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Is the jukebox market dead?
I can't believe things are this bad. I've been trying to sell a fully shopped 1976 Seeburg STD3 Sunstar since mid summer. It's on 3 different craiglist areas in Maryland and Delaware. It's been on WBOC classifieds.It's been in the Sussex Guide which goes all over Delaware and the eastern shore of Maryland. it's on it's 2nd run in there with bold so it's easy to see and no price mentioned so even someone hoping to get one cheap might call and not 1 single phone call from that listing. I did get a few no shows at the beginning of trying to sell it. Should I ebay it or what? Any ideas? I need to sell it. I don't want to sit on it for several years until the economy turns around if it turns around.I see the local guy fixing and selling Rowe jukes has got desperate and put one on ebay for a much cheaper Buy It Now price than he was in the Sussex Guide with 60 day warranty and extras included. Seems pretty bad if no one even calls or emails. J.C. |
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"johninc" wrote in message ... "J.C." wrote in news:68be6ef3-ce44-4b96-a599- : and no price mentioned I can't comment on the market, but not naming a price usually turns me off. It looks like you're fishing. Also, make sure you include a link to a lot of good pictures. Good luck. -- inc I agree that sales prices are down, However in Dallas Fort worth, (The fastest growth area in the US), area sales seem to be holding up for the 50's boxes. I have noticed a marked up tick in the amount of amps and receivers I am getting from my customers around the country. One of my customers has a "sock hop" in a middle schools about 3 times a year and is having really good sales in his area. Another places boxes in the cafeteria areas of large corporations, another chooses upscale art galleries. The boxes they choose to restore are all 50's stuff. I guess it has a lot to do with where you are and how you market. You know what they say, Follow the money and when you find it you are there. Or find a large crowd and display your wares there. Rich Klestinez The Amp Man Fort Worth TX. USA |
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On Oct 6, 1:07*am, "J.C." wrote:
I can't believe things are this bad. I've been trying to sell a *fully shopped 1976 Seeburg STD3 Sunstar *since mid summer. It's on 3 different craiglist areas in Maryland and Delaware. It's been on WBOC classifieds.It's been in the Sussex Guide which goes all over Delaware and the eastern shore of Maryland. it's on it's 2nd run in there with bold so it's easy to see and no price mentioned so even someone hoping to get one cheap might call and not 1 single phone call from that listing. I did get a few no shows at the beginning of trying to sell it. Should I ebay it or what? Any ideas? I need to sell it. I don't want to sit on it for several years until the economy turns around if it turns around.I see the local guy fixing and selling Rowe jukes has got desperate and put one on ebay for a much cheaper Buy It Now price than he was in the Sussex Guide with 60 day warranty and extras included. Seems pretty bad if no one even calls or emails. J.C. Mate, with reports of some $1quadrillion ( 1,000,000,000,000,000 ) in various forms of un-repayable bad debt polluting the banking system, There is a good chance that not ANY of us will even be still alive by the time things even start to turn around, even assuming that our lives aren't cut even shorter by the resultant poverty etc. After seeing a documentary this week on the foreign channel (SBS Australia) showing hordes of (former) middle class Americans living out of cars and SUV's, after losing their homes it made my blood run cold. It might just be possible that juke boxes aren't on as many peoples minds right now as a possible purchase. ------------------------------------------------- You could take a look on ebay and see what similar machines are selling for or have sold for in recent times, and try listing it if you can accept the price levels you find. Even if your start price/ reserve is too high, and it doesn't sell if someone wants it they will usually contact you with an offer. Unless you happen to have a shop front in a busy area with large and wealthy population selling jukes etc and them walking in off the street buying this sort of gear, or lots of industry contacts that buy/ trade in this sort of gear, I cant think of many other ways than E bay. I'm sure with persistence you can get rid of it, however if the market will only pay $300, then thats all your likely to get. Dont also make the mistake of (over time) spending $200 in advertising, ebay fees etc to get $500 which still leaves $300 after costs. Mark it down to experience, dont make the same mistake again, and move on Failing this, you can research the parts cost of the machine on Ebay, and gut it and sell off the good bits, if this gets a better result. Probably wont however. I have seen on local ebay, jukes listed over and over and over for a couple of years nearly with silly prices on them. Every time this costs a fee. Please read the other posts carefully - especially Keith. All of them are pretty good advice, and I would advise that you don't dismiss it. ------------- As a final note, you shouldn't really regard manuals and technical books as an expense related just to a single jukebox. If you are going to keep working with these machines (or in the juke business), decent manuals are an investment like tools, that will be useful for your working life in the business. These can always be sold separately on Ebay anyway, should you not be continuing in jukeboxes. |
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So maybe even as a hobby buying and selling jukes may not be
worthwhile unless I buy and sell older more popular jukes. I didn't really want to make a businness out of it but I was hoping to make a little side money in order to buy some expensive repro parts for my much more popular 50s Seeburgs that I am not selling.And the chromework is outragiously expensive especially for a chrome intensive box like a Seeburg R. So what in the world do I do with 5 more unpopular jukes I have in my possession? 2 LPC480,2 PFEA1Us and a SS160 that I can't get a good original front glass for if my life depended on it since Ken Arrnold stopped making repros.They all play as I've did the mech cleanups and got them working but I haven't cleaned up the cabinets.The cosmetics are decent but not perfect. I can sit on 4 of them if I have to because they're in the shed.But 1 PFEA1U and the Sunstar are taking up "living space" in the house and that's the main problem It kinda sucks tht even in this age of flat tvs on the wall that I can still sell a big bulky "oldschool" rear projection bigscreen tv for $400 and get people to spend $300 to $400 fixing them but can't sell a fully shopped 45 rpm jukebox for decent money. Well music is just background these days and the kiddies just download it on the computer to listen to on their ipods while they play XBox,Playstation and Wi on the big tv. Back in the day you bought a record and actually listened to it,most of the time after you heard the song on a jukebox or radio. Even when the economy is bad people ain't gonna do without a tv.the bigger the better and they gotta have those sports and movie channnels.I believe some people would cut back on groceries in order to pay the cable bill. I service a lot of tvs for some pretty well to do people that are rich enough to have big expensive homes a lot of them 2nd or beach homes in this area and for the most part there is nary a jukebox in sight.Not even a turntable or records.So where are all the well to do people that actually like jukeboxes located?,,,lol. I've seen more jukes in everyday people's houses than rich people's houses.And most were boxy 60s or 70s jukes or even an 80s Rowe.One other guy I know and me are probably the only people within 50 miles that has more than 1 juke in the house and he's well into his 70s. J.C. On Oct 6, 7:59�pm, kreed wrote: On Oct 6, 1:07�am, "J.C." wrote: I can't believe things are this bad. I've been trying to sell a �fully shopped 1976 Seeburg STD3 Sunstar �since mid summer. It's on 3 different craiglist areas in Maryland and Delaware. It's been on WBOC classifieds.It's been in the Sussex Guide which goes all over Delaware and the eastern shore of Maryland. it's on it's 2nd run in there with bold so it's easy to see and no price mentioned so even someone hoping to get one cheap might call and not 1 single phone call from that listing. I did get a few no shows at the beginning of trying to sell it. Should I ebay it or what? Any ideas? I need to sell it. I don't want to sit on it for several years until the economy turns around if it turns around.I see the local guy fixing and selling Rowe jukes has got desperate and put one on ebay for a much cheaper Buy It Now price than he was in the Sussex Guide with 60 day warranty and extras included. Seems pretty bad if no one even calls or emails. J.C. Mate, with reports of some $1quadrillion ( 1,000,000,000,000,000 ) in various forms of un-repayable bad debt polluting the banking system, There is a good chance that not ANY of us will even be still alive by the time things even start to turn around, even assuming that our lives aren't cut even shorter by the resultant poverty etc. After seeing a documentary this week on the foreign channel (SBS Australia) showing hordes of (former) middle class Americans living out of cars and SUV's, after losing their homes it made my blood run cold. �It might just be possible that juke boxes aren't on as many peoples minds right now as a possible purchase. ------------------------------------------------- You could take a look on ebay and see what similar machines are selling for or have sold for in recent times, and try listing it if you can accept the price levels you find. Even if your start price/ reserve is too high, and it doesn't sell if someone wants it they will usually contact you with an offer. Unless you happen to have a shop front in a busy area with large and wealthy population selling jukes etc and them walking in off the street buying this sort of gear, or lots of industry contacts that buy/ trade in this sort of gear, I cant think of many other ways than E bay. I'm sure with persistence you can get rid of it, however if the market will only pay $300, then thats all your likely to get. �Dont also make the mistake of (over time) spending $200 in advertising, ebay fees etc to get $500 which still leaves $300 after costs. Mark it down to experience, dont make the same mistake again, and move on Failing this, you can research the parts cost of the machine on Ebay, and gut it and sell off the good bits, if this gets a better result. Probably wont however. I have seen on local ebay, jukes listed over and over and over for a couple of years nearly with silly prices on them. �Every time this costs a fee. Please read the other posts carefully - especially Keith. �All of them are pretty good advice, and I would advise that you don't dismiss it. ------------- As a final note, you shouldn't really regard manuals and technical books as an expense related just to a single jukebox. �If you are going to keep working with these machines (or in the juke business), decent manuals are an investment like tools, �that will be useful for your working life in the business. These can always be sold separately on Ebay anyway, should you not be continuing in jukeboxes.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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J.C.,
You should never expect a hobby to make money. Even a little "side money". Hobbies are for fun. I've never heard a weekend golfer or bowler say that they want to make money from their hobby. There is no way to make much money on jukes that sell for only a few hundred dollars each. Even if you get them for free and have to do some work on them you are only going to make a little bit. That was true about the boxes that you listed for the last 10 years, so it's not like the recent juke market slide has dramatically affected them. I don't know what you think is "decent" money for the jukes that you name, but I've sold a bunch of those same jukes for $500.00 or less in the past 10 yeas and thought that I did ok on them. Then again didn't pay more than $150.00 each for them working with records. You are right. TV's are the thing these days. You can hook a computer to your big screen and use WinCab jukebox software to create a really cool jukebox that has almost unlimited songs, Karaoke, music videos, and everything else! Most people don't even think that you can buy records anymore, and unless you want to send away for them or buy them online, they are right. I don't think that well to do people have wanted jukes in their homes since the 40's or maybe the 50's, when a juke was the coolest record player that you could have. Starting in the 60's there were elaborate home stereo systems that rich people could have that weren't considered as "garish" as a jukebox. Most people who want jukes for their homes have always been middle class "basement bar" guys. Maybe the best thing for you to do is to donate the jukes to a local church or boys / girls club, and take the tax write off for whatever value you decide. I've donated many jukes and pins over the years to charities and it's not a bad way to go. Of course it's not putting a wad of cash in your hand, but it's a good thing to do and it gets you a tax break at the end of the year. I guess the bottom line is that if you are looking to make some money, the juke hobby isn't going to be "worthwhile" for you. Sell the jukes for whatever you can get out of them and move on. All the wishing, hoping, and frustration in the world isn't going to make a $300.00 juke into a $3,000.00 juke. Good luck! "J.C." wrote in message ... So maybe even as a hobby buying and selling jukes may not be worthwhile unless I buy and sell older more popular jukes. I didn't really want to make a businness out of it but I was hoping to make a little side money in order to buy some expensive repro parts for my much more popular 50s Seeburgs that I am not selling.And the chromework is outragiously expensive especially for a chrome intensive box like a Seeburg R. So what in the world do I do with 5 more unpopular jukes I have in my possession? 2 LPC480,2 PFEA1Us and a SS160 that I can't get a good original front glass for if my life depended on it since Ken Arrnold stopped making repros.They all play as I've did the mech cleanups and got them working but I haven't cleaned up the cabinets.The cosmetics are decent but not perfect. I can sit on 4 of them if I have to because they're in the shed.But 1 PFEA1U and the Sunstar are taking up "living space" in the house and that's the main problem It kinda sucks tht even in this age of flat tvs on the wall that I can still sell a big bulky "oldschool" rear projection bigscreen tv for $400 and get people to spend $300 to $400 fixing them but can't sell a fully shopped 45 rpm jukebox for decent money. Well music is just background these days and the kiddies just download it on the computer to listen to on their ipods while they play XBox,Playstation and Wi on the big tv. Back in the day you bought a record and actually listened to it,most of the time after you heard the song on a jukebox or radio. Even when the economy is bad people ain't gonna do without a tv.the bigger the better and they gotta have those sports and movie channnels.I believe some people would cut back on groceries in order to pay the cable bill. I service a lot of tvs for some pretty well to do people that are rich enough to have big expensive homes a lot of them 2nd or beach homes in this area and for the most part there is nary a jukebox in sight.Not even a turntable or records.So where are all the well to do people that actually like jukeboxes located?,,,lol. I've seen more jukes in everyday people's houses than rich people's houses.And most were boxy 60s or 70s jukes or even an 80s Rowe.One other guy I know and me are probably the only people within 50 miles that has more than 1 juke in the house and he's well into his 70s. J.C. On Oct 6, 7:59?pm, kreed wrote: On Oct 6, 1:07?am, "J.C." wrote: I can't believe things are this bad. I've been trying to sell a ?fully shopped 1976 Seeburg STD3 Sunstar ?since mid summer. It's on 3 different craiglist areas in Maryland and Delaware. It's been on WBOC classifieds.It's been in the Sussex Guide which goes all over Delaware and the eastern shore of Maryland. it's on it's 2nd run in there with bold so it's easy to see and no price mentioned so even someone hoping to get one cheap might call and not 1 single phone call from that listing. I did get a few no shows at the beginning of trying to sell it. Should I ebay it or what? Any ideas? I need to sell it. I don't want to sit on it for several years until the economy turns around if it turns around.I see the local guy fixing and selling Rowe jukes has got desperate and put one on ebay for a much cheaper Buy It Now price than he was in the Sussex Guide with 60 day warranty and extras included. Seems pretty bad if no one even calls or emails. J.C. Mate, with reports of some $1quadrillion ( 1,000,000,000,000,000 ) in various forms of un-repayable bad debt polluting the banking system, There is a good chance that not ANY of us will even be still alive by the time things even start to turn around, even assuming that our lives aren't cut even shorter by the resultant poverty etc. After seeing a documentary this week on the foreign channel (SBS Australia) showing hordes of (former) middle class Americans living out of cars and SUV's, after losing their homes it made my blood run cold. ?It might just be possible that juke boxes aren't on as many peoples minds right now as a possible purchase. ------------------------------------------------- You could take a look on ebay and see what similar machines are selling for or have sold for in recent times, and try listing it if you can accept the price levels you find. Even if your start price/ reserve is too high, and it doesn't sell if someone wants it they will usually contact you with an offer. Unless you happen to have a shop front in a busy area with large and wealthy population selling jukes etc and them walking in off the street buying this sort of gear, or lots of industry contacts that buy/ trade in this sort of gear, I cant think of many other ways than E bay. I'm sure with persistence you can get rid of it, however if the market will only pay $300, then thats all your likely to get. ?Dont also make the mistake of (over time) spending $200 in advertising, ebay fees etc to get $500 which still leaves $300 after costs. Mark it down to experience, dont make the same mistake again, and move on Failing this, you can research the parts cost of the machine on Ebay, and gut it and sell off the good bits, if this gets a better result. Probably wont however. I have seen on local ebay, jukes listed over and over and over for a couple of years nearly with silly prices on them. ?Every time this costs a fee. Please read the other posts carefully - especially Keith. ?All of them are pretty good advice, and I would advise that you don't dismiss it. ------------- As a final note, you shouldn't really regard manuals and technical books as an expense related just to a single jukebox. ?If you are going to keep working with these machines (or in the juke business), decent manuals are an investment like tools, ?that will be useful for your working life in the business. These can always be sold separately on Ebay anyway, should you not be continuing in jukeboxes.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Oct 8, 6:17�am, "Keith Stelter"
wrote: J.C., You should never expect a hobby to make money. Even a little "side money".. Hobbies are for fun. I've never heard a weekend golfer or bowler say that they want to make money from their hobby. There is no way to make much money on jukes that sell for only a few hundred dollars each. Even if you get them for free and have to do some work on them you are only going to make a little bit. That was true about the boxes that you listed for the last 10 years, so it's not like the recent �juke market slide has dramatically affected them. I don't know what you think is "decent" money for the jukes that you name, but I've sold a bunch of those same jukes for $500.00 or less in the past 10 yeas and thought that I did ok on them. Then again didn't pay more than $150.00 each for them working with records. You are right. TV's are the thing these days. You can hook a computer to your big screen and use WinCab jukebox software to create a really cool jukebox that has almost unlimited songs, Karaoke, music videos, and everything else! Most people don't even think that you can buy records anymore, and unless you want to send away for them or buy them online, they are right. I don't think that well to do people have wanted jukes in their homes since the 40's or maybe the 50's, when a juke was the coolest record player that you could have. Starting in the 60's there were elaborate home stereo systems that rich people could have that weren't considered as "garish" as a jukebox. Most people who want jukes for their homes have always been middle class "basement bar" guys. Maybe the best thing for you to do is to donate the jukes to a local church or boys / girls club, and take the tax write off for whatever value you decide. I've donated many jukes and pins over the years to charities and it's not a bad way to go. Of course it's not putting a wad of cash in your hand, but it's a good thing to do and it gets you a tax break at the end of the year. |
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On Oct 9, 10:35*pm, "J.C." wrote:
On Oct 8, 6:17 am, "Keith Stelter" wrote: J.C., You should never expect a hobby to make money. Even a little "side money". Hobbies are for fun. I've never heard a weekend golfer or bowler say that they want to make money from their hobby. There is no way to make much money on jukes that sell for only a few hundred dollars each. Even if you get them for free and have to do some work on them you are only going to make a little bit. That was true about the boxes that you listed for the last 10 years, so it's not like the recent juke market slide has dramatically affected them. I don't know what you think is "decent" money for the jukes that you name, but I've sold a bunch of those same jukes for $500.00 or less in the past 10 yeas and thought that I did ok on them. Then again didn't pay more than $150.00 each for them working with records. You are right. TV's are the thing these days. You can hook a computer to your big screen and use WinCab jukebox software to create a really cool jukebox that has almost unlimited songs, Karaoke, music videos, and everything else! Most people don't even think that you can buy records anymore, and unless you want to send away for them or buy them online, they are right. I don't think that well to do people have wanted jukes in their homes since the 40's or maybe the 50's, when a juke was the coolest record player that you could have. Starting in the 60's there were elaborate home stereo systems that rich people could have that weren't considered as "garish" as a jukebox. Most people who want jukes for their homes have always been middle class "basement bar" guys. Maybe the best thing for you to do is to donate the jukes to a local church or boys / girls club, and take the tax write off for whatever value you decide. I've donated many jukes and pins over the years to charities and it's not a bad way to go. Of course it's not putting a wad of cash in your hand, but it's a good thing to do and it gets you a tax break at the end of the year. I guess the bottom line is that if you are looking to make some money, the juke hobby isn't going to be "worthwhile" for you. Sell the jukes for whatever you can get out of them and move on. All the wishing, hoping, and frustration in the world isn't going to make a $300.00 juke into a $3,000.00 juke. Good luck! "J.C." wrote in message .... So maybe even as a hobby buying and selling jukes may not be worthwhile unless I buy and sell older more popular jukes. I didn't really want to make a businness out of it but I was hoping to make a little side money in order to buy some expensive repro parts for my much more popular 50s Seeburgs that I am not selling.And the chromework is outragiously expensive especially for a chrome intensive box like a Seeburg R. So what in the world do I do with 5 more unpopular jukes I have in my possession? 2 LPC480,2 PFEA1Us and a SS160 that I can't get a good original front glass for if my life depended on it since Ken Arrnold stopped making repros.They all play as I've did the mech cleanups and got them working but I haven't cleaned up the cabinets.The cosmetics are decent but not perfect. I can sit on 4 of them if I have to because they're in the shed.But 1 PFEA1U and the Sunstar are taking up "living space" in the house and that's the main problem It kinda sucks tht even in this age of flat tvs on the wall that I can still sell a big bulky "oldschool" rear projection bigscreen tv for $400 and get people to spend $300 to $400 fixing them but can't sell a fully shopped 45 rpm jukebox for decent money. Well music is just background these days and the kiddies just download it on the computer to listen to on their ipods while they play XBox,Playstation and Wi on the big tv. Back in the day you bought a record and actually listened to it,most of the time after you heard the song on a jukebox or radio. Even when the economy is bad people ain't gonna do without a tv.the bigger the better and they gotta have those sports and movie channnels.I believe some people would cut back on groceries in order to pay the cable bill. I service a lot of tvs for some pretty well to do people that are rich enough to have big expensive homes a lot of them 2nd or beach homes in this area and for the most part there is nary a jukebox in sight.Not even a turntable or records.So where are all the well to do people that actually like jukeboxes located?,,,lol. I've seen more jukes in everyday people's houses than rich people's houses.And most were boxy 60s or 70s jukes or even an 80s Rowe.One other guy I know and me are probably the only people within 50 miles that has more than 1 juke in the house and he's well into his 70s. J.C. On Oct 6, 7:59?pm, kreed wrote: On Oct 6, 1:07?am, "J.C." wrote: I can't believe things are this bad. I've been trying to sell a ?fully shopped 1976 Seeburg STD3 Sunstar ?since mid summer. It's on 3 different craiglist areas in Maryland and Delaware. It's been on WBOC classifieds.It's been in the Sussex Guide which goes all over Delaware and the eastern shore of Maryland. it's on it's 2nd run in there with bold so it's easy to see and no price mentioned so even someone hoping to get one cheap might call and not 1 single phone call from that listing. I did get a few no shows at the beginning of trying to sell it. Should I ebay it or what? Any ideas? I need to sell it. I don't want to sit on it for several years until the economy turns around if it turns around.I see the local guy fixing and selling Rowe jukes has got desperate and put one on ebay for a much cheaper Buy It Now price than he was in the Sussex Guide with 60 day warranty and extras included.. Seems pretty bad if no one even calls or emails. J.C. Mate, with reports of some $1quadrillion ( 1,000,000,000,000,000 ) in various forms of un-repayable bad debt polluting the banking system, There is a good chance that not ANY of us will even be still alive by the time things even start to turn around, even assuming that our lives aren't cut even shorter by the resultant poverty etc. After seeing a documentary this week on the foreign channel (SBS Australia) showing hordes of (former) middle class Americans living out of cars and SUV's, after losing their homes it made my blood run cold. ?It might just be possible that juke boxes aren't on as many peoples minds right now as a possible purchase. ------------------------------------------------- You could take a look on ebay and see what similar machines are selling for or have sold for in recent times, and try listing it if you can accept the price levels you find. Even if your start price/ reserve is too high, and it doesn't sell if someone wants it they will usually contact you with an offer. Unless you happen to have a shop front in a busy area with large and wealthy population selling jukes etc and them walking in off the street buying this sort of gear, or lots of industry contacts that buy/ trade in this sort of gear, I cant think of many other ways than E bay. I'm sure with persistence you can get rid of it, however if the market will only pay $300, then thats all your likely to get. ?Dont also make the mistake of (over time) spending $200 in advertising, ebay fees etc to get $500 which still leaves $300 after costs. Mark it down to experience, dont make the same mistake again, and move on Failing this, you can research the parts cost of the machine on Ebay, and gut it and sell off the good bits, if this gets a better result. Probably wont however. I have seen on local ebay, jukes listed over and over and over for a couple of years nearly with silly prices on them. ?Every time this costs a fee. Please read the other posts carefully - especially Keith. ?All of them are pretty good advice, and I would advise that you don't dismiss it. ------------- As a final note, you shouldn't really regard manuals and technical books as an expense related just to a single jukebox. ?If you are going to keep working with these machines (or in the juke business), decent manuals are an investment like tools, ?that will be useful for your working life in the business. These can always be sold separately on Ebay anyway, should you not be continuing in jukeboxes.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I didn't say I was trying to get $3000 out of those jukes. I just Thought $300 *was on the low side especially the Sunstar which I had paid $150 for including the manual which he had already bought.At least for the others I don't have to buy $50 in bulbs.Most even still have working flourescent tubes in them.I paid much less for the others but I did get them with a rental truck that ate $200 in gas to get them.My Ford Ranger couldn't handle 5 jukes from Roanoke Virginia all at once.I thought $500 to $600 was reasonable since the guy in Dover,DE was selling 80s Rowes for $1500 and a guy down the street friom my workplace sold a bunch of similar jukes for $500 a piece in the late 80s.I know 2 people that had one. One still has hers.The other lady traded for an 80s Rowe when her Seeburg SS 160 quit.I may has well have left them where they were at than let my good jukes sit while I bought and worked on these for $300 a piece or less. OWCH ! Its a lesson to remember. Most of us have done it, and been burnt at some time. I don't think there is a better way to learn than through experience (but it can be expensive) The trick (with anything) is to do your best to win more than you lose. With the rest of it, I cant add much more than Keith, but if you enjoy rebuilding and working on Jukes, Pinball, Cars, TV, or anything else and can afford the hobby, then go for it ! If you happen to make money, then that's just a bonus. If you want to make money out of it, I think you have to thoroughly research Ebay (and here) to find out what models are selling for a hot price, then try and find them for less, or project boxes and fix them. As one of our teachers told us some 30 years back, "even if are right only 51% of the time you can go to the stock market and make a killing. (Not that I would recommend going anywhere near the stock market at the moment) |
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Is the jukebox market dead?
"J.C." wrote in message ... On Oct 8, 6:17?am, "Keith Stelter" wrote: J.C., You should never expect a hobby to make money. Even a little "side money". Hobbies are for fun. I've never heard a weekend golfer or bowler say that they want to make money from their hobby. There is no way to make much money on jukes that sell for only a few hundred dollars each. Even if you get them for free and have to do some work on them you are only going to make a little bit. That was true about the boxes that you listed for the last 10 years, so it's not like the recent ?juke market slide has dramatically affected them. I don't know what you think is "decent" money for the jukes that you name, but I've sold a bunch of those same jukes for $500.00 or less in the past 10 yeas and thought that I did ok on them. Then again didn't pay more than $150.00 each for them working with records. You are right. TV's are the thing these days. You can hook a computer to your big screen and use WinCab jukebox software to create a really cool jukebox that has almost unlimited songs, Karaoke, music videos, and everything else! Most people don't even think that you can buy records anymore, and unless you want to send away for them or buy them online, they are right. I don't think that well to do people have wanted jukes in their homes since the 40's or maybe the 50's, when a juke was the coolest record player that you could have. Starting in the 60's there were elaborate home stereo systems that rich people could have that weren't considered as "garish" as a jukebox. Most people who want jukes for their homes have always been middle class "basement bar" guys. Maybe the best thing for you to do is to donate the jukes to a local church or boys / girls club, and take the tax write off for whatever value you decide. I've donated many jukes and pins over the years to charities and it's not a bad way to go. Of course it's not putting a wad of cash in your hand, but it's a good thing to do and it gets you a tax break at the end of the year. I guess the bottom line is that if you are looking to make some money, the juke hobby isn't going to be "worthwhile" for you. Sell the jukes for whatever you can get out of them and move on. All the wishing, hoping, and frustration in the world isn't going to make a $300.00 juke into a $3,000.00 juke. Good luck! "J.C." wrote in message ... So maybe even as a hobby buying and selling jukes may not be worthwhile unless I buy and sell older more popular jukes. I didn't really want to make a businness out of it but I was hoping to make a little side money in order to buy some expensive repro parts for my much more popular 50s Seeburgs that I am not selling.And the chromework is outragiously expensive especially for a chrome intensive box like a Seeburg R. So what in the world do I do with 5 more unpopular jukes I have in my possession? ?2 LPC480,2 PFEA1Us and a SS160 that I can't get a good original front glass for if my life depended on it since Ken Arrnold stopped making repros.They all play as I've did the mech cleanups and got them working but I haven't cleaned up the cabinets.The cosmetics are decent but not perfect. I can sit on 4 of them if I have to because they're in the ?shed.But 1 PFEA1U and the Sunstar are taking up "living space" in the house and that's the main problem It kinda sucks tht even in this age of flat tvs on the wall that I can still sell a big bulky "oldschool" ?rear projection bigscreen tv for $400 ?and get people to spend $300 to $400 fixing them but can't sell a fully shopped 45 rpm jukebox for decent money. Well music is just background these days and the kiddies just download it on the computer to listen to on their ipods while they play XBox,Playstation and Wi on the big tv. Back in the day you bought a record and actually listened to it,most of the time after you heard the song on a jukebox or radio. Even when the economy is bad people ain't gonna do without a tv.the bigger the better and they gotta have those sports and movie channnels.I believe some people would cut back on groceries in order to pay the cable bill. I service a lot of tvs for some pretty well to do people that are rich enough to have big expensive homes a lot of them 2nd or ?beach homes in this area and for the most part there is nary a jukebox in sight.Not even a turntable or records.So where are all the well to do people that actually like jukeboxes located?,,,lol. I've seen more jukes in everyday people's houses than rich people's houses.And most were boxy 60s or 70s jukes or even an 80s Rowe.One other guy ?I know and me are probably the only people within 50 miles that has more than 1 juke in the house and he's well into his 70s. J.C. On Oct 6, 7:59?pm, kreed wrote: On Oct 6, 1:07?am, "J.C." wrote: I can't believe things are this bad. I've been trying to sell a ?fully shopped 1976 Seeburg STD3 Sunstar ?since mid summer. It's on 3 different craiglist areas in Maryland and Delaware. It's been on WBOC classifieds.It's been in the Sussex Guide which goes all over Delaware and the eastern shore of Maryland. it's on it's 2nd run in there with bold so it's easy to see and no price mentioned so even someone hoping to get one cheap might call and not 1 single phone call from that listing. I did get a few no shows at the beginning of trying to sell it. Should I ebay it or what? Any ideas? I need to sell it. I don't want to sit on it for several years until the economy turns around if it turns around.I see the local guy fixing and selling Rowe jukes has got desperate and put one on ebay for a much cheaper Buy It Now price than he was in the Sussex Guide with 60 day warranty and extras included. Seems pretty bad if no one even calls or emails. J.C. Mate, with reports of some $1quadrillion ( 1,000,000,000,000,000 ) in various forms of un-repayable bad debt polluting the banking system, There is a good chance that not ANY of us will even be still alive by the time things even start to turn around, even assuming that our lives aren't cut even shorter by the resultant poverty etc. After seeing a documentary this week on the foreign channel (SBS Australia) showing hordes of (former) middle class Americans living out of cars and SUV's, after losing their homes it made my blood run cold. ?It might just be possible that juke boxes aren't on as many peoples minds right now as a possible purchase. ------------------------------------------------- You could take a look on ebay and see what similar machines are selling for or have sold for in recent times, and try listing it if you can accept the price levels you find. Even if your start price/ reserve is too high, and it doesn't sell if someone wants it they will usually contact you with an offer. Unless you happen to have a shop front in a busy area with large and wealthy population selling jukes etc and them walking in off the street buying this sort of gear, or lots of industry contacts that buy/ trade in this sort of gear, I cant think of many other ways than E bay. I'm sure with persistence you can get rid of it, however if the market will only pay $300, then thats all your likely to get. ?Dont also make the mistake of (over time) spending $200 in advertising, ebay fees etc to get $500 which still leaves $300 after costs. Mark it down to experience, dont make the same mistake again, and move on Failing this, you can research the parts cost of the machine on Ebay, and gut it and sell off the good bits, if this gets a better result. Probably wont however. I have seen on local ebay, jukes listed over and over and over for a couple of years nearly with silly prices on them. ?Every time this costs a fee. Please read the other posts carefully - especially Keith. ?All of them are pretty good advice, and I would advise that you don't dismiss it. ------------- As a final note, you shouldn't really regard manuals and technical books as an expense related just to a single jukebox. ?If you are going to keep working with these machines (or in the juke business), decent manuals are an investment like tools, ?that will be useful for your working life in the business. These can always be sold separately on Ebay anyway, should you not be continuing in jukeboxes.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I didn't say I was trying to get $3000 out of those jukes. I just Thought $300 was on the low side especially the Sunstar which I had paid $150 for including the manual which he had already bought.At least for the others I don't have to buy $50 in bulbs.Most even still have working flourescent tubes in them.I paid much less for the others but I did get them with a rental truck that ate $200 in gas to get them.My Ford Ranger couldn't handle 5 jukes from Roanoke Virginia all at once.I thought $500 to $600 was reasonable since the guy in Dover,DE was selling 80s Rowes for $1500 and a guy down the street friom my workplace sold a bunch of similar jukes for $500 a piece in the late 80s.I know 2 people that had one. One still has hers.The other lady traded for an 80s Rowe when her Seeburg SS 160 quit.I may has well have left them where they were at than let my good jukes sit while I bought and worked on these for $300 a piece or less. You can't use prices from 20 weeks ago as a reference, let alone 20 years ago. Yes, you should have just left them where they were. Chalk it up as a life lesson. If someone was selling 80's Rowe boxes for $1,500.00 each recently they must have been CD boxes with a guarantee or something. If not he lucked into some very uneducated people! For the $200.00 you spent in gas you could have bought a small trailer from Harbor Freight that would have allowed you to haul the 5 jukes using your truck and the trailer. Once again I have to say that it doesn't matter how much you paid or how much you worked on them or how much time and gas money you spent to get them, they are only worth what someone will pay you for them. Maybe around Christmas you can get a little more for them, but right now I'd say that $300.00 each is about it. Especially since you said that the Sunstar has a cracked upper plastic. |
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Is the jukebox market dead?
On Oct 9, 10:31�pm, "Keith Stelter"
wrote: "J.C." wrote in message ... On Oct 8, 6:17?am, "Keith Stelter" wrote: J.C., You should never expect a hobby to make money. Even a little "side money". Hobbies are for fun. I've never heard a weekend golfer or bowler say that they want to make money from their hobby. There is no way to make much money on jukes that sell for only a few hundred dollars each. Even if you get them for free and have to do some work on them you are only going to make a little bit. That was true about the boxes that you listed for the last 10 years, so it's not like the recent ?juke market slide has dramatically affected them. I don't know what you think is "decent" money for the jukes that you name, but I've sold a bunch of those same jukes for $500.00 or less in the past 10 yeas and thought that I did ok on them. Then again didn't pay more than $150.00 each for them working with records. You are right. TV's are the thing these days. You can hook a computer to your big screen and use WinCab jukebox software to create a really cool jukebox that has almost unlimited songs, Karaoke, music videos, and everything else! Most people don't even think that you can buy records anymore, and unless you want to send away for them or buy them online, they are right. I don't think that well to do people have wanted jukes in their homes since the 40's or maybe the 50's, when a juke was the coolest record player that you could have. Starting in the 60's there were elaborate home stereo systems that rich people could have that weren't considered as "garish" as a jukebox. Most people who want jukes for their homes have always been middle class "basement bar" guys. Maybe the best thing for you to do is to donate the jukes to a local church or boys / girls club, and take the tax write off for whatever value you decide. I've donated many jukes and pins over the years to charities and it's not a bad way to go. Of course it's not putting a wad of cash in your hand, but it's a good thing to do and it gets you a tax break at the end of the year. I guess the bottom line is that if you are looking to make some money, the juke hobby isn't going to be "worthwhile" for you. Sell the jukes for whatever you can get out of them and move on. All the wishing, hoping, and frustration in the world isn't going to make a $300.00 juke into a $3,000.00 juke. Good luck! "J.C." wrote in message .... So maybe even as a hobby buying and selling jukes may not be worthwhile unless I buy and sell older more popular jukes. I didn't really want to make a businness out of it but I was hoping to make a little side money in order to buy some expensive repro parts for my much more popular 50s Seeburgs that I am not selling.And the chromework is outragiously expensive especially for a chrome intensive box like a Seeburg R. So what in the world do I do with 5 more unpopular jukes I have in my possession? ?2 LPC480,2 PFEA1Us and a SS160 that I can't get a good original front glass for if my life depended on it since Ken Arrnold stopped making repros.They all play as I've did the mech cleanups and got them working but I haven't cleaned up the cabinets.The cosmetics are decent but not perfect. I can sit on 4 of them if I have to because they're in the ?shed.But 1 PFEA1U and the Sunstar are taking up "living space" in the house and that's the main problem It kinda sucks tht even in this age of flat tvs on the wall that I can still sell a big bulky "oldschool" ?rear projection bigscreen tv for $400 ?and get people to spend $300 to $400 fixing them but can't sell a fully shopped 45 rpm jukebox for decent money. Well music is just background these days and the kiddies just download it on the computer to listen to on their ipods while they play XBox,Playstation and Wi on the big tv. Back in the day you bought a record and actually listened to it,most of the time after you heard the song on a jukebox or radio. Even when the economy is bad people ain't gonna do without a tv.the bigger the better and they gotta have those sports and movie channnels.I believe some people would cut back on groceries in order to pay the cable bill. I service a lot of tvs for some pretty well to do people that are rich enough to have big expensive homes a lot of them 2nd or ?beach homes in this area and for the most part there is nary a jukebox in sight.Not even a turntable or records.So where are all the well to do people that actually like jukeboxes located?,,,lol. I've seen more jukes in everyday people's houses than rich people's houses.And most were boxy 60s or 70s jukes or even an 80s Rowe.One other guy ?I know and me are probably the only people within 50 miles that has more than 1 juke in the house and he's well into his 70s. J.C. On Oct 6, 7:59?pm, kreed wrote: On Oct 6, 1:07?am, "J.C." wrote: I can't believe things are this bad. I've been trying to sell a ?fully shopped 1976 Seeburg STD3 Sunstar ?since mid summer. It's on 3 different craiglist areas in Maryland and Delaware. It's been on WBOC classifieds.It's been in the Sussex Guide which goes all over Delaware and the eastern shore of Maryland. it's on it's 2nd run in there with bold so it's easy to see and no price mentioned so even someone hoping to get one cheap might call and not 1 single phone call from that listing. I did get a few no shows at the beginning of trying to sell it. Should I ebay it or what? Any ideas? I need to sell it. I don't want to sit on it for several years until the economy turns around if it turns around.I see the local guy fixing and selling Rowe jukes has got desperate and put one on ebay for a much cheaper Buy It Now price than he was in the Sussex Guide with 60 day warranty and extras included.. Seems pretty bad if no one even calls or emails. J.C. Mate, with reports of some $1quadrillion ( 1,000,000,000,000,000 ) in various forms of un-repayable bad debt polluting the banking system, There is a good chance that not ANY of us will even be still alive by the time things even start to turn around, even assuming that our lives aren't cut even shorter by the resultant poverty etc. After seeing a documentary this week on the foreign channel (SBS Australia) showing hordes of (former) middle class Americans living out of cars and SUV's, after losing their homes it made my blood run cold. ?It might just be possible that juke boxes aren't on as many peoples minds right now as a possible purchase. ------------------------------------------------- You could take a look on ebay and see what similar machines are selling for or have sold for in recent times, and try listing it if you can accept the price levels you find. Even if your start price/ reserve is too high, and it doesn't sell if someone wants it they will usually contact you with an offer. Unless you happen to have a shop front in a busy area with large and wealthy population selling jukes etc and them walking in off the street buying this sort of gear, or lots of industry contacts that buy/ trade in this sort of gear, I cant think of many other ways than E bay. I'm sure with persistence you can get rid of it, however if the market will only pay $300, then thats all your likely to get. ?Dont also make the mistake of (over time) spending $200 in advertising, ebay fees etc to get $500 which still leaves $300 after costs. Mark it down to experience, dont make the same mistake again, and move on Failing this, you can research the parts cost of the machine on Ebay, and gut it and sell off the good bits, if this gets a better result. Probably wont however. I have seen on local ebay, jukes listed over and over and over for a couple of years nearly with silly prices on them. ?Every time this costs a fee. Please read the other posts carefully - especially Keith. ?All of them are pretty good advice, and I would advise that you don't dismiss it. ------------- As a final note, you shouldn't really regard manuals and technical books as an expense related just to a single jukebox. ?If you are going to keep working with these machines (or in the juke business), decent manuals are an investment like tools, ?that will be useful for your working life in the business. These can always be sold separately on Ebay anyway, should you not be continuing in jukeboxes.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I didn't say I was trying to get $3000 out of those jukes. I just Thought $300 �was on the low side especially the Sunstar which I had paid $150 for including the manual which he had already bought.At least for the others I don't have to buy $50 in bulbs.Most even still have working flourescent tubes in them.I paid much less for the others but I did get them with a rental truck that ate $200 in gas to get them.My Ford Ranger couldn't handle 5 jukes from Roanoke Virginia all at once.I thought $500 to $600 was reasonable since the guy in Dover,DE was selling 80s Rowes for $1500 and a guy down the street friom my workplace sold a bunch of similar jukes for $500 a piece in the late 80s.I know 2 people that had one. One still has hers.The other lady traded for an 80s Rowe when her Seeburg SS 160 quit.I may has well have left them where they were at than let my good jukes sit while I bought and worked on these for $300 a piece or less. You can't use prices from 20 weeks ago as a reference, let alone 20 years ago. Yes, you should have just left them where they were. Chalk it up as a life lesson. If someone was selling 80's Rowe boxes for $1,500.00 each recently they must have been CD boxes with a guarantee or something. If not he lucked into some very uneducated people! For the $200.00 you spent in gas you could have bought a small �trailer from Harbor Freight that would �have allowed you to haul the 5 jukes using your truck and the trailer. Once again I have to say that it doesn't matter how much you paid or how much you worked on them or how much time and gas money you spent to get them, they are only worth what someone will pay you for them. Maybe around Christmas you can get a little more for them, but right now I'd say that $300.00 each is about it. Especially since you said that the Sunstar has a cracked upper plastic. Not with my Ranger.We''re talking about a 4 cylinder engine pickup going over a very hilly area.I'm sure the transmission would have died if it even had enough power to handle almost a 2000 pound load plus the trailer weight. I bought those 5 jukes 5 years ago and never got around to finishing them.Too many other things(work,work and more work) to do.Now they're probably worth less than I paid for them.It's a shame when things go down in value before you have time to get them ready for sale.Not much hobby time when you work 6 days a week and rarely get in the house before 7 in the evening. On the Sunstar its not worth it to pay Durfee whatever ridiculous price he wants for a nice uncracked plastic if it only increases the value $50 or less.Some people are willing to accept cosmetic imperfections if it works 100%.The lady that traded her SS160 for a Rowe has a cracked dome casting but she's happy.It works reliably and it sounds great. |
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