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  #11  
Old May 6th 04, 12:00 AM
PENMART01
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Quarter Horseman writes:

http://www.marcuslink.com/pens/ink-02.htm#blue

resembles mine, although my letters are broader.


Nasty. I side with the complainants.


Yes, barely legible... if not for the printed copy along side it'd be near
impossible to decipher that chicken scrawl. Try writing more slowly and
concentrate on not jamming the letters so close together, someone would think
you're trying to write The Gettysburgh Address on the head of a pin.


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Old May 6th 04, 04:41 AM
Tim McNamara
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"Bluesea" writes:

Juan wrote:
The problem seems to be that many people is not familiar with fp
handwriting; at least that's my impression. As a reference, the
handwriting here

http://www.marcuslink.com/pens/ink-02.htm#blue

resembles mine, although my letters are broader.

Any opinions? Juan


Hopefully, the writing on that site looks better in RL than it does
on a computer monitor because, IMO, it's bad enough that I'd refuse
to read anything by anyone who wrote that way. Since your writing is
broader, I might not have such a negative reaction - it's hard to
tell w/o actually seeing it.


Hmmm. My handwriting uncomfortably resembles the handwriting on that
Web site. Uh oh. Nobody complains, but then maybe nobody bothers to
read it!
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Old May 6th 04, 04:46 AM
Michael Wright
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Juan wrote:
SNIP
The problem seems to be that many people is not familiar with fp
handwriting; at least that's my impression.
As a reference, the handwriting here

http://www.marcuslink.com/pens/ink-02.htm#blue

resembles mine, although my letters are broader.

That handwriting doesn't make enough differentiation between
some letters -- the word "minimum" would be nightmarish in that
hand. It *looks* neat, but it would be hard to read if you
couldn't guess half the words in advance.

One answer would be to teach yourself some practical variety of
italic handwriting. As people have said, if co-workers can't
read your writing, it's going to be easy for you to change
yourself than change them.

Michael

who used to have an appalling hand, and taught himself italic;
and has spent the rest of his life reading bad handwriting, in
some kind of karmic balance

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Old May 6th 04, 04:50 AM
Thore Karlsen
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 15:46:15 +1200, Michael Wright
wrote:

The problem seems to be that many people is not familiar with fp
handwriting; at least that's my impression.
As a reference, the handwriting here

http://www.marcuslink.com/pens/ink-02.htm#blue

resembles mine, although my letters are broader.


That handwriting doesn't make enough differentiation between
some letters -- the word "minimum" would be nightmarish in that
hand. It *looks* neat, but it would be hard to read if you
couldn't guess half the words in advance.

One answer would be to teach yourself some practical variety of
italic handwriting.


Any ideas on how to learn that? I really need to improve my handwriting.
:/

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Old May 6th 04, 07:40 AM
Juan
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"Bluesea" wrote in message ...
"Juan" wrote in message
om...
Hi, I recently have received some "complaints" from some friends and
coworkers about my handwriting. It is cursive, and I use F/M nibs (of
course fps). What's going on? My handwriting is not bad; it is not
like that rounded and separated letters some (most) people use though.
A coworker even suggested me to use printing (!!!???)
Do I have to pretend I'm in kindergarden so as my handwriting can be
read or what? Has anyone had similar experiences?

Note: I know that since you haven't seen my handwriting it might seem
hard to have an opinion, but trust me, it is not bad, just cursive
with a fountain pen.

Juan


Yeah, opinions are subjective and since we can't see a sample here, all we
have to go by is what you posted.

You say it's not bad, yet you've had friends and co-workers complain and one
even suggested that you print.

Do the math.

(Have you tried an XF nib? My writing looks much nicer w/ an XF than with a
M.)



Let's see:

A.- In the past some people use to think that my handwriting was nice
B.- My handwriting hasn't changed
C.- Now, some people (not those in A) think it is hard to read

The handwriting I pointed to in the mentioned site is NOT mine; I
write with broader and more rounded letters.
As for the different angle I use with a fp: every fp user writes with
a similar angle than the one I use; otherwise, the fp simply doesn't
work properly. Do you write with a 85 angle when using a fp?

Juan
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Old May 6th 04, 11:35 AM
Michael Wright
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Thore Karlsen wrote:

(about italic handwriting)

Any ideas on how to learn that? I really need to improve my handwriting.
:/

Well, I learned from a Teach Yourself series handbook, but that
was more than 40 years ago :-(

The current boss of handwriting instruction in the UK seems to
be Rosemary Sassoon, and her _Teach Yourself Better Handwriting_
goes for about US$10 on Amazon.

I assume that italic hands are constant across Europe, and don't
have the kind of national variations that cursives show.

You really want a straight-cut nib to learn, so it's a good
excuse to get a calligraphy pen. Get the narrowest calligraphy
nib, if what you want to do is to learn a practical hand for
everyday use. Italic uses the width difference in the nib, and
the shape of the nib will really guide your hand in making the
strokes the right shape.

Good luck

Michael

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Old May 6th 04, 11:59 AM
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Any ideas on how to learn that? I really need to improve my handwriting.
:/


Also try http://www.jp29.org/cadr.htm
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Old May 6th 04, 07:03 PM
Bluesea
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"Juan" wrote in message
om...
"Bluesea" wrote in message

...
"Juan" wrote in message
om...
Hi, I recently have received some "complaints" from some friends and
coworkers about my handwriting. It is cursive, and I use F/M nibs (of
course fps). What's going on? My handwriting is not bad; it is not
like that rounded and separated letters some (most) people use though.
A coworker even suggested me to use printing (!!!???)
Do I have to pretend I'm in kindergarden so as my handwriting can be
read or what? Has anyone had similar experiences?

Note: I know that since you haven't seen my handwriting it might seem
hard to have an opinion, but trust me, it is not bad, just cursive
with a fountain pen.

Juan


Yeah, opinions are subjective and since we can't see a sample here, all

we
have to go by is what you posted.

You say it's not bad, yet you've had friends and co-workers complain and

one
even suggested that you print.

Do the math.

(Have you tried an XF nib? My writing looks much nicer w/ an XF than

with a
M.)



Let's see:

A.- In the past some people use to think that my handwriting was nice
B.- My handwriting hasn't changed
C.- Now, some people (not those in A) think it is hard to read

The handwriting I pointed to in the mentioned site is NOT mine; I
write with broader and more rounded letters.
As for the different angle I use with a fp: every fp user writes with
a similar angle than the one I use; otherwise, the fp simply doesn't
work properly. Do you write with a 85 angle when using a fp?


Well, as I indicated in my reply to your example post, it's hard to tell w/o
seeing a sample of *your* handwriting. Posting a link to an example of
someone else's handwriting then telling us that your handwriting is better
really doesn't absolve you, especially since the example is atrocious. It
says to me that your writing is still bad.

As to the angle, you said that you use a different angle when using a fp
than when you use a bp. The angle at which I hold a writing instrument
doesn't change depending on the instrument whether it be a fp, bp, or
pencil. Being nearly vertical, an angle of 85 degrees seems rather extreme
anyway.

The bottom line is that you've got people complaining and while you may hope
to blame their reading, I haven't seen anything that entices me to support
your position that it can't be because of your writing. Therefore, the
burden of allaying their complaints, whether it's by changing your
handwriting or not, is still up to you.

Good luck.


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Old May 6th 04, 07:08 PM
Bluesea
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"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
...
"Bluesea" writes:

Juan wrote:
The problem seems to be that many people is not familiar with fp
handwriting; at least that's my impression. As a reference, the
handwriting here

http://www.marcuslink.com/pens/ink-02.htm#blue

resembles mine, although my letters are broader.

Any opinions? Juan


Hopefully, the writing on that site looks better in RL than it does
on a computer monitor because, IMO, it's bad enough that I'd refuse
to read anything by anyone who wrote that way. Since your writing is
broader, I might not have such a negative reaction - it's hard to
tell w/o actually seeing it.


Hmmm. My handwriting uncomfortably resembles the handwriting on that
Web site. Uh oh. Nobody complains, but then maybe nobody bothers to
read it!


LOL!

You might include "free money [here]" and see how many people show up :P.


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Old May 6th 04, 07:37 PM
Gordon Tillman
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Hi Thore,

One answer would be to teach yourself some practical variety of
italic handwriting.


Any ideas on how to learn that? I really need to improve my handwriting.
:/


I was in the same boat and after reading numerous recommendations I
ordered this book:

Write Now - a complete self-teaching program for better handwriting

by Barbara Getty and Inga Dubay
Continuing Education Press
Portland State University
ISBN 0-87678-089-3

I've only had it for about a week, but have been practising some every
day and I have noticed a definite improvement!

--gordon
 




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