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Scaupaug wrote:
.. The parker 61 was not innovation? It is dead reliable in a jet as leak proof...yet it is self filling. You of all people should know there were many capillary fill pens before the 61. The 61 was nothing really new. Just a rehash of a way old idea. I had a Blains capalliry filler from about 1905 at one time. same exact idea as the 61. Hard rubber, gold nib, and worked OK as well. Im waiting for someone to mention the VP, but again we all know many retractable point self fillers were made in the 30s as well. So the VP is another rehash too. Frank |
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I guess a lot of it depends on whether you're the buyer or the seller. If
you're the buyer then maybe that eyedropper works just fine so it aint broke. But if your job is to sell pens - it is *broke* because you need to sell more so you have to "innovate". Perhaps from the manufacture's perspective the main innovation has been making things disposable. This ensures that regular pen users buy loads of pens. Personally I hate this. I would rather have a couple of great pens that will last than keep sweat shops in china endlessly churning. jolyon "Scaupaug" wrote in message ... Is that anyting that makes a standard fontain pen more useful or dependable for everyday NORMAL use? NO!!!!!!!! Frank Hmmm...can't see how we had to move on from eyedroppers then. I don't really NEED anything beyond a basic eyedropper according to that logic. All the following pens and designs from say, 1890 on - were just pointless. Anyone have a 1957 Chevrolet? These modern cars don't cut it - just gimmicks...new innovation never existed. :-) lolol |
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William Bosner wrote:
I wonder if the Pelikan Level filling system can be considered an innovation? In it's present form, it is a bit retrograde, but has the potential to be a descent filling system. In my opinion, it needs a simple method of opening the system so it can be flushed. Its a innovation ONLY IF you consider anything different for the sake of being diffeent an innoviation. BUT IS IT BETTER THAN ANY OTHER FILLER? Of course not. Name the advantages and improvements it offers over other fillers. Name the IMPROVEMENTS the Level offers that makes the Level a better pen than pens of the 40s and 50s. Its a joke of a filler in realistic terms. A "decent" filler (and I do not think the Level is even that) is not a better filler nor an improvement. As I said ink could be sold in pressurized cans and used to fill a pen like a butane lighter. Maybe the pressure could help flush the ink even. Nutty? Yup. Innovative? Sure! Could it be made to work? Easy. Would some people buy it? PT Barnum was right. Would Pen World call it a great advancement in pen? Sure if paid full page color ads for it ran in the same issue. BUT Better than a standard time tested filler? A true improvement in fountain pens? ROFL Noooooooo waaaaaaaaay. Frank |
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"marlinspike" wrote in message ...
"Scaupaug" wrote in message news:20030806223032.24718.00001164@mb- Anyone have a 1957 Chevrolet? These modern cars don't cut it - just gimmicks...new innovation never existed. :-) lolol Well.....IMHO, any car built from 1992 on is no good. Richard I take, in answer to my question, the development of the fountain pen is at the end of it limits in terms of technology. I guess it's like a chair. There may be innovations in terms of production methods, materials, colors, shapes, etc, but the fundamentals are already there. It boils down to a seat, a back and legs or a pedestal. Period. Some designs are timeless. Others will fade away. But they all boil down to those three elements. In the matter of automobiles, innovations abound. Computer technology is used to improve fuel mileage and driving stability. Hybrid and alternative fuel vehicles are hitting the roads as I'm typing this. And who know what the gnomes in the shops of Detroit, Tokyo and Munich have in store for us. Thanks for all the interesting answers and thoughts you folks provided. David Who has been know to cause trouble before. |
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As I said ink could be sold in pressurized cans and used to fill a pen like a butane lighter. Maybe the pressure could help flush the ink even. The more you say this, the cooler it seems. Anyways, couldn't it be argued that a piston is the best filler? I mean, sure it doen't insulate as well, but I have never heard of the walls of a pen deteriorating like a sac can. Richard |
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"kcat" wrote in message
... i suppose but there's the MOMA chair that is unique and I think innovative. Either way the tempur-pedic chair is the best. Sure it's expensive, but soooooo comfortable Richard |
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"David Heverly" wrote in message
In the matter of automobiles, innovations abound. Computer technology is used to improve fuel mileage and driving stability. Hybrid and alternative fuel vehicles are hitting the roads as I'm typing this. And who know what the gnomes in the shops of Detroit, Tokyo and Munich have in store for us. All that's stuff is for softies, and, if you ask me, cars are getting worse because of this whole new thing of "metrosexuals." Richard |
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marlinspike wrote:
Anyways, couldn't it be argued that a piston is the best filler? I mean, sure it doen't insulate as well, but I have never heard of the walls of a pen deteriorating like a sac can. Couldnt it also be argued its one of the worse fillers? No insulation. The slightest hairline crack means a major probable leak and a useless pen. If you havent heard of the walls of a piston filler deteriorating you havent heard much about some Omas pens. So what about a sac going bad since piston gaskets go bad too? Frank |
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