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How old is counterfeiting of coins?
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:43:38 +1100, "Jeff R"
wrote: Sigh. You're another one with a real life. Nutcase. -- Email: (delete "remove this") Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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How old is counterfeiting of coins?
Reid Goldsborough wrote:
On 10 Nov 2005 13:17:11 -0800, "Phil DeMayo" wrote: I'll ask you again....does the real Alex "Jay" Berman, a writer from Philadelphia who posted to the same writer's newsgroup to which you used to post, know that you used his name in such a manner? I don't know who this person is, never knew him, don't know him now. This was a common-sounding name I pulled out of a virtual hat Oh really? Through 1998, encompassing your time in misc.writing, Alex Jay Berman made over 800 posts to that newsgroup. The two of you mutually participated in a number of threads and, on at least one occasion, you replied directly to Mr. Berman. But you have no recollection of that...uh-huh. I hope you'll understand if I choose not to believe you. |
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How old is counterfeiting of coins?
On 11 Nov 2005 10:41:44 -0800, "Phil DeMayo" wrote:
Through 1998, encompassing your time in misc.writing, Alex Jay Berman made over 800 posts to that newsgroup. The two of you mutually participated in a number of threads and, on at least one occasion, you replied directly to Mr. Berman. But you have no recollection of that...uh-huh. This was eight years ago, four years before this episode. I've conversed with hundreds and hundreds of people online about various topics. Maybe his name stuck in my head subconsciously. Did I use the name Alex Jay Berman or Alex Berman or Jay Berman? I don't remember. I don't believe I used the name Alex Jay Berman. Most important, whatever name I used wasn't some conscious decision to post as if I were him, same as my using the two other names wasn't some conscious decision to post as some other real person. You're continuing to do your weaseling picayune needling pseudo-criticism. And you continue to show yourself to be an obsessed Internet shut-in loser to be poring over posts of mine from a decade ago. How much time do you spend with this junk? And you didn't answer my question about your hypocrisy. What a surprise. But I'll ask it again. You never know. Have you ever broken the law? You preach to others about this. -- Email: (delete "remove this") Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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How old is counterfeiting of coins?
"Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:43:38 +1100, "Jeff R" wrote: Sigh. You're another one with a real life. Nutcase. I have a *great* life, thanks Reid. Karma, you know. When are you going to apologise for the depths of vulgarity and misinformation that you have inflicted on this newsgroup? -- Jeff R. (Oh... and *thanks* for addressing the issue again... not.) |
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How old is counterfeiting of coins?
In , on 11/11/2005
at 04:31 PM, Reid Goldsborough said: This was eight years ago, four years before this episode. Not only a legal expert, but now a super-sleuth detective, too! Brother. I hope Phil never looks in a phone book. Of the 153 John Smiths listed, 152 of them just have to be pretending to be the real one! .... as if there is anything in the name under which one chooses to post. Who is this "nospam" guy I see all over the place, anyway? (not meant to pick on the fellow who uses it here; it's just that it's a "popular" non-name). And who's the real one? As I often do when getting a glimpse of a Phil post ... I'll simple summarize with "duh". Nick Knight - Apparently a well-known Photographer - but it's my real name too!! |
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How old is counterfeiting of coins?
Phil DeMayo wrote:
Reid Goldsborough wrote: Using a sockpuppet has long been considerable justified online when people are discussing sensitive subjects. There are many examples.... Would one justifiable example be to ape the name of a real person to make potentially damaging statements to a poster who shows up here claiming to be a lawyer and threatens to sue? I'll ask you again....does the real Alex "Jay" Berman, a writer from Philadelphia who posted to the same writer's newsgroup to which you used to post, know that you used his name in such a manner? A followup question...what was the 'sensitive subject' involved when Reid used a sockpuppet to praise his own recently published puff piece? Isn't that tantamount to writing your own blurb? I no longer believe Reid went to Temple. I now believe he founded the Jayson Blair School of Journalism. Alan 'all the news that we can create' |
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How old is counterfeiting of coins?
Alan Williams wrote:
Phil DeMayo wrote: Reid Goldsborough wrote: Using a sockpuppet has long been considerable justified online when people are discussing sensitive subjects. There are many examples.... Would one justifiable example be to ape the name of a real person to make potentially damaging statements to a poster who shows up here claiming to be a lawyer and threatens to sue? I'll ask you again....does the real Alex "Jay" Berman, a writer from Philadelphia who posted to the same writer's newsgroup to which you used to post, know that you used his name in such a manner? A followup question...what was the 'sensitive subject' involved when Reid used a sockpuppet to praise his own recently published puff piece? Isn't that tantamount to writing your own blurb? I no longer believe Reid went to Temple. I now believe he founded the Jayson Blair School of Journalism. Alan 'all the news that we can create' C'mon Alan....you must know there are two separate but justifiable classes of "pseudonuyms"....one to counter a "campaign of lies" and one to use for "sensitive subjects". Your example falls into the first class. One of the funniest things about that episode was that he had his sockpuppet congratulate himself for an article in the wrong magazine so that he could correct himself. I was shocked when he used his own name to announce his numismatic literary guild award. |
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How old is counterfeiting of coins?
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:26:15 -0500, "Nick Knight"
wrote: Not only a legal expert, but now a super-sleuth detective, too! Brother. I hope Phil never looks in a phone book. Of the 153 John Smiths listed, 152 of them just have to be pretending to be the real one! If you look in the dictionary, any dictionary, after the word loser, as one of the examples you'll invariably see the name Phil DeMayo. Same with the word liar. Look in any dictionary, and you'll see the name Alan Williams. If you pick up any dictionary and look up the word dummy, you'll see Jeff R.'s name, aka A.Gent, aka StillCranky. If you look in any dictionary for the word sleazebag, you'll see Jorg Lueke's name. Every single one. It's pretty funny actually. Who is this "nospam" guy I see all over the place, anyway? (not meant to pick on the fellow who uses it here; it's just that it's a "popular" non-name). And who's the real one? When Jorg Lueke tries to disrupt conversations here with his fake name Reid Trollsborough, he uses the fake email address . The nospam part though is no doubt part many munged email addresses, with others also using it so as not to have their real email address spam harvested. -- Email: (delete "remove this") Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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How old is counterfeiting of coins?
"Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:26:15 -0500, "Nick Knight" wrote: Not only a legal expert, but now a super-sleuth detective, too! Brother. I hope Phil never looks in a phone book. Of the 153 John Smiths listed, 152 of them just have to be pretending to be the real one! If you look in the dictionary, any dictionary, after the word loser, as one of the examples you'll invariably see the name Phil DeMayo. Same with the word liar. Look in any dictionary, and you'll see the name Alan Williams. If you pick up any dictionary and look up the word dummy, you'll see Jeff R.'s name, aka A.Gent, aka StillCranky. If you look in any dictionary for the word sleazebag, you'll see Jorg Lueke's name. Every single one. It's pretty funny actually. Who is this "nospam" guy I see all over the place, anyway? (not meant to pick on the fellow who uses it here; it's just that it's a "popular" non-name). And who's the real one? When Jorg Lueke tries to disrupt conversations here with his fake name Reid Trollsborough, he uses the fake email address . The nospam part though is no doubt part many munged email addresses, with others also using it so as not to have their real email address spam harvested. -- Email: Consumer: Connoisseur: Counterfeit: Please excuse this post. Its just so extraordinarily fatuous that its requires archiving - safe from future deletion. Cheers, all. -- Jeff R. |
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How old is counterfeiting of coins?
(If anyone is still discussing the topic ... )
Coins are relatively recent inventions. For thousands of years before the first coins, civilized people relied on fiduciary instruments in clay. Generally _not_ traded in third-party transactions, these were only promises to pay that were discarded when they served their purpose. 1. See he ACCOUNTING WITH TOKENS IN THE ANCIENT NEAR EAST by Denise Schmandt-Besserat Small clay tokens of multiple shapes found in Near Eastern sites of 8000-3000 B.C. constitute the earliest evidence for accounting. ... The tokens had two main functions: they served as counters to calculate quantities of goods; they were mnemonic devices used to store data. In this paper I will discuss this latter function: 1. How accounting was practiced with tokens, and 2. how accounting was related to sociopolitical changes ... http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/lrc.../dsb/dsb1.html 2. This development parallels another, perhaps more fundamental. It was in these newly complex societies that the "bicameral" mind of earlier people began to break down. See he The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind (1976, 1990, 2000), by Julian Jaynes. "When Julian Jaynes...speculates that until late in the second millennium B.C. men had no consciousness but were automatically obeying the voices of gods, we are astounded but compelled to follow this remarkable thesis through all the corroborative evidence..." http://www.julianjaynes.org/ 2.b. And see he Jaynes theorized that a shift from bicameralism marked the beginning of introspection and consciousness as we know it today... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameral_mind Among the many facts that Jaynes arrays is a distinction between the Illiad and the Odyssey in ascribing motivation. In the Illiad, men talk of being told by gods to do things. However, Odysseus has his own (hidden) agenda: he lies. To Jaynes, lying was physically impossible before the breakdown of the bicameral mind. Therefore, we can expect that deceit -- "counterfeiting" -- began with the first organized cities and is necessarily as old as counting and commerce. |
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