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Shill Bidding on eBay
I bought more than 200 eBay items in the last several years with no problem until now. This eBay seller had a reserve. When I asked him about the item conditions, he told me the reserve was at, i.e. $300. I put in my maximum bid at $311, considering the item value. When the bidding closed, there were 2 other bidders, one at $120 and the other one at $299. The second bidder has (0) bid history! He and the seller signed up with eBay about 2 months apart, more than 2 years ago. The seller did not have any eBay activities in the last 14 months. Since this seems like a typical shill bidding, I reported the issue to eBay 3 days ago and received an automatic reply from eBay saying they consider shill bidding a "serious" violation and they will investigate the report within 24 hours. I sent eBay another email yesterday to check on the report status and once again received the same automatic reply from eBay. Two questions arise: 1. How do you folks handle eBay shill bidding problem ? If I do not pay, the seller can leave me a negative feedback. My current feedback is 100%. 2. What is your experience with eBay when you need their help ? Is there anything else I can do ? Thanx, Calvin |
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Shill Bidding on eBay
Calvin wrote in message
oups.com... This eBay seller had a reserve. When I asked him about the item conditions, he told me the reserve was at, i.e. $300. I put in my maximum bid at $311, considering the item value. When the bidding closed, there were 2 other bidders, one at $120 and the other one at $299. The second bidder has (0) bid history! He and the seller signed up with eBay about 2 months apart, more than 2 years ago. The seller did not have any eBay activities in the last 14 months. Since this seems like a typical shill bidding, I reported the issue to eBay 3 days ago and received an automatic reply from eBay saying they consider shill bidding a "serious" violation and they will investigate the report within 24 hours. . . . 1. How do you folks handle eBay shill bidding problem ? If I do not pay, the seller can leave me a negative feedback. My current feedback is 100%. This inquiry seems to confuse two issues. #1 = This item. Calvin bid what he thought was a fair price, and knew was 4 per cent over the reserve price. He now considers declining to make the purchase. #2 = Shill bidding. However deplorable, if either of the other bids here was from a shill, it could not have bought the item for sale, because less than the reserve price. Calvin remains the only bidder over the reserve price. This means, if Calvin now is reluctant to compete the purchase, he would need a reason acceptable to eBay. Is he seeking the reason from RCB users? -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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Shill Bidding on eBay
wrote in message oups.com... 1. How do you folks handle eBay shill bidding You might be better off posting this in a shill collecting group. We only know about book bidding. |
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Shill Bidding on eBay
On Jan 31, 9:12 am, "foaddoc" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... 1. How do you folks handle eBay shill bidding You might be better off posting this in a shill collecting group. We only know about book bidding. I am sorry for the confusion. "Shill bidding" is defined as an artificial bidding to raise the price in favor of the seller. If the bidder with (0) history bid at $298, my bid would come in at $299, under the reserve price and NO ONE won that item, i.e. a rare book! If you ever bid on eBay, how would you feel when you encounter shill bidding ? |
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Shill Bidding on eBay
This inquiry seems to confuse two issues. #1 = This item. Calvin bid what he thought was a fair price, and knew was 4 per cent over the reserve price. He now considers declining to make the purchase. #2 = Shill bidding. However deplorable, if either of the other bids here was from a shill, it could not have bought the item for sale, because less than the reserve price. Calvin remains the only bidder over the reserve price. This means, if Calvin now is reluctant to compete the purchase, he would need a reason acceptable to eBay. Is he seeking the reason from RCB users? -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There was no confusion in the inquiry. Even though my maximum bid was 4% over the reserve price, if the shill bidding was not there, my bid would come in at $121, $1 over the genuine bidding and well under the reserve price. NO ONE won that item. I've expected all biddings should be done with honesty. Would you expect the same in the virtual world ? |
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Shill Bidding on eBay
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When the bidding closed, there were 2 other bidders, one at $120 and the other one at $299. The second bidder has (0) bid history! He and the seller signed up with eBay about 2 months apart, more than 2 years ago. The seller did not have any eBay activities in the last 14 months. Since this seems like a typical shill bidding $299 does seem an odd amount to bid, but you really don't have any evidence that this is a shill. How close to the end of the auction were these bids made? Isn't the point of a shill bid to encourage other bidders? In which case, unless they were made with at least a few hours to spare before the end of the auction there wouldn't really be much point. John http://rarebooksinjapan.org |
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Shill Bidding on eBay
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There was no confusion in the inquiry. Even though my maximum bid was 4% over the reserve price, if the shill bidding was not there, my bid would come in at $121, $1 over the genuine bidding and well under the reserve price. NO ONE won that item. I think you're wrong about that. If your bid is lower than the reserve then, yes, it will come out at just over the next highest bidder. But if you break the reserve then it will come out at just higher than the reserve. At least, I think that's the case; there doesn't seem much point in there being a reserve if someone - like you - can meet it and still not win the item. You could check this on alt.marketing.ebay. I've expected all biddings should be done with honesty. Would you expect the same in the virtual world ? That's a different matter. You could check the bidding on other items by this seller, to see if there's a pattern, but shill bidding is hard to prove and (unless things have changed recently) eBay isn't that hot on chasing up possible abuses. I don't suppose you'll buy from that seller again, feeling as you do, and you might not want to give positive feedback, but you valued the item at $300+ and it seems only reasonable that, having bid on it and won it, you now go ahead and pay for it. John http://rarebooksinjapan.org |
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Shill Bidding on eBay
On Jan 31, 12:46 pm, "
wrote: There was no confusion in the inquiry. Even though my maximum bid was 4% over the reserve price, if the shill bidding was not there, my bid would come in at $121, $1 over the genuine bidding and well under the reserve price. NO ONE won that item. I've expected all biddings should be done with honesty. Would you expect the same in the virtual world ? The point is that even if there was shill bidding, if the shill bidding was under the reserve price it has no effect on the outcome of the auction. William M. Klimon http://www.gateofbliss.com |
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Shill Bidding on eBay
pay the seller......asshole!
wrote in message oups.com... I bought more than 200 eBay items in the last several years with no problem until now. This eBay seller had a reserve. When I asked him about the item conditions, he told me the reserve was at, i.e. $300. I put in my maximum bid at $311, considering the item value. When the bidding closed, there were 2 other bidders, one at $120 and the other one at $299. The second bidder has (0) bid history! He and the seller signed up with eBay about 2 months apart, more than 2 years ago. The seller did not have any eBay activities in the last 14 months. Since this seems like a typical shill bidding, I reported the issue to eBay 3 days ago and received an automatic reply from eBay saying they consider shill bidding a "serious" violation and they will investigate the report within 24 hours. I sent eBay another email yesterday to check on the report status and once again received the same automatic reply from eBay. Two questions arise: 1. How do you folks handle eBay shill bidding problem ? If I do not pay, the seller can leave me a negative feedback. My current feedback is 100%. 2. What is your experience with eBay when you need their help ? Is there anything else I can do ? Thanx, Calvin |
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