1783 8 Reales

Maybe someone here can help me with this, im not a forgein collector,
it is a 1783 8 Reales, i posted pix at---


http://picasaweb.google.com/kip2009/...sOf17838Reales


---the coin itself is better than the pix. like i said i only collect
US coins.

thanks for your time,
the young one

It actually IS a U.S. coin. Made in Mexico City, it is a "piece of eight",
the likes of which served as the mainstay of circulating coinage within the
U.S. until 1857. Check out the introductory material in the Redbook for
further details.

James

"The Young One" wrote in message
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Maybe someone here can help me with this, im not a forgein collector,
it is a 1783 8 Reales, i posted pix at---


http://picasaweb.google.com/kip2009/...sOf17838Reales


---the coin itself is better than the pix. like i said i only collect
US coins.

thanks for your time,
the young one

On Jun 16, 10:34*pm, The Young One wrote:
Maybe someone here can help me with this, im not a forgein collector,
it is a 1783 8 Reales, i posted pix at---

http://picasaweb.google.com/kip2009/...sOf17838Reales

---the coin itself is better than the pix. like i said i only collect
US coins.

thanks for your time,
the young one

About 15 years back, some Louisiana fishermen found a Spanish wreck
named the "El Cazador". It was chock full of 1783 dated 8 reales
(maybe 40,000 coins).

Based upon condition (looks like sea salvage), I would speculate that
your coin is from that wreck.

If you google "El Cazador Shipwreck" you can find out a great deal
more about your piece. When you learn its history, you might even
learn to love it.

oly

On Jun 17, 4:20*am, oly wrote:
On Jun 16, 10:34*pm, The Young One wrote:

Maybe someone here can help me with this, im not a forgein collector,
it is a 1783 8 Reales, i posted pix at---

http://picasaweb.google.com/kip2009/...sOf17838Reales

---the coin itself is better than the pix. like i said i only collect
US coins.

thanks for your time,
the young one

About 15 years back, some Louisiana fishermen found a Spanish wreck
named the "El Cazador". *It was chock full of 1783 dated 8 reales
(maybe 40,000 coins).

Based upon condition (looks like sea salvage), I would speculate that
your coin is from that wreck.

If you google "El Cazador Shipwreck" you can find out a great deal
more about your piece. *When you learn its history, you might even
learn to love it.

oly

While reviewing what I suggested that you google, I found that the
"new" Franklin Mint has gotten a quantity of these coins and is
selling them, You should review their bull-****tay website with a
grain of salt. They're so stupid that they don't know that "Carolus
III" means "Charles III". They have also misdated the Spanish
Colonial revolution (the "first" Mexican Revolution) by about thirty
years.

oly

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On Jun 17, 4:20 am, oly wrote:

If you google "El Cazador Shipwreck" you can find out a great deal
more about your piece. When you learn its history, you might even
learn to love it.

oly


While reviewing what I suggested that you google, I found that the
"new" Franklin Mint has gotten a quantity of these coins and is
selling them,

Also the Royal Mint, I received an offer some time ago.
95 pounds or there.

On Jun 17, 6:09*am, "gogu" wrote:
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On Jun 17, 4:20 am, oly wrote:
If you google "El Cazador Shipwreck" you can find out a great deal
more about your piece. When you learn its history, you might even
learn to love it.

oly
While reviewing what I suggested that you google, I found that the
"new" Franklin Mint has gotten a quantity of these coins and is
selling them,

Also the Royal Mint, I received an offer some time ago.
95 pounds or there.

Spanish Colonial Coins of Charles III ARE better (scarcer) than those
of his successors Charles IV and Ferdinand VII; but should you pay
such a pricey price, well you are paying for the shipwreck
"provenance". For 95 pounds, many regular dealers in Mexican coins
could probably supply you with a lustrous AU coin that came out of a
land burial or cache. I have several of these (actually more than
several) but it's been three or four years since I was actively buying
them - I don't think prices have changed much for a nice AU, but I
haven't been following closely. One hundred twenty-five U.S. dollars
to one hundred seventy-five U.S. dollars should get you a very very
nice Bust 8 reales of Charles III that has never seen salt water.

oly

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On Jun 17, 6:09 am, "gogu" wrote:

Also the Royal Mint, I received an offer some time ago.
95 pounds or there.

Spanish Colonial Coins of Charles III ARE better (scarcer) than those
of his successors Charles IV and Ferdinand VII; but should you pay
such a pricey price, well you are paying for the shipwreck
"provenance".

Of course, you pay the story behind the coin and not the coin per se.
Not to mention that the Royal Mint has prices well above other mints around
the world...
An one ounce silver proof coin costs usually around 45 pounds with them!

For 95 pounds, many regular dealers in Mexican coins
could probably supply you with a lustrous AU coin that came out of a
land burial or cache.

Sure!

I have several of these (actually more than
several) but it's been three or four years since I was actively buying
them - I don't think prices have changed much for a nice AU, but I
haven't been following closely.

I am not in these beauties but if I think better I'd like to have a couple
AU with a different King on each one of them!
Could you tell me how much I should expect to pay for such a mini-collection
(don't care about difficult dates)?
How many different Kings we meet on pieces of eight?

One hundred twenty-five U.S. dollars
to one hundred seventy-five U.S. dollars should get you a very very
nice Bust 8 reales of Charles III that has never seen salt water.

Nice, can you post a picture to see what are you talking about?

Thanks!

On Jun 17, 7:02*am, "gogu" wrote:
? "oly" ?????? ??? ...

On Jun 17, 6:09 am, "gogu" wrote:
Also the Royal Mint, I received an offer some time ago.
95 pounds or there.
Spanish Colonial Coins of Charles III ARE better (scarcer) than those
of his successors Charles IV and Ferdinand VII; but should you pay
such a pricey price, well you are paying for the shipwreck
"provenance".

Of course, you pay the story behind the coin and not the coin per se.
Not to mention that the Royal Mint has prices well above other mints around
the world...
An one ounce silver proof coin costs usually around 45 pounds with them!

For 95 pounds, many regular dealers in Mexican coins
could probably supply you with a lustrous AU coin that came out of a
land burial or cache.

Sure!

I have several of these (actually more than
several) but it's been three or four years since I was actively buying
them - I don't think prices have changed much for a nice AU, but I
haven't been following closely.

I am not in these beauties but if I think better I'd like to have a couple
AU with a different King on each one of them!
Could you tell me how much I should expect to pay for such a mini-collection
(don't care about difficult dates)?
How many different Kings we meet on pieces of eight?

One hundred twenty-five U.S. dollars
to one hundred seventy-five U.S. dollars should get you a very very
nice Bust 8 reales of Charles III that has never seen salt water.

Nice, can you post a picture to see what are you talking about?

Thanks!

For the three kings (Charels III, Charles IV and Ferdinand VII) who
were featured on the Spanish Colonial Bust Dollars, you could spend as
little as $90 for three coins (in VG/F condition) up to $400 to $600
if you want all three in nice AUs. But you could get a very
desireable set of three better condition coins for $300, easily (most
of the money should go for the Charles III coin).

Of course, you will probably obtain coins with the most common
"Mo" (Mexico City) mintmark for these prices. There are several other
mintmarks including "SLP" (Potosi) in Bolivia and LMAE (Lima) in Peru,
and other cities. The odder South American mintmarks are generally
rather pricier.

I am not well set up to post photos, I must admit.

Finally, "pieces of eight" is a generic term that covers a wide range
of coins from 1540 through 1821 - but many people would say that the
crude, rough Spanish Colonial "cob" silver coins struck before 1733
are the real "pieces of eight" of pirate lore and fiction.

oly

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On Jun 17, 7:02 am, "gogu" wrote:

For the three kings (Charels III, Charles IV and Ferdinand VII) who
were featured on the Spanish Colonial Bust Dollars, you could spend as
little as $90 for three coins (in VG/F condition) up to $400 to $600
if you want all three in nice AUs.

That is $130-$200 average per coin.

But you could get a very
desireable set of three better condition coins for $300, easily (most
of the money should go for the Charles III coin).

?
How can it be nicer than the above (3xAU) and costing less at the same
time?!

Of course, you will probably obtain coins with the most common
"Mo" (Mexico City) mintmark for these prices. There are several other
mintmarks including "SLP" (Potosi) in Bolivia and LMAE (Lima) in Peru,
and other cities. The odder South American mintmarks are generally
rather pricier.

No problem, I just want the face of each king on the coins in a decent
quality, doesn't matter the mint.

Thanks Oly, I am not ready right now but in the near future if you have
something to offer me from your collection please drop me a line;-)
(My address is a spamtrap but if interested just tell me and I'll send you a
mail).
Thanks again!

The Young One exclaimed in news:4208f0b4-d994-4712-
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Maybe someone here can help me with this, im not a forgein collector,
it is a 1783 8 Reales, i posted pix at---


http://picasaweb.google.com/kip2009/...sOf17838Reales


---the coin itself is better than the pix. like i said i only collect
US coins.

thanks for your time,
the young one

Krause sez $25 in VG / $45 in F

The FF is the common one. An FM would be quite pricey.

I think that any US collector should have one. They were legal tender in
the US into the 1800s.

--
BA

"Qui hic mixerit aut cacarit, habeat deos superos et inferos iratos."