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Grandpa and Dakota,
None of you are the culprits, and neither are those who have contacted me at my yahoo-address. When it happens that an irate troll harrasses me in a closed circuit on a private email-address not published anywhere on Usenet or the Internet, and this *only* happens when I have sent a message on Usenet, the perpetrator is bound to be someone who has my private email-address. This has been given only to those whom I considered friends. But these happenings have revealed that at least one of them is not a friend, and I am ready to go *very* far to find that person. It has been suggested by many that the calamity has been caused by a Swen-virus or similar. If this would be the case I would receive "regular" spam, but I don't. My return address on Usenet is invalid, and the offender uses my private address not known to the public. As said, his junk appeared *only* when I have posted on Usenet, and not in normal showers from regular spammers. To find the offender it is not enough to yell out on Usenet "stop spamming me!". I had to go other ways, and one of them was to provoke people to contact me on my Yahoo-address to narrow down the offender. I did well. So many people, both from this group and others that I read, have contacted me, so by simple exclusion methods I can now concentrate my search among very few people. In a few more days I will know for sure who that "friend" was, and he/she can be sure to be killfiled for eternity, both on my Usenet-account and my private accounts. My private address is still not public, and my return address on Usenet still not valid. If he/she wants to spam me again, so be it, but his junk will go to my Yahoo-address, where spam-guard is very efficient, so I will never see his crap. Thank you, Dakota and Grandpa, and everybody else for your patience :-) -- Ann Mette Heindorff (Mette) return address invalid -- contact me through heindorffstamps at yahoo dot dk http://slaniastamps.school.dk http://arthistory1.school.dk http://danish-christmasseals.school.dk Dakota wrote in message om... Mette: I'd like to think that I'm not the culprit - but you've put many of us on the defensive. Could we (individually) be the guilty party? Your post is a sort of "shotgun" offense/defense at all of us that may have shared private posts with you in the past. You only state that you 'think' you know who the guilty party is (if there is indeed a guilty party). But your post seems to indicate nobody and yet everybody. Guilt by association is a heavy load to bear. I know how to find your private e-mail address - I think - but be assured that I'm going to be very hesitant in the future to make any sort of contact with you. And I think that many here will feel the same! Dakota |
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what a waste of bandspace.... kk
"Mette" wrote in message ... Tom, I have just answered your email in private but it bounced back. Anyhow, I know it's not you Buddy :-) Mette Tom Loepp wrote in message ... Mette, "It ain't me, babe. It ain't me your looking for, babe..." (that's from a song) but in all seriousness, I'm igorant of the know-how of such dastardly deeds. I checked my address book and I've been very lax in adding addresses to it but I do have personal emails from you so I become a suspect in my own mind. I do keep all emails and very seldom cull through them to delete unwanted information. I run a Mac but probably am not immune to mole-type entities that may grab stuff off of my computer. I notice that in my spamblocker, I receive spam from unusual but familiar names as I know many people from many countries. I know an Ake, Kai, Lucien, Deirdre, etc. and receive spam with these names on them. I've even noticed similarities in posts that I've made to the newsgroup and subject titles of spam. I receive spam with similar subjects to sites that I've visited which makes me think that cookies do more than go with milk. When I buy real estate, I receive mortgage spam. When I buy electronics, I receive spam about the exact same products. Everytime I buy printer ink I get printer ink spam. So there is much evil afoot out there ready and able to rip asunder fragile friendships. Humans relegate themselves to partnership with supremacy but are more akin to the lowly virus, sad as it is (viruses are quite supreme, really). I'm really going to miss something, not seeing the future of this fine planet. Yours in etherwax, Tom Mette wrote: It appears that some jerk is abusing my very private email address, that is not published anywhere on the Internet, neither on websites nor in newsgroups, nor eBay, nor PayPal, nor elsewhere. Thus, spam is now constantly generating on that address! This can only mean that I myself have given my address to someone whom I considered a friend, but who seems to have betrayed my confidence. Whoever you are, be notified now that the address in question is closed, and that I have -- again -- another private address, strictly reserved for private correspondence. So far anyone can reach me at my Yahoo-address heindorffstamps at yahoo dot dk -- Ann Mette Heindorff (Mette) Return address invalid -- contact me at heindorffstamps at yahoo dot dk http://slaniastamps.school.dk http://danish-christmasseals.school.dk -- Tom Loepp Email: Website: http://loepp.home.mindspring.com/tom/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 08/01/2004 |
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"Mette" wrote in message
... Grandpa and Dakota, None of you are the culprits, and neither are those who have contacted me at my yahoo-address. snip To find the offender it is not enough to yell out on Usenet "stop spamming me!". I had to go other ways, and one of them was to provoke people to contact me on my Yahoo-address to narrow down the offender. I did well. So many people, both from this group and others that I read, have contacted me, so by simple exclusion methods I can now concentrate my search among very few people. In a few more days I will know for sure who that "friend" was, and he/she can be sure to be killfiled for eternity, both on my Usenet-account and my private accounts. snip Thank you, Dakota and Grandpa, and everybody else for your patience :-) -- Ann Mette Heindorff (Mette) "Tom, I have just answered your email in private but it bounced back. Anyhow, I know it's not you Buddy :-) Mette" Three of RCSD participants (Tom, Dakota, Grandpa) aren't on the black list anymore. The work progresses, slowly but efficiently. BTW, the abuse game isn't still over, because other 30 or more permanents here still have to somehow prove that they aren't the "culprits". Maybe a better place for us would be a Danish Guaxxxxxmo. Some suggestions for a proper place, because I'm not familiar with Denmark's geography? :-) Nevertheless we stay patient, isn't it? Victor Manta --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Romania Shown by Its Stamps: http://marci-postale.com Communism on Stamps: http://www.values.ch/Communism/ Remove "um" from the e-mail address to reply --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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"Victor Manta" wrote in message
... "Mette" wrote in message ... Grandpa and Dakota, None of you are the culprits, and neither are those who have contacted me at my yahoo-address. snip To find the offender it is not enough to yell out on Usenet "stop spamming me!". I had to go other ways, and one of them was to provoke people to contact me on my Yahoo-address to narrow down the offender. I did well. So many people, both from this group and others that I read, have contacted me, so by simple exclusion methods I can now concentrate my search among very few people. In a few more days I will know for sure who that "friend" was, and he/she can be sure to be killfiled for eternity, both on my Usenet-account and my private accounts. snip Thank you, Dakota and Grandpa, and everybody else for your patience :-) -- Ann Mette Heindorff (Mette) "Tom, I have just answered your email in private but it bounced back. Anyhow, I know it's not you Buddy :-) Mette" Three of RCSD participants (Tom, Dakota, Grandpa) aren't on the black list anymore. The work progresses, slowly but efficiently. BTW, the abuse game isn't still over, because other 30 or more permanents here still have to somehow prove that they aren't the "culprits". Maybe a better place for us would be a Danish Guaxxxxxmo. Some suggestions for a proper place, because I'm not familiar with Denmark's geography? :-) Nevertheless we stay patient, isn't it? Victor Manta I don't think Victor needs to keep stirring this pot and his references to a prison camp are over the top. I am content for Mette to do whatever is necessary to identify the person who is plaguing her. Even although she felt it necessary (desirable?) to inform this NG of her problem I do not see how that means that 30 or more NG members are under any obligation to `prove' (Victor's word) their innocence. Douglas |
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Douglas Myall wrote:
"Victor Manta" wrote in message ... "Mette" wrote in message ... Grandpa and Dakota, None of you are the culprits, and neither are those who have contacted me at my yahoo-address. snip To find the offender it is not enough to yell out on Usenet "stop spamming me!". I had to go other ways, and one of them was to provoke people to contact me on my Yahoo-address to narrow down the offender. I did well. So many people, both from this group and others that I read, have contacted me, so by simple exclusion methods I can now concentrate my search among very few people. In a few more days I will know for sure who that "friend" was, and he/she can be sure to be killfiled for eternity, both on my Usenet-account and my private accounts. snip Thank you, Dakota and Grandpa, and everybody else for your patience :-) -- Ann Mette Heindorff (Mette) "Tom, I have just answered your email in private but it bounced back. Anyhow, I know it's not you Buddy :-) Mette" Three of RCSD participants (Tom, Dakota, Grandpa) aren't on the black list anymore. The work progresses, slowly but efficiently. BTW, the abuse game isn't still over, because other 30 or more permanents here still have to somehow prove that they aren't the "culprits". Maybe a better place for us would be a Danish Guaxxxxxmo. Some suggestions for a proper place, because I'm not familiar with Denmark's geography? :-) Nevertheless we stay patient, isn't it? Victor Manta I don't think Victor needs to keep stirring this pot and his references to a prison camp are over the top. I am content for Mette to do whatever is necessary to identify the person who is plaguing her. Even although she felt it necessary (desirable?) to inform this NG of her problem I do not see how that means that 30 or more NG members are under any obligation to `prove' (Victor's word) their innocence. Douglas I think the problem is that Damark is a cold and loneley place this time of year and some people need to get attention any way they can. |
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Le Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:59:09 +0100, dans rec.collecting.stamps.discuss,
"Victor Manta" a écrit : BTW, the abuse game isn't still over, because other 30 or more permanents here still have to somehow prove that they aren't the "culprits". And don't forget the crowd of lurkers, who say nothing but think what they think. Maybe a better place for us would be a Danish Guaxxxxxmo. Some suggestions for a proper place, because I'm not familiar with Denmark's geography? :-) Some place in the far north of Greenland. It is a Danish territory, no ? Nevertheless we stay patient, isn't it? I receive usually spams with my own name as sender. I know that it is a way found by the spammers to pass my filters. No more. I only have to imagine other filters to suppress these spams. -- DC |
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:24:15 -0700, Grandpa jsdebooATcomcast.net
wrote: Didier Cuidet wrote: snip I think that someone knowing your address has his computer infected by a worm or a virus that copied his address book, and use random names in it to send copies of it all around the world. Thats why I use Netscape. Its not foolproof but the hackers LOVE Micro$oft products and rarely fiddle with NS, or Mozilla if you prefer. Hopefully, you're using one of the 4.xx versions, unless you have a speed demon / RAM hog of a PC that can load / paly NutScrape 6.x or 7.x - they just hog your PC. Tracy Barber |
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:21:36 +0100, "Victor Manta"
wrote: From different postings it is clear to me that several participants feel the same like you, and some even try to justify one's self. I have also tried, as politely as I could, to point toward some problems, but I've got rather puzzling answers. Victor, et al: I'm at the point of almost - who cares (who gives a S_I_) because of all of the abuse given to me here. I'm sick of it, but my skin has gotten a bit thicker in the past year. Heh... Spam is only a small pittance to pay whilst you play on the 'Net. Today I received 23 messages and none of them legit. Total spammage 23 - Tracy 0. OK - here's the poop - if someone wnats to mess around with someone elses internet "entities", they can do it. All one has to do is post anonymously and put the legit return address of someone else and "poof!" - instant spam from the harvesters. We see it every day. I know even you tried to keep up with it, but finally even you gave in a while back. Nature of the beast. Ahhhh... the price we pay to play here. Sux, but there isn't much of an alternative, except to go -silence- those who want to deep six our activities here. One can play defensively, but hopefully that doesn't lead to outright paranoia, because then the hobby setting can trigger those thoughts simply by association... It does take a little while to get used to the idiots and avoid them. The spammers will morph, connive, manipulate and so forth because there's a bunch of sick b_s_a_d_ out there and even a sicker bunch of greedy _a_t_r_s that only are concerend with themselves. I keep mentioning it here, but it falls on deaf ears, or so it seems. Not all of us play on the same baseball field. Although we have a common topic, stamp collecting, the rest is various (and even spans the range of normal (?) to outright psychotic) here. As usual, YMMV. Tracy Barber |
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"Douglas Myall" wrote in message
... "Victor Manta" wrote in message ... Three of RCSD participants (Tom, Dakota, Grandpa) aren't on the black list anymore. The work progresses, slowly but efficiently. BTW, the abuse game isn't still over, because other 30 or more permanents here still have to somehow prove that they aren't the "culprits". Maybe a better place for us would be a Danish Guaxxxxxmo. Some suggestions for a proper place, because I'm not familiar with Denmark's geography? :-) Nevertheless we stay patient, isn't it? Victor Manta I don't think Victor needs to keep stirring this pot and his references to a prison camp are over the top. I am content for Mette to do whatever is necessary to identify the person who is plaguing her. Even although she felt it necessary (desirable?) to inform this NG of her problem I do not see how that means that 30 or more NG members are under any obligation to `prove' (Victor's word) their innocence. Douglas I strongly disagree with this kind of investigations of RCSD. Please see below the most relevant parts of what disturbs me: ------------------------ " Why are you even posting this information here in the first place ?. To try and locate the offender(s) to see if my suspicion can bear. " (Mette) " To find the offender it is not enough to yell out on Usenet "stop spamming me!". I had to go other ways, and one of them was to provoke people to contact me on my Yahoo-address to narrow down the offender. I did well. So many people, both from this group and others that I read, have contacted me, so by simple exclusion methods I can now concentrate my search among very few people. (Mette) ----------------------------- It starts by "yell out on Usenet" and is followed by "other ways", about we are menacingly informed. These "simple exclusion methods" look as absurd to me. Does it mean that those who now contact Mette are real friends and those who not stay on the black list? Personally, I have no intention to prove my correctness, political or other one. My joke about a Danish investigation camp was merely, yes, a joke (not enough English, I admit . Have you noticed the :-) and generally the tone of my posting? It was nothing more than an exaggeration that should reveal a certain absurdity of the whole. Just to mention that it was also too much to swallow at once : firstly it was a rather non-existing person (John Smith) that tragically disappeared, and shortly after him it was a hidden and treacherous spammer that appeared, both strongly related to the same person. Perhaps Alan is right with his (somehow harsh when referring to a lady, at least in my ears) final comment, that I will abstain from citing here. Victor Manta |
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1/11/2004 8:31 AM
Douglas Myall wrote: "Victor Manta" wrote in message ... "Mette" wrote in message ... Grandpa and Dakota, None of you are the culprits, and neither are those who have contacted me at my yahoo-address. snip To find the offender it is not enough to yell out on Usenet "stop spamming me!". I had to go other ways, and one of them was to provoke people to contact me on my Yahoo-address to narrow down the offender. I did well. So many people, both from this group and others that I read, have contacted me, so by simple exclusion methods I can now concentrate my search among very few people. In a few more days I will know for sure who that "friend" was, and he/she can be sure to be killfiled for eternity, both on my Usenet-account and my private accounts. snip Thank you, Dakota and Grandpa, and everybody else for your patience :-) -- Ann Mette Heindorff (Mette) "Tom, I have just answered your email in private but it bounced back. Anyhow, I know it's not you Buddy :-) Mette" Three of RCSD participants (Tom, Dakota, Grandpa) aren't on the black list anymore. The work progresses, slowly but efficiently. BTW, the abuse game isn't still over, because other 30 or more permanents here still have to somehow prove that they aren't the "culprits". Maybe a better place for us would be a Danish Guaxxxxxmo. Some suggestions for a proper place, because I'm not familiar with Denmark's geography? :-) Nevertheless we stay patient, isn't it? Victor Manta I don't think Victor needs to keep stirring this pot and his references to a prison camp are over the top. I am content for Mette to do whatever is necessary to identify the person who is plaguing her. Even although she felt it necessary (desirable?) to inform this NG of her problem I do not see how that means that 30 or more NG members are under any obligation to `prove' (Victor's word) their innocence. Douglas I think the problem is that Damark is a cold and loneley place this time of year and some people need to get attention any way they can. ENOUGH ALREADY! Mette Heindorff has a long and respectable history as a supportive and generous member of this newsgroup. She's trying to deal with something that she perceives as a problem, and hardly needs the petty criticisms that some people in the newsgroup seem all too willing to pass out. Check the mote in your own eye, Doug. Her country's name is "Denmark," by the way, not "Damark." Bob Ingraham |
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