eBay Ripoff - Seller the_ashman selling Al-Bz Spanish 1 Peseta pieces as GOLD

There's a scam artist on eBay. A Canadian seller, , is
posting these almost worthless coins calling them: GOLD FRANCO PESETA 1963
A STUNNING COIN and starting them at $4.99. Some sucker bought one last
night at $13.50! I sent the seller a couple of e-mails. The first, a while
back, asked naively if they were gold. No response. Last night I sent him
another saying he ripped this poor guy off. I got a response this time
saying mind my own business and warned me not to contact him again. Why
doesn't eBay get after these guys?

"Phil" wrote in message
...

There's a scam artist on eBay. A Canadian seller, , is
posting these almost worthless coins calling them: GOLD FRANCO PESETA 1963 A
STUNNING COIN and starting them at $4.99. Some sucker bought one last night at
$13.50! I sent the seller a couple of e-mails. The first, a while back, asked
naively if they were gold. No response. Last night I sent him another saying he
ripped this poor guy off. I got a response this time saying mind my own business
and warned me not to contact him again. Why doesn't eBay get after these guys?


Did you report it to eBay? What did they say?

On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 21:19:41 -0400, Phil wrote:
There's a scam artist on eBay. A Canadian seller, , is
posting these almost worthless coins calling them: GOLD FRANCO PESETA 1963
A STUNNING COIN and starting them at $4.99. Some sucker bought one last
night at $13.50! I sent the seller a couple of e-mails. The first, a while
back, asked naively if they were gold. No response. Last night I sent him
another saying he ripped this poor guy off. I got a response this time
saying mind my own business and warned me not to contact him again. Why
doesn't eBay get after these guys?

Well, did you report the auction as fraudulent, or just taunt the
criminal who is selling bogus goods? If the latter and not the former,
than I'd like to encourage you to expand your reporting to include those
who can stop said fraudsters.

On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 20:41:30 -0500, "jim menning"
wrote:


"Phil" wrote in message
...

There's a scam artist on eBay. A Canadian seller, , is
posting these almost worthless coins calling them: GOLD FRANCO PESETA 1963 A
STUNNING COIN and starting them at $4.99. Some sucker bought one last night at
$13.50! I sent the seller a couple of e-mails. The first, a while back, asked
naively if they were gold. No response. Last night I sent him another saying he
ripped this poor guy off. I got a response this time saying mind my own business
and warned me not to contact him again. Why doesn't eBay get after these guys?


Did you report it to eBay? What did they say?


He should have reported it to eBay, but he should *not* post the link
here or contact the buyers. Phil is the one who is most likely to
lose his eBay account for these violations.


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Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 22:32:43 -0400, tony cooper
wrote:

On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 20:41:30 -0500, "jim menning"
wrote:


"Phil" wrote in message
.. .

There's a scam artist on eBay. A Canadian seller, , is
posting these almost worthless coins calling them: GOLD FRANCO PESETA 1963 A
STUNNING COIN and starting them at $4.99. Some sucker bought one last night at
$13.50! I sent the seller a couple of e-mails. The first, a while back, asked
naively if they were gold. No response. Last night I sent him another saying he
ripped this poor guy off. I got a response this time saying mind my own business
and warned me not to contact him again. Why doesn't eBay get after these guys?


Did you report it to eBay? What did they say?


He should have reported it to eBay, but he should *not* post the link
here or contact the buyers. Phil is the one who is most likely to
lose his eBay account for these violations.

Sorry, he didn't say he contacted the bidders or buyers. Just the
seller.


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Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

If you use eBay's link on the listing, you are able to REPORT THIS ITEM but
you only get a list of items to report, one being FRAUDLENT LISTINGS. When
you click that you get a window to put the item number ONLY. I tried to
explain in that window but it will only take an item number. That doesn't
tell anyone at eBay what the problem iis and unless you're a coin collector,
you wouldn't recognize the problem. I then went to their CONTACT US page.
There is an item called LISTING VIOLATIONS but again there is no input area
for this specific problem or way that I could figure out to input the
problem. Then I found a page with another list of these, one being
MISREPRESENTED ITEMS, again when you click that you can only into the item
number, no description. I then got to a page with a phone number but it says
they only take calls only if you have been invited to call. This page also
had a LIVE CHAT which I did. The fellow I talked to didn't know anything
about coins and said they will check it out but they had no way of verifying
my statement about the item not being gold. I volunteered to e-mail then a
page from the KM catalog. He said there was no way to do that unless they
contact me and ask for it. Haven't heard anything back from them. eBay makes
it very difficult or next to impossible to talk with a knowledgeable person
who understands the problem. They just give you the feeling that you tried
and don't worry about it.

If anyone knows how you can get through to the eBay people and avoid the
bureaucracy, please pass it on.

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 21:19:41 -0400, Phil wrote:
There's a scam artist on eBay. A Canadian seller, ,
is
posting these almost worthless coins calling them: GOLD FRANCO PESETA
1963
A STUNNING COIN and starting them at $4.99. Some sucker bought one last
night at $13.50! I sent the seller a couple of e-mails. The first, a
while
back, asked naively if they were gold. No response. Last night I sent him
another saying he ripped this poor guy off. I got a response this time
saying mind my own business and warned me not to contact him again. Why
doesn't eBay get after these guys?

Well, did you report the auction as fraudulent, or just taunt the
criminal who is selling bogus goods? If the latter and not the former,
than I'd like to encourage you to expand your reporting to include those
who can stop said fraudsters.

"Phil" wrote in message
news:4pwai.22501$dy1.17659@bigfe9...
If you use eBay's link on the listing, you are able to REPORT THIS ITEM
but you only get a list of items to report, one being FRAUDLENT LISTINGS.
When you click that you get a window to put the item number ONLY. I tried
to explain in that window but it will only take an item number. That
doesn't tell anyone at eBay what the problem iis and unless you're a coin
collector, you wouldn't recognize the problem. I then went to their
CONTACT US page. There is an item called LISTING VIOLATIONS but again
there is no input area for this specific problem or way that I could
figure out to input the problem. Then I found a page with another list of
these, one being MISREPRESENTED ITEMS, again when you click that you can
only into the item number, no description. I then got to a page with a
phone number but it says they only take calls only if you have been
invited to call. This page also had a LIVE CHAT which I did. The fellow I
talked to didn't know anything about coins and said they will check it out
but they had no way of verifying my statement about the item not being
gold. I volunteered to e-mail then a page from the KM catalog. He said
there was no way to do that unless they contact me and ask for it. Haven't
heard anything back from them. eBay makes it very difficult or next to
impossible to talk with a knowledgeable person who understands the
problem. They just give you the feeling that you tried and don't worry
about it.

If anyone knows how you can get through to the eBay people and avoid the
bureaucracy, please pass it on.

http://tinyurl.com/dwas9

James

"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
...

"Phil" wrote in message
news:4pwai.22501$dy1.17659@bigfe9...
If you use eBay's link on the listing, you are able to REPORT THIS ITEM
but you only get a list of items to report, one being FRAUDLENT LISTINGS.
When you click that you get a window to put the item number ONLY. I tried
to explain in that window but it will only take an item number. That
doesn't tell anyone at eBay what the problem iis and unless you're a coin
collector, you wouldn't recognize the problem. I then went to their
CONTACT US page. There is an item called LISTING VIOLATIONS but again
there is no input area for this specific problem or way that I could
figure out to input the problem. Then I found a page with another list of
these, one being MISREPRESENTED ITEMS, again when you click that you can
only into the item number, no description. I then got to a page with a
phone number but it says they only take calls only if you have been
invited to call. This page also had a LIVE CHAT which I did. The fellow I
talked to didn't know anything about coins and said they will check it
out but they had no way of verifying my statement about the item not
being gold. I volunteered to e-mail then a page from the KM catalog. He
said there was no way to do that unless they contact me and ask for it.
Haven't heard anything back from them. eBay makes it very difficult or
next to impossible to talk with a knowledgeable person who understands
the problem. They just give you the feeling that you tried and don't
worry about it.

If anyone knows how you can get through to the eBay people and avoid the
bureaucracy, please pass it on.

http://tinyurl.com/dwas9

I neglected to mention that you will have to sign in to get to the target
page. Once you are there, bookmark it, as the tinyurl may not work forever.

James

On Jun 9, 6:45?am, "Phil" wrote:

If you use eBay's link on the listing, you are able to REPORT THIS ITEM but
you only get a list of items to report, one being FRAUDLENT LISTINGS. When
you click that you get a window to put the item number ONLY. I tried to
explain in that window but it will only take an item number.

That's not the way it works for me.

Back in December and January I got thousands of fraudulent auctions
being run through hijacked accounts shut down and was always able to
give an explanation in the report.

I just tried it again and got the same results.

After clicking on "report this item" at the bottom of the auction page
I was taken to a page with a 3 steps:

Step 1 - click on "fraudulent listings....." in the first subtopic
box.
Step 2 - click on "You suspect that a listing is fraudulent, you
didin't bid" in the second subtopic list.
Step 3 - click on the "continue" button.

You will now be taken to a page with 3 titled paragraphs....ignore
them and scroll below to "Contact Customer Support" and click on "e-
mail us".....this will bring up a report page that already has the
auction number in a top box with a larger box below for you to type in
your reason for reporting the auction.

You might mention that in the US the rules of the Federal Trade
Commission specify that anything sold as "gold" must be at least 10kt
gold (.4166% fine).

On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 07:45:03 -0400, "Phil" wrote:

If you use eBay's link on the listing, you are able to REPORT THIS ITEM but
you only get a list of items to report, one being FRAUDLENT LISTINGS. When
you click that you get a window to put the item number ONLY. I tried to
explain in that window but it will only take an item number. That doesn't
tell anyone at eBay what the problem iis and unless you're a coin collector,
you wouldn't recognize the problem. I then went to their CONTACT US page.
There is an item called LISTING VIOLATIONS but again there is no input area
for this specific problem or way that I could figure out to input the
problem. Then I found a page with another list of these, one being
MISREPRESENTED ITEMS, again when you click that you can only into the item
number, no description. I then got to a page with a phone number but it says
they only take calls only if you have been invited to call. This page also
had a LIVE CHAT which I did. The fellow I talked to didn't know anything
about coins and said they will check it out but they had no way of verifying
my statement about the item not being gold. I volunteered to e-mail then a
page from the KM catalog. He said there was no way to do that unless they
contact me and ask for it. Haven't heard anything back from them. eBay makes
it very difficult or next to impossible to talk with a knowledgeable person
who understands the problem. They just give you the feeling that you tried
and don't worry about it.

If anyone knows how you can get through to the eBay people and avoid the
bureaucracy, please pass it on.

I think the answer is actually pretty clear: there are _no_ Ebay
"people". Just endless levels of selfpropagating web pages and
byzantine red tape. Probably Ebay just consists of a by now massive
and sentient Computer, the human operator of which has long since died
and his dessicated corpse still sits in its chair, bony hand clutching
mouse and vacant eye sockets staring at Ebay's homepage.

In other words, Good Luck trying to get through! I haven't heard _any_
reports here of the task being an easy one!

Padraic


"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 21:19:41 -0400, Phil wrote:
There's a scam artist on eBay. A Canadian seller, ,
is
posting these almost worthless coins calling them: GOLD FRANCO PESETA
1963
A STUNNING COIN and starting them at $4.99. Some sucker bought one last
night at $13.50! I sent the seller a couple of e-mails. The first, a
while
back, asked naively if they were gold. No response. Last night I sent him
another saying he ripped this poor guy off. I got a response this time
saying mind my own business and warned me not to contact him again. Why
doesn't eBay get after these guys?

Well, did you report the auction as fraudulent, or just taunt the
criminal who is selling bogus goods? If the latter and not the former,
than I'd like to encourage you to expand your reporting to include those
who can stop said fraudsters.




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