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  #21  
Old February 3rd 07, 08:33 PM posted to rec.collecting.books
RWF
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On Feb 3, 2:26 pm, "John R. Yamamoto-Wilson"
wrote:

I would have thought it could all have been done without unpleasantness,
but I seem to be in the minority here.


Right, because you are ALWAYS so pleasant and never, ever have a mean-
sprited or nasty thing to say.

John http://hypocrisyinjapan.org



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  #22  
Old February 4th 07, 01:36 AM posted to rec.collecting.books
John R. Yamamoto-Wilson
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I wrote:

I would have thought it could all have been done without
unpleasantness, but I seem to be in the minority here.


Right, because you are ALWAYS so pleasant


Not at all. Though I hope I am never *gratuitously* unpleasant.

and never, ever have a mean-sprited or nasty thing to say.


You mean, if I'm mean-spirited and nasty it's all right for you to be?

Sorry, Bob. It won't wash. Being gratuitously unpleasant is your
speciality, not mine, and your response to this posting will no doubt
prove it.

John
  #23  
Old February 4th 07, 03:09 AM posted to rec.collecting.books
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On Feb 3, 7:36 pm, "John R. Yamamoto-Wilson"
wrote:
I wrote:
I would have thought it could all have been done without
unpleasantness, but I seem to be in the minority here.


Right, because you are ALWAYS so pleasant


Not at all. Though I hope I am never *gratuitously* unpleasant.

and never, ever have a mean-sprited or nasty thing to say.


You mean, if I'm mean-spirited and nasty it's all right for you to be?

Sorry, Bob. It won't wash. Being gratuitously unpleasant is your
speciality, not mine, and your response to this posting will no doubt
prove it.

John


Sorry Yammy but, like you say, it won't wash.
Time and again your hypocrisy has been exposed to the world.
Now your faulty, specious logic is on display as well.

  #24  
Old February 4th 07, 03:32 AM posted to rec.collecting.books
John R. Yamamoto-Wilson
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Default Shill Bidding on eBay

I wrote:

Being gratuitously unpleasant is your speciality, not mine,
and your response to this posting will no doubt prove it.


Sorry Yammy


Here we go! QED, I think.

Time and again your hypocrisy has been exposed to the world.


Yawn.

Now your faulty, specious logic is on display as well.


Bob, I am merely saying that you are much better at being mean-spirited
and nasty than I am, and that every response you make will infallibly
prove it. What's wrong with that?

John
  #25  
Old February 4th 07, 04:04 AM posted to rec.collecting.books
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On Feb 3, 9:32 pm, "John R. Yamamoto-Wilson"
wrote:
I wrote:
Being gratuitously unpleasant is your speciality, not mine,
and your response to this posting will no doubt prove it.

Sorry Yammy


Here we go! QED, I think.

Time and again your hypocrisy has been exposed to the world.


Yawn.

Now your faulty, specious logic is on display as well.


Bob, I am merely saying that you are much better at being mean-spirited
and nasty than I am, and that every response you make will infallibly
prove it. What's wrong with that?


Yawn...


  #26  
Old February 6th 07, 01:04 AM posted to rec.collecting.books
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On Feb 2, 7:21 am, "
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On Jan 31, 5:26 pm, "my-wings" wrote:





wrote in message


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I bought more than 200 eBay items in the last several years with no
problem until now.


This eBay seller had a reserve. When I asked him about the item
conditions, he told me the reserve was at, i.e. $300. I put in my
maximum bid at $311, considering the item value.


When the bidding closed, there were 2 other bidders, one at $120 and
the other one at $299. The second bidder has (0) bid history! He and
the seller signed up with eBay about 2 months apart, more than 2 years
ago. The seller did not have any eBay activities in the last 14
months.


Since this seems like a typical shill bidding, I reported the issue to
eBay 3 days ago and received an automatic reply from eBay saying they
consider shill bidding a "serious" violation and they will investigate
the report within 24 hours.


I sent eBay another email yesterday to check on the report status and
once again received the same automatic reply from eBay.


Two questions arise:


1. How do you folks handle eBay shill bidding problem ? If I do not
pay, the seller can leave me a negative feedback. My current feedback
is 100%.


2. What is your experience with eBay when you need their help ? Is
there anything else I can do ?


Thanx,


Calvin


I agree with John Y-W and others. It's unlikely that this is shill bidding,
because it wouldn't have affected the outcome of the auction. You are
incorrect to think that no one would have won. *You* would have won, because
the highest bid over the reserve wins the auction. Even if there were no
other bids at all, the auction price would have jumped to $300 as soon as
you placed your $311 bid, because you were the only bidder higher than the
reserve.http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/buyer-reserve.html


The only reason for the seller to have arranged the $299 as a shill bid
would be so that any other bidder would be forced to bid at least the
reserve. Theoretically, it could have saved the seller from listing fees for
a $299 item. But if that were the motive, it wasn't done correctly. For
something like that to work, you would need two shill bids. One at $294 and
the second at $299. But *you* couldn't have gotten the item for under $300
in any case.


I also wouldn't place too much credence in the fact that these accounts were
created two months apart. According to the eBay website, there are more than
100 million people using eBay. There is absolutely nothing astounding about
the fact that a seller and a bidder have accounts created within eight weeks
of each other.


What happened is that someone bid $120, then another bidder came in at $299,
which showed up as $122.50 (one increment over the next highest bid) until
you came along. As soon as your $311 bid was placed, the full value of the
second bid showed because now your bid was higher. You didn't mention
whether your bid then jumped to $304 (one increment higher than the $299
bid) or whether it remained at $300. In any case, you got the item at a
price you were willing to pay, and the prior bids made almost no difference
in the outcome.


Caution is a fine thing, but in this case, you got what you wanted at the
price you were willing to pay, and there's just not enough evidence of
anything underhanded to lose a second's sleep over. (In my opinion.)


Alice- Hide quoted text -


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I'd like to thank Alice, John Y-W and others for your postings.

I will proceed with the payment. Among other things, I also learned
that there are even "the Good, the Bad and the Ugly" in RCB
world! :-)))


More accurate to say, "the good, the bad, and the VICIOUS."
'Nuff said

[Memo from the upstairs office.]

Calvin- Hide quoted text -

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  #27  
Old February 6th 07, 04:48 PM posted to rec.collecting.books
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On Feb 5, 7:04 pm, wrote:

More accurate to say, "the good, the bad, and the VICIOUS."


Or, in your case, "the good, the bad and the inanely pompous"

  #28  
Old March 12th 07, 07:43 AM posted to rec.collecting.books
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On 2007-01-31 07:25:53 -0800, "
said:


I bought more than 200 eBay items in the last several years with no
problem until now.

This eBay seller had a reserve. When I asked him about the item
conditions, he told me the reserve was at, i.e. $300. I put in my
maximum bid at $311, considering the item value.

When the bidding closed, there were 2 other bidders, one at $120 and
the other one at $299. The second bidder has (0) bid history! He and
the seller signed up with eBay about 2 months apart, more than 2 years
ago. The seller did not have any eBay activities in the last 14
months.

Since this seems like a typical shill bidding, I reported the issue to
eBay 3 days ago and received an automatic reply from eBay saying they
consider shill bidding a "serious" violation and they will investigate
the report within 24 hours.

I sent eBay another email yesterday to check on the report status and
once again received the same automatic reply from eBay.

Two questions arise:

1. How do you folks handle eBay shill bidding problem ? If I do not
pay, the seller can leave me a negative feedback. My current feedback
is 100%.

2. What is your experience with eBay when you need their help ? Is
there anything else I can do ?

Thanx,

Calvin


This makes no sense. When you placed your $311 bid, you would have met
the reserve and the current high bid would have gone up to the reserve
price of $300. Ebay will not allow you to bid below the current high
bid, so it would not have been possible for anyone to bid $120 and $299
after you placed your bid.

  #29  
Old March 14th 07, 12:09 PM posted to rec.collecting.books
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:43:47 -0700, chronic wrote:

On 2007-01-31 07:25:53 -0800, "
said:


I bought more than 200 eBay items in the last several years with no
problem until now.

This eBay seller had a reserve. When I asked him about the item
conditions, he told me the reserve was at, i.e. $300. I put in my
maximum bid at $311, considering the item value.

When the bidding closed, there were 2 other bidders, one at $120 and
the other one at $299. The second bidder has (0) bid history! He and
the seller signed up with eBay about 2 months apart, more than 2 years
ago. The seller did not have any eBay activities in the last 14
months.

Since this seems like a typical shill bidding, I reported the issue to
eBay 3 days ago and received an automatic reply from eBay saying they
consider shill bidding a "serious" violation and they will investigate
the report within 24 hours.

I sent eBay another email yesterday to check on the report status and
once again received the same automatic reply from eBay.

Two questions arise:

1. How do you folks handle eBay shill bidding problem ? If I do not
pay, the seller can leave me a negative feedback. My current feedback
is 100%.

2. What is your experience with eBay when you need their help ? Is
there anything else I can do ?

Thanx,

Calvin


This makes no sense. When you placed your $311 bid, you would have met
the reserve and the current high bid would have gone up to the reserve
price of $300. Ebay will not allow you to bid below the current high
bid, so it would not have been possible for anyone to bid $120 and $299
after you placed your bid.


Assuming the reserve actually was $300. The OP didn;t mention what
happened when his $311 bid was placed. Why shill bid @$299 anyway and
put a reserve of $300?
  #30  
Old March 14th 07, 01:24 PM posted to rec.collecting.books
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On Mar 14, 7:09 am, Denton Taylor wrote:

Assuming the reserve actually was $300. The OP didn;t mention what
happened when his $311 bid was placed. Why shill bid @$299 anyway and
put a reserve of $300?


The OP presented no concrete evidence of shilling.
In any event and as stated in this thread many times, a bid OVER the
reserve would immediately set the bid amount to the reserve amount,
regardless of how many bids, shill or otherwise, were made below the
reserve price.



 




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