My experience with NCS

"Bruce Hickmott" wrote in message


They phoned me 7/21 to let me know I needed to join NGC. The lady on
the phone was most helpful and gave me a temporary submitter number
so the coin wouldn't be held up by the paperwork.

On Aug 19, the Washington arrives. I guess NGC had already shipped!
It's now completely white, no trace of toning at all and in an NGC 68
slab. I looked at it under 30x and I could see no traces of what I
KNOW was done. Excellent work. Alas, my camera is out on loan and
I've mailed that coin back to the original owner. He may comment and
post photos if he so chooses. They returned the ANACS label from the
slab as well.

Bruce



How does one qualify and what was one need to do to become an authorized
NCS/NGC submitter?

When a coin that has been "conserved" gets placed in an NGC slab, does the
label indicate that it has been conserved?

--
Ed Hendricks
ANA# R178621
eBay: edh.

"Nooker" wrote in message

Ed Hendricks asked:

How does one qualify and what was one need to do to become an
authorized NCS/NGC submitter?

ya have to sign up for their Collectors Society, $99, and get 4
submissions for free

When a coin that has been "conserved" gets placed in an NGC slab,
does the label indicate that it has been conserved?


nope, no indication whatsoever


Thanks. I'm giving it some serious thought. I have a few coins that need
some "conservation". Including a PCGS MS-64 Albany that, IMO, is butt
ugly. :-) I wonder what would happen if I had the thing "conserved" by NCS
and then resubmitted it to PCGS. Would they body bag it?

--
Ed Hendricks
ANA# R178621
eBay: edh.

On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:01:42 GMT, "Ed Hendricks"
is alleged to have written:

"Bruce Hickmott" wrote in message


They phoned me 7/21 to let me know I needed to join NGC. The lady on
the phone was most helpful and gave me a temporary submitter number
so the coin wouldn't be held up by the paperwork.

On Aug 19, the Washington arrives. I guess NGC had already shipped!
It's now completely white, no trace of toning at all and in an NGC 68
slab. I looked at it under 30x and I could see no traces of what I
KNOW was done. Excellent work. Alas, my camera is out on loan and
I've mailed that coin back to the original owner. He may comment and
post photos if he so chooses. They returned the ANACS label from the
slab as well.

Bruce



How does one qualify and what was one need to do to become an authorized
NCS/NGC submitter?



For NCS, just go to their web page or phone them and they'll send you a packet
with everything you need. I had my packet two days after I made my phone call.
For NGC, if you're an ANA member it's automatic. They print the applications in
almost every edition of the Numismatist. And if you get into a crunch, they'll
issue a temporary number just to keep things moving. You do not have to be an
NCS member to submit to NGC or vice versa, but if you want NCS to send the coins
across the hall when they're done you'll need to be an NGC member too.


When a coin that has been "conserved" gets placed in an NGC slab, does the
label indicate that it has been conserved?

No. I looked at 30x at Bob's coin where I KNEW the bad toning was. Carefully. At
various angles. I could see no evidence of their work. So I'm not sure it needs
to be labeled that way. Regardless, it'll never happen. Dealers would have the
coins returned to them raw and then resubmit to avoid that label.

For my next experiment: We all know that if you dip a coin one too many times,
you'll destroy the luster. I wonder how many times a coin can be conserved
without that happening? I asked NCS, and while they wouldn't discuss with me the
various techniques they use, they said that should never be a concern. What i'm
going to do is dip a coin lightly, then put it in an envelope to tone ugly.
Dipped coins tone uglier and quicker than undipped has been my experience. Then
I shall send it into NCS to remove the ugly toning. When it comes back, if it
doesn't show bad luster, I'll dip it lightly once more and retoned it. Then back
it goes. We'll see what it looks like.

Bruce

"Bruce Hickmott" wrote in message


For my next experiment: We all know that if you dip a coin one too
many times, you'll destroy the luster. I wonder how many times a coin
can be conserved without that happening? I asked NCS, and while they
wouldn't discuss with me the various techniques they use, they said
that should never be a concern. What i'm going to do is dip a coin
lightly, then put it in an envelope to tone ugly. Dipped coins tone
uglier and quicker than undipped has been my experience. Then I shall
send it into NCS to remove the ugly toning. When it comes back, if it
doesn't show bad luster, I'll dip it lightly once more and retoned
it. Then back it goes. We'll see what it looks like.

Bruce

Thanks for the in depth answer. And good luck with your experiment. Let us
know how it turns out.

--
Ed Hendricks
ANA# R178621
eBay: edh.

Stujoe wrote:
I would be interested in seeing the after pics from this one (and
really any NCS before/after pictures). I think it is interesting to
see the work done and get an idea of what they can (and can't) do.

Here's the full progression of my test coin:
http://www.flaminio.com/temp/wash.htm

It's finished its journey, having passed through all of the major
certification services. Like I've said, it's just one data point, and
you can draw whatever conclusions from its experience you may like.

--
Bob

Bob,

Very interesting. How do you grade the coin?

Art

"Bob Flaminio" wrote in message
...
Stujoe wrote:
I would be interested in seeing the after pics from this one (and
really any NCS before/after pictures). I think it is interesting to
see the work done and get an idea of what they can (and can't) do.

Here's the full progression of my test coin:
http://www.flaminio.com/temp/wash.htm

It's finished its journey, having passed through all of the major
certification services. Like I've said, it's just one data point, and
you can draw whatever conclusions from its experience you may like.

--
Bob

In article , Bob Flaminio
spoke thusly...
Art O'Connell wrote:
Very interesting. How do you grade the coin?

I think in pure technical terms it's a 67 -- ANACS got it right. The
yellow blotches that were on the coin before NCS "conserved" it didn't
do the eye appeal particularly well, which is probably why ICG and PCGS
gave it a 66. I think it's still a 67, and NGC swung a little high on
it. It is my opinion that NGC is a little too loose with moderns -- the
market bears this out, at least for this species. One would be lucky to
get $20 for an NGC 68 in the open market, while ICG 68s have sold for
more than this. (Obviously, PCGS 68s do as well. As far as ANACS, I've
never seen an ANACS 68 for sale, but then again, there are only five of
them (I have one).)

Bottom line, for me -- it was a yucky 67 before the cleaning, a nice 67
afterward.

Thanks for the follow up Bob. It makes for an interesting progression
through the services.

--
Stu Miller
Coins in the News - Coin Newspaper (Updated Daily):
http://www.TheStujoeCollection.com/news.htm

In article ,
says...
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:16:02 -0700, Bob Flaminio wrote:

Stujoe wrote:
I would be interested in seeing the after pics from this one (and
really any NCS before/after pictures). I think it is interesting to
see the work done and get an idea of what they can (and can't) do.

Here's the full progression of my test coin:
http://www.flaminio.com/temp/wash.htm

It's finished its journey, having passed through all of the major
certification services. Like I've said, it's just one data point, and
you can draw whatever conclusions from its experience you may like.

Cools, thanks for posting this.

You have done us all a great service. But I am curious as to how ANACS
was able to enlarge that coin.
--
Copper is as copper does.

Joe Schell wrote:
Cools, thanks for posting this.

You have done us all a great service. But I am curious as to how ANACS
was able to enlarge that coin.

Just one of those special ANACS features :-D. But seriously, I scanned
that one at work, and must've had the settings set differently. I didn't
realize it until I had already sent the coin along to Bruce, otherwise I
would've rescanned it at home.

--
Bob