's bias supply had failed taking
out the main amp fuse and probably wearing the 6973 finals, the mech
bucked due to a worn clutch member (and that ten-ton mech cover) etc.

When my old friend Bill pointed out all the problems, the asshole
started acting as though he was trying to cheat him and that it must
be just a "simple adjustment, I mean these things are built for
bars". I closed my briefcase with the schematics and some tools and
said to Bill, "that's enough of this idiot" and told him to come with
me if he wanted. As we were leaving the guy asked "can you atleast
name someone else (to fix it)" I said I didn't have anyone I disliked
enough to give them that machine to work on. That was the third and
last home call for me.

A few times a year one of my retro locations will give my number out
(against my wishes) and I'll have a message on my machine from someone
who has a machine "just like the one at xxxx Diner" and "I'm. sure it
is a simple thing" One guy said "you are my last hope, the guy who
used to fix it for me had cancer and died"

No mas.

Rob







number of years. This enabled the route man to change the records, but
would have no access to the cash, and the cashout person (a trusted
employee or the owner) would be the only person with easy access to the
money.

John :-#)#

But John, don't you have one of those master keys that open every
pinball made? *;-) *How many times have you heard that one! *I've even
had customers argue with me about it that I wouldn't have had to charge
them for drilling out the old lock and installing a new one if only I
had the master key like I should. *Sigh.

Tony

Originally Posted by Rob in NYC[_2_]

On Apr 19, 9:00*pm, Tony Miklos wrote:
On 4/19/2011 12:53 PM, John Robertson wrote:



Alan Hood wrote:
em pinball;679902 Wrote:
i dont have a key to the cash box. theres no number i can see on it.
did they make a master key for it or do i have to drill it out to get
it open. im talking about the cash drawer located on the bottom of the
cabinet. thanks norm

Hi Norm,

No cash box locks were always none standard. If your jukebox has an
access panel on the back of the jukebox you may be able to open the box
from the back by removing the nut off of the back of the lock. If it is
a sealed cash box then drill through the center of the lock with a small
pilot drill and then go through with a 1/4 inch drill. The door should
then come open.

Regards
Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

As Alan says cash box locks (and keys) were unique to each individual
machine, whereas the cabinet locks were (and still are) standard for a
That last statement is exactly why I don't do service on anything but
my locations.
I did go a few times to help a older friend when he had a hard time
with a machine in someone's home. It was always the same depressing
situation; filthy derelict machines that looked like they were bought
right of of location..or some barn. After getting nicotine, old
grease and mouse dropping on your hands you appraise the owner that
the unit needs complete restoration..by someone else, and that there
are other issues that will cause it to fail eventually.

A week or so later my old friend gets a call from a person saying: "i
thought you fixed it" in an accusatory tone. Assholes. I went with him
when he went back to one such situation. It was an AY100 or 160
Nothing had ever been rebuilt. The amp's bias supply had failed taking
out the main amp fuse and probably wearing the 6973 finals, the mech
bucked due to a worn clutch member (and that ten-ton mech cover) etc.

When my old friend Bill pointed out all the problems, the asshole
started acting as though he was trying to cheat him and that it must
be just a "simple adjustment, I mean these things are built for
bars". I closed my briefcase with the schematics and some tools and
said to Bill, "that's enough of this idiot" and told him to come with
me if he wanted. As we were leaving the guy asked "can you atleast
name someone else (to fix it)" I said I didn't have anyone I disliked
enough to give them that machine to work on. That was the third and
last home call for me.

A few times a year one of my retro locations will give my number out
(against my wishes) and I'll have a message on my machine from someone
who has a machine "just like the one at xxxx Diner" and "I'm. sure it
is a simple thing" One guy said "you are my last hope, the guy who
used to fix it for me had cancer and died"

No mas.

Rob







number of years. This enabled the route man to change the records, but
would have no access to the cash, and the cashout person (a trusted
employee or the owner) would be the only person with easy access to the
money.

John :-#)#

But John, don't you have one of those master keys that open every
pinball made? *;-) *How many times have you heard that one! *I've even
had customers argue with me about it that I wouldn't have had to charge
them for drilling out the old lock and installing a new one if only I
had the master key like I should. *Sigh.

Tony

Hi John,

How true, it seems the more we do for some of these people the worse it gets and it comes to the time when the tool case is closed and we just get back into our cars.
After saying that anyone who has done any route work is normally calm and it takes a lot to get them going, I did it for around 18 years until I surrendered our Gaming Licence. Now just do bench work, much better.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

On Apr 20, 2:25*pm, Rob in NYC wrote:
On Apr 19, 9:00*pm, Tony Miklos wrote:

On 4/19/2011 12:53 PM, John Robertson wrote:

Alan Hood wrote:
em pinball;679902 Wrote:
i dont have a key to the cash box. theres no number i can see on it..
did they make a master key for it or do i have to drill it out to get
it open. im talking about the cash drawer located on the bottom of the
cabinet. thanks norm

Hi Norm,

No cash box locks were always none standard. If your jukebox has an
access panel on the back of the jukebox you may be able to open the box
from the back by removing the nut off of the back of the lock. If it is
a sealed cash box then drill through the center of the lock with a small
pilot drill and then go through with a 1/4 inch drill. The door should
then come open.

Regards
Alan Hood
ami-man
UK

As Alan says cash box locks (and keys) were unique to each individual
machine, whereas the cabinet locks were (and still are) standard for a

That last statement is exactly why I don't do service on anything but
my locations.
I did go a few times to help a older friend when he had a hard time
with a machine in someone's home. *It was always the same depressing
situation; filthy derelict machines that looked like they were bought
right of of location..or some barn. *After getting nicotine, old
grease and mouse dropping on *your hands you appraise the owner that
the unit needs *complete restoration..by someone else, and that there
are other issues that will cause it to fail eventually.

A week or so later my old friend gets a call from a person saying: "i
thought you fixed it" in an accusatory tone. Assholes. I went with him
when he went back to one such situation. It was an AY100 or 160
Nothing had ever been rebuilt. The amp's bias supply had failed taking
out the main amp fuse and probably wearing the 6973 finals, the mech
bucked due to a worn clutch member (and that ten-ton mech cover) etc.

When my old friend Bill pointed out all the problems, the asshole
started acting as though he was trying to cheat him and that it must
be just a "simple adjustment, I mean these things are built for
bars". *I closed my briefcase with the schematics and some tools and
said to Bill, "that's enough of this idiot" and told him to come with
me if he wanted. As we were leaving the guy asked "can you atleast
name someone else (to fix it)" I said I didn't have anyone I disliked
enough to give them that machine to work on. *That was the third and
last home call for me.


" I didn't have anyone I disliked enough to give them that machine to
work on"
LMFAO - that is a classic.


A few times a year one of my retro locations will give my number out
(against my wishes) and I'll have a message on my machine from someone
who has a machine "just like the one at xxxx Diner" *and "I'm. sure it
is a simple thing" One guy said "you are my last hope, the guy who
used to fix it for me had cancer and died"

No mas.

Rob

number of years. This enabled the route man to change the records, but
would have no access to the cash, and the cashout person (a trusted
employee or the owner) would be the only person with easy access to the
money.

John :-#)#

But John, don't you have one of those master keys that open every
pinball made? *;-) *How many times have you heard that one! *I've even
had customers argue with me about it that I wouldn't have had to charge
them for drilling out the old lock and installing a new one if only I
had the master key like I should. *Sigh.

Tony


I can back Rob on this.

Have even had one home repair on an AMI H that actually landed me in
court, where I had to defend it myself, and fortunately won.

The guy had fiddled with it so much, after we did a simple
straightforward repair where one of the "cam" leaf switches was
unable to ever activate due to the thing being bent out of range of
the arm that was meant to activate it. This resulted in the record
going to the turntable, playing but never going back afterwards.

This happened a couple of years back and I have sworn off this sort of
work ever since.

His story sounds quite typical of these drop-kicks, and I'm glad it
didn't end up with all the hassles that I had.


Would you believe that even after all this, the guy was genuinely
amazed that I refused to do any further
work on his machine in future, virtually crying "there is no one else
I can find in the eastern states of Australia
who knows how these things work or can fix".



Last week, I got a call from a guy who lived about 150 miles from me,
and wanted me to come to his house to
fix a Kiss pinball and a black and white "space invaders" cocktail
table
He had bought them from Ebay for about $8000 US for the pair, had them
shipped about 1500 miles, the pinball arrived not working,
including a "dead mouse stuck to the big computer board on the upper
left" and the table arrived smashed in transit, (glass and the
picture tube from his
description and god knows what else).

I was expected to restore this gear to working order, at his house,
and bill the guy who sold them to him. Same story,
no one else in the area knew how to fix the thing (or would.) He had
already been through most of the yellow pages.

Guess what I told him ???





I could also tell you about a certain tenant in an apartment we rent
out also, but OT on this group.

Alan Hood wrote:
'Rob in NYC[_2_ Wrote:
;680101']On Apr 19, 9:00*pm, Tony Miklos wrote:-
On 4/19/2011 12:53 PM, John Robertson wrote:


-
Alan Hood wrote:-
em pinball;679902 Wrote:
i dont have a key to the cash box. theres no number i can see on it.
did they make a master key for it or do i have to drill it out to get
it open. im talking about the cash drawer located on the bottom of
the
cabinet. thanks norm--
--
Hi Norm,--
--
No cash box locks were always none standard. If your jukebox has an
access panel on the back of the jukebox you may be able to open the
box
from the back by removing the nut off of the back of the lock. If it
is
a sealed cash box then drill through the center of the lock with a
small
pilot drill and then go through with a 1/4 inch drill. The door
should
then come open.--
--
Regards
Alan Hood
ami-man
UK--
-
As Alan says cash box locks (and keys) were unique to each individual
machine, whereas the cabinet locks were (and still are) standard for
a--
That last statement is exactly why I don't do service on anything but
my locations.
I did go a few times to help a older friend when he had a hard time
with a machine in someone's home. It was always the same depressing
situation; filthy derelict machines that looked like they were bought
right of of location..or some barn. After getting nicotine, old
grease and mouse dropping on your hands you appraise the owner that
the unit needs complete restoration..by someone else, and that there
are other issues that will cause it to fail eventually.

A week or so later my old friend gets a call from a person saying: "i
thought you fixed it" in an accusatory tone. Assholes. I went with him
when he went back to one such situation. It was an AY100 or 160
Nothing had ever been rebuilt. The amp's bias supply had failed taking
out the main amp fuse and probably wearing the 6973 finals, the mech
bucked due to a worn clutch member (and that ten-ton mech cover) etc.

When my old friend Bill pointed out all the problems, the asshole
started acting as though he was trying to cheat him and that it must
be just a "simple adjustment, I mean these things are built for
bars". I closed my briefcase with the schematics and some tools and
said to Bill, "that's enough of this idiot" and told him to come with
me if he wanted. As we were leaving the guy asked "can you atleast
name someone else (to fix it)" I said I didn't have anyone I disliked
enough to give them that machine to work on. That was the third and
last home call for me.

A few times a year one of my retro locations will give my number out
(against my wishes) and I'll have a message on my machine from someone
who has a machine "just like the one at xxxx Diner" and "I'm. sure it
is a simple thing" One guy said "you are my last hope, the guy who
used to fix it for me had cancer and died"

No mas.

Rob






--
number of years. This enabled the route man to change the records,
but
would have no access to the cash, and the cashout person (a trusted
employee or the owner) would be the only person with easy access to
the
money.-
-
John :-#)#-

But John, don't you have one of those master keys that open every
pinball made? *;-) *How many times have you heard that one! *I've even
had customers argue with me about it that I wouldn't have had to
charge
them for drilling out the old lock and installing a new one if only I
had the master key like I should. *Sigh.

Tony-

Hi John,

How true, it seems the more we do for some of these people the worse it
gets and it comes to the time when the tool case is closed and we just
get back into our cars.
After saying that anyone who has done any route work is normally calm
and it takes a lot to get them going, I did it for around 18 years until
I surrendered our Gaming Licence. Now just do bench work, much better.

Regards
Alan

Alan Hood
ami-man
UK





I am surprised by all the horror stories you guys have - I've been doing
home repairs in Vancouver, BC since the 1970s and have never had a
customer treat me or any of my staff like that.

I have two full-time employees and three part-timers and about all we do
is fix pins, vids, and jukes and sell them. Our current wait-list for
repairs is about 80 some folks who all understand it may be a month or
two before we can get to them.

We explain that we only warranty what we replace, however we do make an
strong effort to get back to the house even if something has gone wrong
that we figure is unlikely to be our fault. We explain to the customer
what we did and what we found and charge them a bit more if it is
unrelated to our previous work, or absorb the labour cost if the repair
guy figures he should have caught it the first time. We normally charge
for the extra parts though.

We're a member of the BBB and had 77 on-line enquiries about our firm
last year (we are listed there as A+ with no claims, etc in the past
three years) - have been a member for many years, mostly for the credit
card discounts, but also for the help they will offer if you ever have
trouble - which we have never called them on, nor has a customer ever
filed with them against us.

My staff are fairly well paid and they all enjoy working at the shop -
now I wish I could take home more $$, but I make enough for my needs and
I have a place to tinker on my projects...works for me!

As I say, not sure why we don't have much in the way of problems (the
odd jerk, but we can handle them), maybe we are just lucky.

John :-#)#

--
(Please post followups or tech enquiries to the newsgroup)
John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9
Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
www.flippers.com
"Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."