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Old June 15th 08, 09:22 AM posted to rec.collecting.paper-money
Stelios Kasikis
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Default Help 2 Remove Stains & Ink Writing from Banknotes

I need to remove various stains & mainly ink writing from my banknotes.
Are there any techniques? Can we exchange our knowledge & experience?
Regards, Stel



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Old June 16th 08, 04:38 AM posted to rec.collecting.paper-money
Padraic Brown
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Default Help 2 Remove Stains & Ink Writing from Banknotes

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:22:22 +0300, "Stelios Kasikis"
wrote:

I need to remove various stains & mainly ink writing from my banknotes.
Are there any techniques? Can we exchange our knowledge & experience?
Regards, Stel



I think the general concensus of note collectors is to avoid cleaning
a note in this way. Even if the note is a true rarity, there is almost
nothing you can do chemically or mechanically to remove ink that will
not damage the note and reduce its value. Think about it: ink does its
job by penetrating the fibres of the note, thus embedding itself
within the latticework of the firbres. Chemical cleaners do their work
by altering chemical bonds of the ink or other stain. Neither method
is perfect and leaves tell-tale signs. If you wash the entire note,
you risk removing the inks that you want to remain! If you wash only
the written on area, you end up with a "cleaned" zone and a whole of
contrasted "dirty" zone. Mechanical cleaning involves removing the ink
(and surrounding fibres) by some physical means -- an eraser, a
microabrader, etc. Automatic and irreparable damage occurs.

If you had a cleaned note for sale and someone else had a slightly
lower grade but otherwise original note for sale, I think most
collectors would opt for the other guy's unaltered note over your
cleaned one.

The same general principle applies to coin collectors: don't clean a
coin! If you do, you can expect that it's numismatic value will
decline.

It might also be instructive to know what the ink writing consists of.
Sometimes, writing can enhance the value or aesthetics of a note: for
example, if the ruler of the country or the chief of the central bank
autographed the note -- if some other famous personality autographed
it, I wouldn't consider removing the writing! If the note was part of
a short-snorter or was a memento of a soldier's travels during WWII,
that can enhance the sentimental value of a note. For example, I have
a $1 JIM upon which a Philippine man wrote a thank-you note to the GIs
for liberating his country from the Japanese invasion. I have some
notes that people have written Bible verses or love notes or have
coloured with crayons. All are interesting in their own way and none
of them would be improved at all by my trying to remove the extra ink!

Padraic
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Old June 16th 08, 11:22 PM posted to rec.collecting.paper-money
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Default Help 2 Remove Stains & Ink Writing from Banknotes


"Padraic Brown" wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:22:22 +0300, "Stelios Kasikis"
wrote:

I need to remove various stains & mainly ink writing from my banknotes.
Are there any techniques? Can we exchange our knowledge & experience?
Regards, Stel



I think the general concensus of note collectors is to avoid cleaning
a note in this way. Even if the note is a true rarity, there is almost
nothing you can do chemically or mechanically to remove ink that will
not damage the note and reduce its value. Think about it: ink does its
job by penetrating the fibres of the note, thus embedding itself
within the latticework of the firbres. Chemical cleaners do their work
by altering chemical bonds of the ink or other stain. Neither method
is perfect and leaves tell-tale signs. If you wash the entire note,
you risk removing the inks that you want to remain! If you wash only
the written on area, you end up with a "cleaned" zone and a whole of
contrasted "dirty" zone. Mechanical cleaning involves removing the ink
(and surrounding fibres) by some physical means -- an eraser, a
microabrader, etc. Automatic and irreparable damage occurs.

If you had a cleaned note for sale and someone else had a slightly
lower grade but otherwise original note for sale, I think most
collectors would opt for the other guy's unaltered note over your
cleaned one.

The same general principle applies to coin collectors: don't clean a
coin! If you do, you can expect that it's numismatic value will
decline.

It might also be instructive to know what the ink writing consists of.
Sometimes, writing can enhance the value or aesthetics of a note: for
example, if the ruler of the country or the chief of the central bank
autographed the note -- if some other famous personality autographed
it, I wouldn't consider removing the writing! If the note was part of
a short-snorter or was a memento of a soldier's travels during WWII,
that can enhance the sentimental value of a note. For example, I have
a $1 JIM upon which a Philippine man wrote a thank-you note to the GIs
for liberating his country from the Japanese invasion. I have some
notes that people have written Bible verses or love notes or have
coloured with crayons. All are interesting in their own way and none
of them would be improved at all by my trying to remove the extra ink!

Padraic
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **




In reply to your Jim money


I've just picked up an album of about 75 notes
date range 1923 to 1976

USA $1 $5 $10 bills plus Jim MPC Allied currency all collect put
together
by a US soldier as most of the notes are dated by hand and names of his
buddies on them
you can trace from USA to UK then onto D day then over Philippine's then to
Japan
as the last note is a $1 MPC signed Tokyo 1953

his Name J.Runey

also in album is two 1st day covers last day of post office service by rail
with his home address on

I reckon he must of died around 1976 as there are also a few $2 with stamps
on them
($2 dated 1976)

so from 1923 or there abouts he stared collecting odd notes

I would to sell this small collection as one lot but its such a mix of
notes
not all would be of interest to collectors as a lot

if any collectors out there who would like this set just contact me

asking around $650 USD I reckon braek up value $700 to $850


Yours


--
Michael @ www.worldwidecoins.co.uk
mirror site www.numismatic.biz

World Banknotes & Coins
eBay http://members.ebay.co.uk/aboutme/worldwidecoins/




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Old June 22nd 08, 11:27 AM posted to rec.collecting.paper-money
libra55
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Default Help 2 Remove Stains & Ink Writing from Banknotes

Thanks!
Thats is a very wise explanation to seriously consider.

www.numismatic.biz / www.worldwidecoins.co.uk wrote:
"Padraic Brown" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:22:22 +0300, "Stelios Kasikis"
wrote:

I need to remove various stains & mainly ink writing from my banknotes.
Are there any techniques? Can we exchange our knowledge & experience?
Regards, Stel



I think the general concensus of note collectors is to avoid cleaning
a note in this way. Even if the note is a true rarity, there is almost
nothing you can do chemically or mechanically to remove ink that will
not damage the note and reduce its value. Think about it: ink does its
job by penetrating the fibres of the note, thus embedding itself
within the latticework of the firbres. Chemical cleaners do their work
by altering chemical bonds of the ink or other stain. Neither method
is perfect and leaves tell-tale signs. If you wash the entire note,
you risk removing the inks that you want to remain! If you wash only
the written on area, you end up with a "cleaned" zone and a whole of
contrasted "dirty" zone. Mechanical cleaning involves removing the ink
(and surrounding fibres) by some physical means -- an eraser, a
microabrader, etc. Automatic and irreparable damage occurs.

If you had a cleaned note for sale and someone else had a slightly
lower grade but otherwise original note for sale, I think most
collectors would opt for the other guy's unaltered note over your
cleaned one.

The same general principle applies to coin collectors: don't clean a
coin! If you do, you can expect that it's numismatic value will
decline.

It might also be instructive to know what the ink writing consists of.
Sometimes, writing can enhance the value or aesthetics of a note: for
example, if the ruler of the country or the chief of the central bank
autographed the note -- if some other famous personality autographed
it, I wouldn't consider removing the writing! If the note was part of
a short-snorter or was a memento of a soldier's travels during WWII,
that can enhance the sentimental value of a note. For example, I have
a $1 JIM upon which a Philippine man wrote a thank-you note to the GIs
for liberating his country from the Japanese invasion. I have some
notes that people have written Bible verses or love notes or have
coloured with crayons. All are interesting in their own way and none
of them would be improved at all by my trying to remove the extra ink!

Padraic
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **




In reply to your Jim money


I've just picked up an album of about 75 notes
date range 1923 to 1976

USA $1 $5 $10 bills plus Jim MPC Allied currency all collect put
together
by a US soldier as most of the notes are dated by hand and names of his
buddies on them
you can trace from USA to UK then onto D day then over Philippine's then to
Japan
as the last note is a $1 MPC signed Tokyo 1953

his Name J.Runey

also in album is two 1st day covers last day of post office service by rail
with his home address on

I reckon he must of died around 1976 as there are also a few $2 with stamps
on them
($2 dated 1976)

so from 1923 or there abouts he stared collecting odd notes

I would to sell this small collection as one lot but its such a mix of
notes
not all would be of interest to collectors as a lot

if any collectors out there who would like this set just contact me

asking around $650 USD I reckon braek up value $700 to $850


Yours


--
Michael @ www.worldwidecoins.co.uk
mirror site www.numismatic.biz

World Banknotes & Coins
eBay http://members.ebay.co.uk/aboutme/worldwidecoins/

 




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