Belgium 1934 Lion on Shield

I am currently checking my accumulation of this stamp and I have a
couple of queries on the 10c value.

1.This is only shown as one shade in the Gibbons benelux catalogue.
There appears to be a wide variety of shades from a pale wishy-washy
khaki colour to a quite dark brown shade. Does anyone have any info.
on this.

2. I have a copy which appears to flouresce white under a long-wave
lamp. It has a very clear " Namur 7.3.45" datestamp and is a very pale
colour. A similar query regarding a Swedish stamp elsewhere elicited a
suggestion that the stamp had been bleached.However this stamp
exhibits no evidence that it has been grubby and creased so why would
anyone bleach it? ( attempt to clean off the cancel perhaps ?)

3. The raised leg on the lion has usually 3 short lines of marking on
it. I have three copies where this appears to have been replaced by a
single dot. This spot is in exactly the same place on each copy. Was
this stamp redrawn/retouched during its very long period of use?

In general the production quality of this stamp appears to be very
poor compared with many stamps prior and after. Perhaps some of this
can be explained by much of the production being undertaken in wartime
with the lack of resources ( and skilled staff?). I am really keen on
definitive stamps but I find myself handicapped by the lack of info.
in even quite specialised catalogues, and the only way forward is
often to compare stamps closely and then ask questions on any
anomalies that come to light.

Any info. greatly appreciated. More queries might follow if I get some
joy here.

Malcolm

G'day Malcolm,
just watching the thread as an onlooker,
I presume "State Arms" issue.
My SG simplified shows 1936
My Belgian "Officiele Catalogus" shows Feb 1935

The 10c there is listed as 420 Olijf
with one variation (a) Olijfzwart olive-black?



"malcolm" wrote in message
...
I am currently checking my accumulation of this stamp and I have a
couple of queries on the 10c value.

1.This is only shown as one shade in the Gibbons benelux catalogue.
There appears to be a wide variety of shades from a pale wishy-washy
khaki colour to a quite dark brown shade. Does anyone have any info.
on this.

2. I have a copy which appears to flouresce white under a long-wave
lamp. It has a very clear " Namur 7.3.45" datestamp and is a very pale
colour. A similar query regarding a Swedish stamp elsewhere elicited a
suggestion that the stamp had been bleached.However this stamp
exhibits no evidence that it has been grubby and creased so why would
anyone bleach it? ( attempt to clean off the cancel perhaps ?)

3. The raised leg on the lion has usually 3 short lines of marking on
it. I have three copies where this appears to have been replaced by a
single dot. This spot is in exactly the same place on each copy. Was
this stamp redrawn/retouched during its very long period of use?

In general the production quality of this stamp appears to be very
poor compared with many stamps prior and after. Perhaps some of this
can be explained by much of the production being undertaken in wartime
with the lack of resources ( and skilled staff?). I am really keen on
definitive stamps but I find myself handicapped by the lack of info.
in even quite specialised catalogues, and the only way forward is
often to compare stamps closely and then ask questions on any
anomalies that come to light.

Any info. greatly appreciated. More queries might follow if I get some
joy here.

Malcolm

"malcolm"
3. The raised leg on the lion has usually 3 short lines of marking on
it. I have three copies where this appears to have been replaced by a
single dot. This spot is in exactly the same place on each copy. Was
this stamp redrawn/retouched during its very long period of use?

Are my eyes deceiving me? or are there two printing processes
employed with that series?
My wish list would include a small utility, that would take two
scans and flip rapidly between the two repetatively.
I'd use that for my Aus KG sideface.
I currently use the wheel on my scroll mouse.

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:57:00 -0800 (PST), malcolm
wrote:

I am currently checking my accumulation of this stamp and I have a
couple of queries on the 10c value.

1.This is only shown as one shade in the Gibbons benelux catalogue.
There appears to be a wide variety of shades from a pale wishy-washy
khaki colour to a quite dark brown shade. Does anyone have any info.
on this.

2. I have a copy which appears to flouresce white under a long-wave
lamp. It has a very clear " Namur 7.3.45" datestamp and is a very pale
colour. A similar query regarding a Swedish stamp elsewhere elicited a
suggestion that the stamp had been bleached.However this stamp
exhibits no evidence that it has been grubby and creased so why would
anyone bleach it? ( attempt to clean off the cancel perhaps ?)

3. The raised leg on the lion has usually 3 short lines of marking on
it. I have three copies where this appears to have been replaced by a
single dot. This spot is in exactly the same place on each copy. Was
this stamp redrawn/retouched during its very long period of use?

In general the production quality of this stamp appears to be very
poor compared with many stamps prior and after. Perhaps some of this
can be explained by much of the production being undertaken in wartime
with the lack of resources ( and skilled staff?). I am really keen on
definitive stamps but I find myself handicapped by the lack of info.
in even quite specialised catalogues, and the only way forward is
often to compare stamps closely and then ask questions on any
anomalies that come to light.

Any info. greatly appreciated. More queries might follow if I get some
joy here.

Lessee... Petit sceau de l'Etat... Hopefully, these are the
non-overprinted / precancel stamps.

Scott states that "several stamps of type A82 exist in various
shades". Type A82 is your stamp. It is supposed to be olive bister.

Willy Balasse gives us olive and black-olive, plus some varieties but
nothing about the leg nor fluorescent.

National Prinet 1974 tells us black olive, brown olive and bright
olive. Different varieties, but nothing to do with the leg.

Lessee what COB states... Olive and deep olive.

All the specialized catalogs mention about varieties with the upper
Belgique "E" and the lower right 10 C, but nothing about the leg or
fluorescent coatings.

I could look at my copies to see if there are any similarities.

From what I have seen working with Belgian typographed stamps is that
there have been many color nuances across the board, especially with
type Houyoux 1922-1927, roi Albert 1921-1925 / 1929-1941 and lion
heraldique" 1929-1932. I'd add the Poortman issues and others,
straight through WWII.

Hope this helps some.

"rodney" wrote in message
...
| My wish list would include a small utility, that would take two
| scans and flip rapidly between the two repetatively.
| I'd use that for my Aus KG sideface.
| I currently use the wheel on my scroll mouse.

I will keep that in mind. Mechanical 'flipping' is the way astronomers
used to find objects that move relative to the steady background of stars
(planets, asteroids, comets).

tjr
\

"Terry Reedy"
I will keep that in mind. Mechanical 'flipping' is the way astronomers
used to find objects that move relative to the steady background of stars
(planets, asteroids, comets).


Indeed Terry,
that's how they deduce a distant planet has a moon,
the flipping reveals a position "wobble" of the planet caused by the
gravitational pull of the moon.

Google "blink comparator".

Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi
www.jaypex.com


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says...


My wish list would include a small utility, that would take two
scans and flip rapidly between the two repetatively.
I'd use that for my Aus KG sideface.
I currently use the wheel on my scroll mouse.

"Jay T. Carrigan"
Google "blink comparator".

Thanks Jay,
I was browsing away, then it dawned...
talk about blinded by the blinking obvious,
I used my ACDSee image program
set the delay to 90 milliseconds, selected the two stamps
and hit "slide show"
I had it all the time, and didn't realise.

Rodney,

these stamps were printed by the Post Office Printing Works in Mechelen
[Malines] in typography in printer's sheets of 4x100 probably. Unlike the
postwar definitives there are hardly any different types of paper used -
certainly no fluorescence as OBA [optical brightening agents] as that type
of material turned up in the late 50-ies.

I don't know of any specialist articles about them that go farther than
describing the occasional printer's waste [perforations etc]. and that
hasn't got anything to do with philately imho....

groetjes, Rein


Op Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:55:55 +0100 schreef rodney
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"malcolm"
3. The raised leg on the lion has usually 3 short lines of marking on
it. I have three copies where this appears to have been replaced by a
single dot. This spot is in exactly the same place on each copy. Was
this stamp redrawn/retouched during its very long period of use?

Are my eyes deceiving me? or are there two printing processes
employed with that series?
My wish list would include a small utility, that would take two
scans and flip rapidly between the two repetatively.
I'd use that for my Aus KG sideface.
I currently use the wheel on my scroll mouse.






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"Rein"
these stamps were printed by the Post Office Printing Works in Mechelen
[Malines] in typography in printer's sheets of 4x100 probably. Unlike the
postwar definitives there are hardly any different types of paper used -
certainly no fluorescence as OBA [optical brightening agents] as that type
of material turned up in the late 50-ies.

G'day Rein,
apologies to Malcolm for butting in,
I was trying to follow Malcolm's query,
and to me, it looked like several issues were
photolitho. Must be my scanner.