Election: I am Ashamed to be an American

In article ,
(Bill Yates) writes:


100,000 innocent Iraqi people have been murdered by George W Bush. We should
lower our heads in SHAME that the American people voted to give this criminal
4
more years. God Save America.

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I guess I can agree with you.

I'm pretty ashamed you're an American, too...

4 more years!

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DONDI3 wrote:
In article ,
(Bill Yates) writes:


100,000 innocent Iraqi people have been murdered by George W Bush. We should
lower our heads in SHAME that the American people voted to give this criminal
4
more years. God Save America.


Bill Yates Rare Coins


I guess I can agree with you.

I'm pretty ashamed you're an American, too...

4 more years!

Dondi3



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Bill Yates wrote:
100,000 innocent Iraqi people have been murdered by George W Bush. We should
lower our heads in SHAME that the American people voted to give this criminal 4
more years. God Save America.
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Here's something else you can blame Bush for, oh wait, Bush is for
dirtier air, someone made a mistake?!?!?!


http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041105/D865FUDG0.html

L.A. Sees Cleanest Air Quality on Record

Nov 4, 11:18 PM (ET)

By TIM MOLLOY

LOS ANGELES (AP) - With a little help from good weather, air in the Los
Angeles was the cleanest on record this year, regulators said Thursday.

Still, the region's air quality remained the worst in the nation by one
key measure, said Sam Atwood, a spokesman for the South Coast Air
Quality Management District.

The region benefited this year from weather that isn't conducive to
smog, including cooler temperatures, fog, low clouds and weak inversion
layers. Cleaner cars, industries and businesses also improved air
quality, officials said.

"The weather was a major factor this year, there's no denying that,"
Atwood said. "We're headed in the right direction but we have to
definitely not rest on our laurels."

Southern California, which has struggled with air pollution for half a
century, historically has its worst smog between May 1 and Oct. 31.

This year, there were only 27 days during that period when the region's
ozone level, averaged over one hour, exceeded the federal Environmental
Protection Agency's standard.

Overall, the region violated the one-hour standard 68 days last year,
officials said.

Ground-level ozone, a precursor to smog, causes respiratory illnesses
that can be especially harmful to the elderly, children and people with
asthma.

The Los Angeles area still had the highest peak level of ozone averaged
over an eight-hour period - a newer, stricter EPA measure than the
one-hour standard.

Bill Yates wrote:

100,000 innocent Iraqi people have been murdered by George W Bush. We should
lower our heads in SHAME that the American people voted to give this criminal 4
more years. God Save America.
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We should be asking for God's forgiveness, not claiming he is on our side.

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JAM

JIm Higgins wrote:

Let me be an early contributor to the BY leaving the country forever fund.
Don't forget the letter to the State Dept. renouncing your US citizenship so
we can be sure to keep you out.

BTW try your next post in a political newsgroup. The Republicans won and
the Democrats lost. Deal with it.

What does any of that have to do with the death of 100,000 innocent Iraqi people?

JAM

Skip Waisner wrote:

Bill,

Let's first assume that you are correct, and that George Bush is directly
responsible for the deaths of 100,000 innocent Iraqis (which I would say is
probably a little high for civilian casualties, even for Liberal estimates).
Let's also assume now that Bush had never given the order to oust a ruthless
dictator, who, by the way, has killed more innocent Iraqis than any outside
force (American, Iranian, etc.). How long would it be before you posted to
this group saying "the madness has to stop, we have to do something about a
ruthless dictator who is killing his own people?" I hope that you would
eventually get to that point. Now, let's assume that Al Gore had won the
election in 2000. Would there be any point at which you would criticize
Gore for NOT taking out Hussein? Do you think that Gore would have (or even
could have) handled the situation any better?

Why have you insisted upon wasting our time? This is a coin group, not a
political group. Do you think that spouting a political view like this, in
a coin newsgroup, and attaching your companies name to will increase your
coins sales at all, or do you not mind that you have just alienated what by
all counts is about 51% of the readers of this newsgroup? For the record, I
didn't vote for Bush this time. I didn't vote for Kerry either. I don't
necessarily agree with everything that Bush has done in the last 4 years. I
do believe that the invasion of Iraq was right, and I don't believe that
this newsgroup is the proper place for this drivel!

Skip Waisner


Gee, I thought that we invaded Iraq because Saddam was involved in the 9/11 attack and had WMD's ready to use on the US and Israel.

JAM

hey Michael,

Read the text, LA benifited from an unusual weather pattern this year, not
any reduction in crap going into the air. Someone else paid for LA's
pollution.

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"Michael Azzam" wrote in message
...
Bill Yates wrote:
100,000 innocent Iraqi people have been murdered by George W Bush. We
should
lower our heads in SHAME that the American people voted to give this
criminal 4
more years. God Save America.
-----------
Bill Yates Rare Coins
Check my ebay listings
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Here's something else you can blame Bush for, oh wait, Bush is for dirtier
air, someone made a mistake?!?!?!


http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041105/D865FUDG0.html

L.A. Sees Cleanest Air Quality on Record

Nov 4, 11:18 PM (ET)

By TIM MOLLOY

LOS ANGELES (AP) - With a little help from good weather, air in the Los
Angeles was the cleanest on record this year, regulators said Thursday.

Still, the region's air quality remained the worst in the nation by one
key measure, said Sam Atwood, a spokesman for the South Coast Air Quality
Management District.

The region benefited this year from weather that isn't conducive to smog,
including cooler temperatures, fog, low clouds and weak inversion layers.
Cleaner cars, industries and businesses also improved air quality,
officials said.

"The weather was a major factor this year, there's no denying that,"
Atwood said. "We're headed in the right direction but we have to
definitely not rest on our laurels."

Southern California, which has struggled with air pollution for half a
century, historically has its worst smog between May 1 and Oct. 31.

This year, there were only 27 days during that period when the region's
ozone level, averaged over one hour, exceeded the federal Environmental
Protection Agency's standard.

Overall, the region violated the one-hour standard 68 days last year,
officials said.

Ground-level ozone, a precursor to smog, causes respiratory illnesses that
can be especially harmful to the elderly, children and people with asthma.

The Los Angeles area still had the highest peak level of ozone averaged
over an eight-hour period - a newer, stricter EPA measure than the
one-hour standard.

Dave Welsh wrote:

"Bill Yates" wrote in message
...
100,000 innocent Iraqi people have been murdered by George W Bush. We
should
lower our heads in SHAME that the American people voted to give this
criminal 4
more years. God Save America.

Appears to me that you do have a serious case of craniorectal inversion.

The political process that was established by our founding fathers is far
more important than whatever soreheads such as yourself may think about any
particular election.

Whatever you may care to say about Bush, far worse was said about Lincoln
during his terms of office. It was not until long after he was dead that his
place in history emerged. I suspect that the same may be true for "Dubya."

Finally, I don't think the Iraqi people are all that innocent. I don't
believe that they should be indiscriminately killed, of course. But if the
German people can be held responsible for Hitler, then the Iraqi people can
also be held responsible for Saddaam Hussein and his murderous regime, and
for the consequences of overthrowing that regime.. If Iraqis had insisted on
a responsible government none of this would have happened. Appears to me
that the only real difference between them and the Nazis was the greater
warmaking capability of the Germans.

After WWII, of course, all surviving German civilians were innocent ... no
doubt many of them really were. But when it comes to the behavior of
governments, I do believe in collective guilt.

Dave Welsh


When it comes to the government here in the US WE are the government and WE are responsible for it's actions.

JAM

Gee, I thought that we invaded Iraq because Saddam was involved in the 9/11
attack and had WMD's ready to use on the US and Israel.


See, Here is a big part of the problem. You guys on the left keep bitching and
moaning about Iraq when by your own words you have no idea why you are
bitching.
Nobody ever said Saddam was involved with 9/11, What they did argue was that
Saddam had Ties to Al Queda and MAY have WMD. See this is where the left likes
to distort the issue because you guys like to think Al Queda revolves around
9/11.
9/11 was simply 1 Al Queda operation within a larger group of murderers.
overall I suspect maybe 1/4 of 1% of Al Queda followers and Supporters knew
about 9/11 beforehand. That doesn't make them any less guilty of being part or
supporting a terrorist group.

Global intelligence from multiple sources suggested that Saddam had or was
creating WMD, Bill Clinton and John Kerry both saw this evidence and agreed
something had to be done. The difference with Bill Clinton and John Kerry is
neither one of them would have ever done it because neither one of them can
wipe their own ass without first taking a poll to see if we the voting public
approved first. Their popularity, reputations and approval ratings to them are
MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than the national security of this country.
Saddam was a known liar and known to want to and was building WMD in the past,
Before the 1991 Gulf war our intelligence suggested he was 3 years away from
completion of a Nuclear bomb. After the war we found out it wasn't 3 years but
6 months from completion. This is all documented.

Now with that knowledge I ask you a simple question, When the evidence and
intelligence from the late 90's up to 2003 leading up to this war suggested he
may be building WMD and was known to have his leadership meeting with Al-Queda
operatives what was Bush honestly supposed to do? Was he supposed to sit around
with his thumb up his ass and hope to hell the intel from NUMEROUS nations and
sources was wrong? Was he supposed to wait for another attack and thousands, If
not hundreds of thousands bodybags for our fellow citizens? The left would have
massacred him either way REGARDLESS of what decision he made. So you see he
made the decision not to wait, not to cross his fingers and pray but to go in
and stop the problem before it became fatal for our security.
That's something the extreme left will never understand though because they
don't care about the facts, To them its about power and if the evidence points
to something that may effect that power then SCREW the evidence. To them
leadership is about taking a poll to see what is popular, And just because a
decision isn't popular doesn't mean it should be ignored.

That separates leaders like Bush from the little bitches like Clinton and Kerry
who are more interested in kissing your ass as opposed to protecting it.
Steve

Shystev99 wrote:
Gee, I thought that we invaded Iraq because Saddam was involved in the 9/11
attack and had WMD's ready to use on the US and Israel.



See, Here is a big part of the problem. You guys on the left keep bitching and
moaning about Iraq when by your own words you have no idea why you are
bitching.
Nobody ever said Saddam was involved with 9/11, What they did argue was that
Saddam had Ties to Al Queda and MAY have WMD. See this is where the left likes
to distort the issue because you guys like to think Al Queda revolves around
9/11.
9/11 was simply 1 Al Queda operation within a larger group of murderers.
overall I suspect maybe 1/4 of 1% of Al Queda followers and Supporters knew
about 9/11 beforehand. That doesn't make them any less guilty of being part or
supporting a terrorist group.

Global intelligence from multiple sources suggested that Saddam had or was
creating WMD, Bill Clinton and John Kerry both saw this evidence and agreed
something had to be done. The difference with Bill Clinton and John Kerry is
neither one of them would have ever done it because neither one of them can
wipe their own ass without first taking a poll to see if we the voting public
approved first. Their popularity, reputations and approval ratings to them are
MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than the national security of this country.
Saddam was a known liar and known to want to and was building WMD in the past,
Before the 1991 Gulf war our intelligence suggested he was 3 years away from
completion of a Nuclear bomb. After the war we found out it wasn't 3 years but
6 months from completion. This is all documented.

Now with that knowledge I ask you a simple question, When the evidence and
intelligence from the late 90's up to 2003 leading up to this war suggested he
may be building WMD and was known to have his leadership meeting with Al-Queda
operatives what was Bush honestly supposed to do? Was he supposed to sit around
with his thumb up his ass and hope to hell the intel from NUMEROUS nations and
sources was wrong? Was he supposed to wait for another attack and thousands, If
not hundreds of thousands bodybags for our fellow citizens? The left would have
massacred him either way REGARDLESS of what decision he made. So you see he
made the decision not to wait, not to cross his fingers and pray but to go in
and stop the problem before it became fatal for our security.
That's something the extreme left will never understand though because they
don't care about the facts, To them its about power and if the evidence points
to something that may effect that power then SCREW the evidence. To them
leadership is about taking a poll to see what is popular, And just because a
decision isn't popular doesn't mean it should be ignored.

That separates leaders like Bush from the little bitches like Clinton and Kerry
who are more interested in kissing your ass as opposed to protecting it.
Steve


You did it now, you'll be called a Fascist by Aladdin inSane