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Old December 16th 05, 03:23 AM posted to alt.art.marketplace,rec.arts.fine,rec.collecting,alt.marketing.online.ebay
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Default Thomas Kinkade ORIGINAL "Home for the Evening"


Mani Deli wrote:
(Dan Fox) wrote:

The art renewal kooks are no more a part of the art world than
the creationists are a part of the scientific world.


One need only look at Fox's 1960 furniture store abstraction to see
who's a kook. It also pays to read his stuff on RAF to see that he is
a Modern Academic Art fundamentalist.

The strange notion that legitimate art is limited to the realism of the
19th century french academy is laughable unless you're a janitor from Crib
Death, Iowa.


The strange notion that the only legitimate art of the 20th century is
limited to the crap in the modern sections of museums is laughable
especially when you see mountains of Fox type wall covering all over
the net and in the painting racks of accredited schools run by people
who know even less than Fox..

The art renewal website is a hoot to be sure,


and a poke in the cerebral hemorrhoids for anyone like Fox who can't
draw and exhibits little more than post Kindergarten craft.

ARC at last shows the artwork of the past which was suppressed for
four generations


LOL ! David, Ingres, Courbet, and the Pre-Raphaelites haven't been
suppressed.


and offers an alternative to the slanted art history
taught in "accredited" schools.


But as we've been able to demonstrate, ARC offers really bad art
history.

It has the potential to be an excellent site on 19th century academic
art but lost
the chance by succumbing to factually inaccurate conspiracy theories.

In the meantime one would better spend one's time with:

R. Rosenblum & H. W. Janson, 19th Century Art. New York: Harry N.
Abrams, Inc., 1994.

Here's a fairly typical syllabus for an art history course. What is
"slanted" about it?

http://www.uml.edu/Dept/History/ArtHistory/19cent.htm

Among other things it suggests
schools that offer an alternitive to those which teach a creed instead
of a craft.


But ARC has it's own creed, and a rather silly one based on the
writings of Ayn Rand.

I can't really think of a successful artwork that is not a combination
of both creed and craft nor an an accredited school that does not teach
both.


Here one can see and compare the alternitive to Modern academic Art
and decide about it for one self.


Well yeah they're mostly derrivative pastiches of superior artists.
None of the "Living Masters" rank technically with Vermeer, van Eyck or
even Christopher and Mary Pratt, Pearlstein, Chuck Close, Ramos,
Morley, Richter etc.

And conceptually they're vapid so I wouldn't put them in the same rank
as Salle, Warhol, Clemente, Gary Hill etc...

So I've decided for myself and I really don't see why they deserve any
recognition beyond what they already have.

Before the advent of the net this
was not available.


No one was able to see commercial art before the Internet? Explain

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Old December 16th 05, 05:06 AM posted to alt.art.marketplace,rec.arts.fine,rec.collecting,alt.marketing.online.ebay
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Default Thomas Kinkade ORIGINAL "Home for the Evening"

On 15 Dec 2005 18:23:57 -0800, wrote:


Mani Deli wrote:


ARC at last shows the artwork of the past which was suppressed for
four generations


LOL ! David, Ingres, Courbet, and the Pre-Raphaelites haven't been
suppressed.


What about all the others?

and offers an alternative to the slanted art history
taught in "accredited" schools.


But as we've been able to demonstrate, ARC offers really bad art
history.


Like?

It has the potential to be an excellent site on 19th century academic
art but lost
the chance by succumbing to factually inaccurate conspiracy theories.

In the meantime one would better spend one's time with:

R. Rosenblum & H. W. Janson, 19th Century Art. New York: Harry N.
Abrams, Inc., 1994.

Here's a fairly typical syllabus for an art history course. What is
"slanted" about it?

http://www.uml.edu/Dept/History/ArtHistory/19cent.htm

I haven't taken that course. Sounds like it all leads up to the usual
Cezanne.

Have taken art history and youll'd think the only artists of the late
period were the impressionists.

Among other things it suggests
schools that offer an alternitive to those which teach a creed instead
of a craft.


But ARC has it's own creed, and a rather silly one based on the
writings of Ayn Rand.


Just lame brain Fox mentioned Rand, you repeat it. Its got nothing to
do with Rand.

I can't really think of a successful artwork that is not a combination
of both creed and craft nor an an accredited school that does not teach
both.


What's Vermeer's creed? However most art students and artists I see
have no craft.

Here one can see and compare the alternitive to Modern academic Art
and decide about it for one self.


Well yeah they're mostly derrivative pastiches of superior artists.


Yeah and Modern Academic Art hasn't made it past 1923 Dada.

None of the "Living Masters" rank technically with Vermeer, van Eyck or
even Christopher and Mary Pratt, Pearlstein, Chuck Close, Ramos,
Morley, Richter etc.


Most of the artists in Modern Sections of museums create second rate
decorative wall covering. Usually the bigger, the worse it is.

And conceptually they're vapid so I wouldn't put them in the same rank
as Salle, Warhol, Clemente, Gary Hill etc...

So I've decided for myself and I really don't see why they deserve any
recognition beyond what they already have.


Before the advent of the net this
was not available.


No one was able to see commercial art before the Internet? Explain


So is all the artwork you dislike commercial?
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Old December 16th 05, 07:29 AM posted to alt.art.marketplace,rec.arts.fine,rec.collecting,alt.marketing.online.ebay
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Default Thomas Kinkade ORIGINAL "Home for the Evening"


Mani Deli wrote:
On 15 Dec 2005 18:23:57 -0800, wrote:


Mani Deli wrote:


ARC at last shows the artwork of the past which was suppressed for
four generations


LOL ! David, Ingres, Courbet, and the Pre-Raphaelites haven't been
suppressed.


What about all the others?


You mean likeConstable, Delacroix, Caspar David Friedrich, Fuseli,
Goya, Turner, Caillebotte, Reynolds, Gainsborough...


.....nope they haven't been suppressed either.


and offers an alternative to the slanted art history
taught in "accredited" schools.


But as we've been able to demonstrate, ARC offers really bad art
history.


Like?


Dear me Mani, just a few months ago you profided a link from the site
based on a forged New York Times article.



It has the potential to be an excellent site on 19th century academic
art but lost
the chance by succumbing to factually inaccurate conspiracy theories.

In the meantime one would better spend one's time with:

R. Rosenblum & H. W. Janson, 19th Century Art. New York: Harry N.
Abrams, Inc., 1994.

Here's a fairly typical syllabus for an art history course. What is
"slanted" about it?

http://www.uml.edu/Dept/History/ArtHistory/19cent.htm

I haven't taken that course. Sounds like it all leads up to the usual
Cezanne.

Have taken art history and youll'd think the only artists of the late
period were the impressionists.


What no Barbizon school , Rodin, Munch, Hodler, Toulouse Latrec,
Gauguin, Ensor, Singer Sargent? There's a really nice painting by
Ivan Nikolaevich Kramskoy in the Rosenblum and Janson. What do you
think of it?



Among other things it suggests
schools that offer an alternitive to those which teach a creed instead
of a craft.


But ARC has it's own creed, and a rather silly one based on the
writings of Ayn Rand.


Just lame brain Fox mentioned Rand, you repeat it. Its got nothing to
do with Rand.


Actually I mentioned it first. Try Googling Brian Yoder or Fred Ross
with Ayn Rand and see what you get.


I can't really think of a successful artwork that is not a combination
of both creed and craft nor an an accredited school that does not teach
both.


What's Vermeer's creed?


http://www.nga.gov/exhibitions/verm_2.shtm

However most art students and artists I see
have no craft.


Christopher and Mary Pratt, Pearlstein, Chuck Close, Ramos,
Morley, Richter etc. all exhibit traditional craft skills. Of course
there are many
other forms of craft which for some reason you refuse to acknowlege.


Here one can see and compare the alternitive to Modern academic Art
and decide about it for one self.


Well yeah they're mostly derrivative pastiches of superior artists.


Yeah and Modern Academic Art hasn't made it past 1923 Dada.



I would disagree but you haven't responded to my point that the
"Living Masters" ARC promotes mostly produce derrivative pastiches of
superior artists.



None of the "Living Masters" rank technically with Vermeer, van Eyck or
even Christopher and Mary Pratt, Pearlstein, Chuck Close, Ramos,
Morley, Richter etc.


Most of the artists in Modern Sections of museums create second rate
decorative wall covering. Usually the bigger, the worse it is.


Again I would disagree but you haven't responded to my point.

None of the "Living Masters" rank technically with Vermeer, van Eyck or
even Christopher and Mary Pratt, Pearlstein, Chuck Close, Ramos,
Morley, Richter etc.


And conceptually they're vapid so I wouldn't put them in the same rank
as Salle, Warhol, Clemente, Gary Hill etc...

So I've decided for myself and I really don't see why they deserve any
recognition beyond what they already have.


Before the advent of the net this
was not available.


No one was able to see commercial art before the Internet? Explain


So is all the artwork you dislike commercial?


No I was refuting you're rather silly notion that

"Here [At ARC] one can see and compare the alternitive to Modern
academic Art
and decide about it for one self.
Before the advent of the net this was not available."

by pointing out that commercial art by its very nature has always had a
great deal of public exposure.

Again since the "Living Masters" which you propose as the alternative
to work currently shown in museums have inferior craft/conceptual ideas
than the artists I mentioned, I really don't see why they deserve
greater recognition. Why do you believe they do?

  #84  
Old December 16th 05, 07:54 AM posted to alt.art.marketplace,rec.arts.fine,rec.collecting
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Mani Deli wrote:

But ARC has it's own creed, and a rather silly one based on the
writings of Ayn Rand.


Just lame brain Fox mentioned Rand, you repeat it. Its got nothing to
do with Rand.


"A work of art is the selective recreation of reality for the purpose
of communicating some aspect of what it means to be human or how we
perceive the world"

http://www.artrenewal.org/articles/2...ract/ross1.asp

Art is the selective recreation of reality according to the artist's
metaphysical
value-judgments ... Ayn Rand, The Romantic Manifesto

www.olist.com/docs/101-2002-6.pps


You were saying???

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Old December 16th 05, 04:22 PM posted to alt.art.marketplace,rec.arts.fine,rec.collecting
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Default Ping Mani Deli

I've asked you artsy fartsy ****wads
several times politely.

Would you PLEASE quit your ****ing
cross posting of your Kinkade rant
into alt.marketing.online.ebay

Please?

If you don't, I'm going to sign your
name to all the paintings down at
Denny's.


Craig


 




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