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Shill Bidding on eBay
On Feb 3, 2:26 pm, "John R. Yamamoto-Wilson"
wrote: I would have thought it could all have been done without unpleasantness, but I seem to be in the minority here. Right, because you are ALWAYS so pleasant and never, ever have a mean- sprited or nasty thing to say. John http://hypocrisyinjapan.org |
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Shill Bidding on eBay
I wrote:
I would have thought it could all have been done without unpleasantness, but I seem to be in the minority here. Right, because you are ALWAYS so pleasant Not at all. Though I hope I am never *gratuitously* unpleasant. and never, ever have a mean-sprited or nasty thing to say. You mean, if I'm mean-spirited and nasty it's all right for you to be? Sorry, Bob. It won't wash. Being gratuitously unpleasant is your speciality, not mine, and your response to this posting will no doubt prove it. John |
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Shill Bidding on eBay
On Feb 3, 7:36 pm, "John R. Yamamoto-Wilson"
wrote: I wrote: I would have thought it could all have been done without unpleasantness, but I seem to be in the minority here. Right, because you are ALWAYS so pleasant Not at all. Though I hope I am never *gratuitously* unpleasant. and never, ever have a mean-sprited or nasty thing to say. You mean, if I'm mean-spirited and nasty it's all right for you to be? Sorry, Bob. It won't wash. Being gratuitously unpleasant is your speciality, not mine, and your response to this posting will no doubt prove it. John Sorry Yammy but, like you say, it won't wash. Time and again your hypocrisy has been exposed to the world. Now your faulty, specious logic is on display as well. |
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Shill Bidding on eBay
I wrote:
Being gratuitously unpleasant is your speciality, not mine, and your response to this posting will no doubt prove it. Sorry Yammy Here we go! QED, I think. Time and again your hypocrisy has been exposed to the world. Yawn. Now your faulty, specious logic is on display as well. Bob, I am merely saying that you are much better at being mean-spirited and nasty than I am, and that every response you make will infallibly prove it. What's wrong with that? John |
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Shill Bidding on eBay
On Feb 3, 9:32 pm, "John R. Yamamoto-Wilson"
wrote: I wrote: Being gratuitously unpleasant is your speciality, not mine, and your response to this posting will no doubt prove it. Sorry Yammy Here we go! QED, I think. Time and again your hypocrisy has been exposed to the world. Yawn. Now your faulty, specious logic is on display as well. Bob, I am merely saying that you are much better at being mean-spirited and nasty than I am, and that every response you make will infallibly prove it. What's wrong with that? Yawn... |
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Shill Bidding on eBay
On Feb 2, 7:21 am, "
wrote: On Jan 31, 5:26 pm, "my-wings" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... I bought more than 200 eBay items in the last several years with no problem until now. This eBay seller had a reserve. When I asked him about the item conditions, he told me the reserve was at, i.e. $300. I put in my maximum bid at $311, considering the item value. When the bidding closed, there were 2 other bidders, one at $120 and the other one at $299. The second bidder has (0) bid history! He and the seller signed up with eBay about 2 months apart, more than 2 years ago. The seller did not have any eBay activities in the last 14 months. Since this seems like a typical shill bidding, I reported the issue to eBay 3 days ago and received an automatic reply from eBay saying they consider shill bidding a "serious" violation and they will investigate the report within 24 hours. I sent eBay another email yesterday to check on the report status and once again received the same automatic reply from eBay. Two questions arise: 1. How do you folks handle eBay shill bidding problem ? If I do not pay, the seller can leave me a negative feedback. My current feedback is 100%. 2. What is your experience with eBay when you need their help ? Is there anything else I can do ? Thanx, Calvin I agree with John Y-W and others. It's unlikely that this is shill bidding, because it wouldn't have affected the outcome of the auction. You are incorrect to think that no one would have won. *You* would have won, because the highest bid over the reserve wins the auction. Even if there were no other bids at all, the auction price would have jumped to $300 as soon as you placed your $311 bid, because you were the only bidder higher than the reserve.http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/buyer-reserve.html The only reason for the seller to have arranged the $299 as a shill bid would be so that any other bidder would be forced to bid at least the reserve. Theoretically, it could have saved the seller from listing fees for a $299 item. But if that were the motive, it wasn't done correctly. For something like that to work, you would need two shill bids. One at $294 and the second at $299. But *you* couldn't have gotten the item for under $300 in any case. I also wouldn't place too much credence in the fact that these accounts were created two months apart. According to the eBay website, there are more than 100 million people using eBay. There is absolutely nothing astounding about the fact that a seller and a bidder have accounts created within eight weeks of each other. What happened is that someone bid $120, then another bidder came in at $299, which showed up as $122.50 (one increment over the next highest bid) until you came along. As soon as your $311 bid was placed, the full value of the second bid showed because now your bid was higher. You didn't mention whether your bid then jumped to $304 (one increment higher than the $299 bid) or whether it remained at $300. In any case, you got the item at a price you were willing to pay, and the prior bids made almost no difference in the outcome. Caution is a fine thing, but in this case, you got what you wanted at the price you were willing to pay, and there's just not enough evidence of anything underhanded to lose a second's sleep over. (In my opinion.) Alice- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'd like to thank Alice, John Y-W and others for your postings. I will proceed with the payment. Among other things, I also learned that there are even "the Good, the Bad and the Ugly" in RCB world! :-))) More accurate to say, "the good, the bad, and the VICIOUS." 'Nuff said [Memo from the upstairs office.] Calvin- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Shill Bidding on eBay
On Feb 5, 7:04 pm, wrote:
More accurate to say, "the good, the bad, and the VICIOUS." Or, in your case, "the good, the bad and the inanely pompous" |
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Shill Bidding on eBay
On 2007-01-31 07:25:53 -0800, "
said: I bought more than 200 eBay items in the last several years with no problem until now. This eBay seller had a reserve. When I asked him about the item conditions, he told me the reserve was at, i.e. $300. I put in my maximum bid at $311, considering the item value. When the bidding closed, there were 2 other bidders, one at $120 and the other one at $299. The second bidder has (0) bid history! He and the seller signed up with eBay about 2 months apart, more than 2 years ago. The seller did not have any eBay activities in the last 14 months. Since this seems like a typical shill bidding, I reported the issue to eBay 3 days ago and received an automatic reply from eBay saying they consider shill bidding a "serious" violation and they will investigate the report within 24 hours. I sent eBay another email yesterday to check on the report status and once again received the same automatic reply from eBay. Two questions arise: 1. How do you folks handle eBay shill bidding problem ? If I do not pay, the seller can leave me a negative feedback. My current feedback is 100%. 2. What is your experience with eBay when you need their help ? Is there anything else I can do ? Thanx, Calvin This makes no sense. When you placed your $311 bid, you would have met the reserve and the current high bid would have gone up to the reserve price of $300. Ebay will not allow you to bid below the current high bid, so it would not have been possible for anyone to bid $120 and $299 after you placed your bid. |
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Shill Bidding on eBay
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:43:47 -0700, chronic wrote:
On 2007-01-31 07:25:53 -0800, " said: I bought more than 200 eBay items in the last several years with no problem until now. This eBay seller had a reserve. When I asked him about the item conditions, he told me the reserve was at, i.e. $300. I put in my maximum bid at $311, considering the item value. When the bidding closed, there were 2 other bidders, one at $120 and the other one at $299. The second bidder has (0) bid history! He and the seller signed up with eBay about 2 months apart, more than 2 years ago. The seller did not have any eBay activities in the last 14 months. Since this seems like a typical shill bidding, I reported the issue to eBay 3 days ago and received an automatic reply from eBay saying they consider shill bidding a "serious" violation and they will investigate the report within 24 hours. I sent eBay another email yesterday to check on the report status and once again received the same automatic reply from eBay. Two questions arise: 1. How do you folks handle eBay shill bidding problem ? If I do not pay, the seller can leave me a negative feedback. My current feedback is 100%. 2. What is your experience with eBay when you need their help ? Is there anything else I can do ? Thanx, Calvin This makes no sense. When you placed your $311 bid, you would have met the reserve and the current high bid would have gone up to the reserve price of $300. Ebay will not allow you to bid below the current high bid, so it would not have been possible for anyone to bid $120 and $299 after you placed your bid. Assuming the reserve actually was $300. The OP didn;t mention what happened when his $311 bid was placed. Why shill bid @$299 anyway and put a reserve of $300? |
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Shill Bidding on eBay
On Mar 14, 7:09 am, Denton Taylor wrote:
Assuming the reserve actually was $300. The OP didn;t mention what happened when his $311 bid was placed. Why shill bid @$299 anyway and put a reserve of $300? The OP presented no concrete evidence of shilling. In any event and as stated in this thread many times, a bid OVER the reserve would immediately set the bid amount to the reserve amount, regardless of how many bids, shill or otherwise, were made below the reserve price. |
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