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Quarter Horseman writes:
http://www.marcuslink.com/pens/ink-02.htm#blue resembles mine, although my letters are broader. Nasty. I side with the complainants. Yes, barely legible... if not for the printed copy along side it'd be near impossible to decipher that chicken scrawl. Try writing more slowly and concentrate on not jamming the letters so close together, someone would think you're trying to write The Gettysburgh Address on the head of a pin. ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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"Bluesea" writes:
Juan wrote: The problem seems to be that many people is not familiar with fp handwriting; at least that's my impression. As a reference, the handwriting here http://www.marcuslink.com/pens/ink-02.htm#blue resembles mine, although my letters are broader. Any opinions? Juan Hopefully, the writing on that site looks better in RL than it does on a computer monitor because, IMO, it's bad enough that I'd refuse to read anything by anyone who wrote that way. Since your writing is broader, I might not have such a negative reaction - it's hard to tell w/o actually seeing it. Hmmm. My handwriting uncomfortably resembles the handwriting on that Web site. Uh oh. Nobody complains, but then maybe nobody bothers to read it! |
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Juan wrote:
SNIP The problem seems to be that many people is not familiar with fp handwriting; at least that's my impression. As a reference, the handwriting here http://www.marcuslink.com/pens/ink-02.htm#blue resembles mine, although my letters are broader. That handwriting doesn't make enough differentiation between some letters -- the word "minimum" would be nightmarish in that hand. It *looks* neat, but it would be hard to read if you couldn't guess half the words in advance. One answer would be to teach yourself some practical variety of italic handwriting. As people have said, if co-workers can't read your writing, it's going to be easy for you to change yourself than change them. Michael who used to have an appalling hand, and taught himself italic; and has spent the rest of his life reading bad handwriting, in some kind of karmic balance |
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 15:46:15 +1200, Michael Wright
wrote: The problem seems to be that many people is not familiar with fp handwriting; at least that's my impression. As a reference, the handwriting here http://www.marcuslink.com/pens/ink-02.htm#blue resembles mine, although my letters are broader. That handwriting doesn't make enough differentiation between some letters -- the word "minimum" would be nightmarish in that hand. It *looks* neat, but it would be hard to read if you couldn't guess half the words in advance. One answer would be to teach yourself some practical variety of italic handwriting. Any ideas on how to learn that? I really need to improve my handwriting. :/ -- Be seeing you. |
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"Bluesea" wrote in message ...
"Juan" wrote in message om... Hi, I recently have received some "complaints" from some friends and coworkers about my handwriting. It is cursive, and I use F/M nibs (of course fps). What's going on? My handwriting is not bad; it is not like that rounded and separated letters some (most) people use though. A coworker even suggested me to use printing (!!!???) Do I have to pretend I'm in kindergarden so as my handwriting can be read or what? Has anyone had similar experiences? Note: I know that since you haven't seen my handwriting it might seem hard to have an opinion, but trust me, it is not bad, just cursive with a fountain pen. Juan Yeah, opinions are subjective and since we can't see a sample here, all we have to go by is what you posted. You say it's not bad, yet you've had friends and co-workers complain and one even suggested that you print. Do the math. (Have you tried an XF nib? My writing looks much nicer w/ an XF than with a M.) Let's see: A.- In the past some people use to think that my handwriting was nice B.- My handwriting hasn't changed C.- Now, some people (not those in A) think it is hard to read The handwriting I pointed to in the mentioned site is NOT mine; I write with broader and more rounded letters. As for the different angle I use with a fp: every fp user writes with a similar angle than the one I use; otherwise, the fp simply doesn't work properly. Do you write with a 85 angle when using a fp? Juan |
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Thore Karlsen wrote:
(about italic handwriting) Any ideas on how to learn that? I really need to improve my handwriting. :/ Well, I learned from a Teach Yourself series handbook, but that was more than 40 years ago :-( The current boss of handwriting instruction in the UK seems to be Rosemary Sassoon, and her _Teach Yourself Better Handwriting_ goes for about US$10 on Amazon. I assume that italic hands are constant across Europe, and don't have the kind of national variations that cursives show. You really want a straight-cut nib to learn, so it's a good excuse to get a calligraphy pen. Get the narrowest calligraphy nib, if what you want to do is to learn a practical hand for everyday use. Italic uses the width difference in the nib, and the shape of the nib will really guide your hand in making the strokes the right shape. Good luck Michael |
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Any ideas on how to learn that? I really need to improve my handwriting. :/ Also try http://www.jp29.org/cadr.htm |
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"Juan" wrote in message om... "Bluesea" wrote in message ... "Juan" wrote in message om... Hi, I recently have received some "complaints" from some friends and coworkers about my handwriting. It is cursive, and I use F/M nibs (of course fps). What's going on? My handwriting is not bad; it is not like that rounded and separated letters some (most) people use though. A coworker even suggested me to use printing (!!!???) Do I have to pretend I'm in kindergarden so as my handwriting can be read or what? Has anyone had similar experiences? Note: I know that since you haven't seen my handwriting it might seem hard to have an opinion, but trust me, it is not bad, just cursive with a fountain pen. Juan Yeah, opinions are subjective and since we can't see a sample here, all we have to go by is what you posted. You say it's not bad, yet you've had friends and co-workers complain and one even suggested that you print. Do the math. (Have you tried an XF nib? My writing looks much nicer w/ an XF than with a M.) Let's see: A.- In the past some people use to think that my handwriting was nice B.- My handwriting hasn't changed C.- Now, some people (not those in A) think it is hard to read The handwriting I pointed to in the mentioned site is NOT mine; I write with broader and more rounded letters. As for the different angle I use with a fp: every fp user writes with a similar angle than the one I use; otherwise, the fp simply doesn't work properly. Do you write with a 85 angle when using a fp? Well, as I indicated in my reply to your example post, it's hard to tell w/o seeing a sample of *your* handwriting. Posting a link to an example of someone else's handwriting then telling us that your handwriting is better really doesn't absolve you, especially since the example is atrocious. It says to me that your writing is still bad. As to the angle, you said that you use a different angle when using a fp than when you use a bp. The angle at which I hold a writing instrument doesn't change depending on the instrument whether it be a fp, bp, or pencil. Being nearly vertical, an angle of 85 degrees seems rather extreme anyway. The bottom line is that you've got people complaining and while you may hope to blame their reading, I haven't seen anything that entices me to support your position that it can't be because of your writing. Therefore, the burden of allaying their complaints, whether it's by changing your handwriting or not, is still up to you. Good luck. -- ~~Bluesea~~ Spam is great in musubi but not in email. Please take out the trash before sending a direct reply. |
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"Tim McNamara" wrote in message ... "Bluesea" writes: Juan wrote: The problem seems to be that many people is not familiar with fp handwriting; at least that's my impression. As a reference, the handwriting here http://www.marcuslink.com/pens/ink-02.htm#blue resembles mine, although my letters are broader. Any opinions? Juan Hopefully, the writing on that site looks better in RL than it does on a computer monitor because, IMO, it's bad enough that I'd refuse to read anything by anyone who wrote that way. Since your writing is broader, I might not have such a negative reaction - it's hard to tell w/o actually seeing it. Hmmm. My handwriting uncomfortably resembles the handwriting on that Web site. Uh oh. Nobody complains, but then maybe nobody bothers to read it! LOL! You might include "free money [here]" and see how many people show up :P. -- ~~Bluesea~~ Spam is great in musubi but not in email. Please take out the trash before sending a direct reply. |
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Hi Thore,
One answer would be to teach yourself some practical variety of italic handwriting. Any ideas on how to learn that? I really need to improve my handwriting. :/ I was in the same boat and after reading numerous recommendations I ordered this book: Write Now - a complete self-teaching program for better handwriting by Barbara Getty and Inga Dubay Continuing Education Press Portland State University ISBN 0-87678-089-3 I've only had it for about a week, but have been practising some every day and I have noticed a definite improvement! --gordon |
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