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Vatican Charged My CC
I thought that the Vatican Orders had been filled months ago for the BU and
Proof Sets. Those are the only things I ordered from the Vatican back in March. I just assumed I had missed out on getting them. Then I noticed a charge from 8/11 by 'Filatelico Numismatica Citta Del Vait' on my credit card for $180.99. My calculations would indicate that this is for both the Proof (issue price 125 euro) and the BU (issue price 21 euro) sets. It's a good day when the Pope charges your credit card Jack |
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"Jack Russell" wrote: I thought that the Vatican Orders had been filled months ago for the BU and Proof Sets. Those are the only things I ordered from the Vatican back in March. I just assumed I had missed out on getting them. Then I noticed a charge from 8/11 by 'Filatelico Numismatica Citta Del Vait' on my credit card for $180.99. My calculations would indicate that this is for both the Proof (issue price 125 euro) and the BU (issue price 21 euro) sets. It's a good day when the Pope charges your credit card Jack Heh. When I first read the subject line, I thought I was about to read a story from some tabloid along the lines of "Martians Ate My Baby!" Congratulations on maybe finally getting your coins. |
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"Jack Russell" wrote in message om... I thought that the Vatican Orders had been filled months ago for the BU and Proof Sets. Those are the only things I ordered from the Vatican back in March. I just assumed I had missed out on getting them. Then I noticed a charge from 8/11 by 'Filatelico Numismatica Citta Del Vait' on my credit card for $180.99. My calculations would indicate that this is for both the Proof (issue price 125 euro) and the BU (issue price 21 euro) sets. It's a good day when the Pope charges your credit card Jack Jack, Hi.. A similar charge, a bit more, actually, appeared on my card the same day.. I think I ordered two Mint Sets and one Proof Set back in March and had pretty much given up on them.. although unnamed, my experiences ordering Sets from The Vatican have actually been referred to in Coin World articles (Hi, Wm. T. Gibbs .. My bank can't tell me who the merchant is charging it until early next week, and the amount has changed a bit, probably due to the Euro fluctuating against the dollar, but by my calculations, the amount looks right for what I ordered.. Now I have to tell you, just because they hit your card, don't count your Vatican Sets before they hatch into your mailbox.. Two years ago they charged me $80.00 and change for their first Euro Proof Set. They told me they shipped it. Weeks later, nothing. I started emailing them. Finally I got a response.. loosely translated from Italian to English it said "Oops we didn't ship it afterall.. sorry, would you like us to send you a refund check or put the money on your account for next year??".. I asked for a refund check, which I eventually got, in US Dollars drawn on a bank in NYC.. At the time I got that check, that Proof Set, for which they charged me $80.00 and change, and which they never shipped to me, was selling for almost $2000.00 on eBay.. so you can imagine my chagrin when they told me they didn't ship it after all.. So I wait to see what this mystery charge on my card is, and if it is indeed from The Vatican, then the next phase of squirming is to see if the Sets actually show up in the mail.. Unfortunately the 2004 Sets are not selling for anywhere near what the 2001 or 2002 sets sold for on eBay.. a quick check reveals the Mint Set, which they charge 21 Euros for is going for about US$250.00, and the Proof Set for about $500.00.. but I will re-sell them after I get them and admire them for about .000000002 seconds.. or I might sell one Mint Set and the Proof Set, and keep one Mint Set.. or I might sell both of those and keep the Proof Set.. I'm still pondering, but first I have to actually get them.. And then coming later this year, is the "Lottery" drawing for the Monaco 2004 Euro Proof Set, their first.. I sent my order form for one back a couple months ago. I thought this mystery charge that appeared on my card a few days ago could have been it, but it's not, since that set's price was 198 Euros plus shipping, which would translate to about US$250.00 which is about $40.00 higher than the mystery charge.. I doubt Monaco decided to lower their set's price.. only 4500 of those sets will be sold to the people who filled out the letter they sent out and mailed it back, no photocopies allowed, one set per letter, so they would receive it by July 30nd, 2004.. which I did.. of the ones that they received in time, they will then draw 4500 of them and each lucky person gets one Set for 198 Euros.. I expect that set to skyrocket in price due to the Lottery nature of how they are being sold and the incredibly low Mintage.. it might even skyrocket into the $2000.00 range as The Vatican's first Euro Proof Set did.. Harv |
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Jack Russell wrote:
I thought that the Vatican Orders had been filled months ago for the BU and Proof Sets. Those are the only things I ordered from the Vatican back in March. I just assumed I had missed out on getting them. Then I noticed a charge from 8/11 by 'Filatelico Numismatica Citta Del Vait' on my credit card for $180.99. My calculations would indicate that this is for both the Proof (issue price 125 euro) and the BU (issue price 21 euro) sets. It's a good day when the Pope charges your credit card Just a possibility, but ..... Perhaps you inadvertantly signed up for the automatic tithing plan. -- davewang202(at)yahoo(dot)com |
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"Harv" schreef in bericht
... And then coming later this year, is the "Lottery" drawing for the Monaco 2004 Euro Proof Set, their first.. I sent my order form for one back a couple months ago. I thought this mystery charge that appeared on my card a few days ago could have been it, but it's not, since that set's price was 198 Euros plus shipping, which would translate to about US$250.00 which is about $40.00 higher than the mystery charge.. I doubt Monaco decided to lower their set's price.. only 4500 of those sets will be sold to the people who filled out the letter they sent out and mailed it back, no photocopies allowed, one set per letter, so they would receive it by July 30nd, 2004.. which I did.. of the ones that they received in time, they will then draw 4500 of them and each lucky person gets one Set for 198 Euros.. I expect that set to skyrocket in price due to the Lottery nature of how they are being sold and the incredibly low Mintage.. it might even skyrocket into the $2000.00 range as The Vatican's first Euro Proof Set did.. Harv The lottery took already place. Monaco send a letter date August 11th. Everybody seems to get a letter, also the people that did not win. I guess it takes a few days to reach the States. ;-) I got my letter yesterday and I will get a set. I don't expect the set to go skyrocket in price, it is already very expensive and a mintage of 15.000 is quite high for a Proof set. And it also is not the first proof set of Monaco, the first of 2001 is sold for between 600 and 700 euro. Some coindealers expect it even to fall under the issue price. I expect the price to be somewhere between 250 and 350 euro. Luit |
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Great! My card was charged in mid June and I received my sets early last
week. The medal in the proof set is really nice. John Baumgart "Jack Russell" wrote in message om... I thought that the Vatican Orders had been filled months ago for the BU and Proof Sets. Those are the only things I ordered from the Vatican back in March. I just assumed I had missed out on getting them. Then I noticed a charge from 8/11 by 'Filatelico Numismatica Citta Del Vait' on my credit card for $180.99. My calculations would indicate that this is for both the Proof (issue price 125 euro) and the BU (issue price 21 euro) sets. It's a good day when the Pope charges your credit card Jack |
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"Harv" wrote in message ... "Jack Russell" wrote in message om... I thought that the Vatican Orders had been filled months ago for the BU and Proof Sets. Those are the only things I ordered from the Vatican back in March. I just assumed I had missed out on getting them. Then I noticed a charge from 8/11 by 'Filatelico Numismatica Citta Del Vait' on my credit card for $180.99. My calculations would indicate that this is for both the Proof (issue price 125 euro) and the BU (issue price 21 euro) sets. It's a good day when the Pope charges your credit card Jack Jack, Hi.. A similar charge, a bit more, actually, appeared on my card the same day.. I think I ordered two Mint Sets and one Proof Set back in March and had pretty much given up on them.. although unnamed, my experiences ordering Sets from The Vatican have actually been referred to in Coin World articles (Hi, Wm. T. Gibbs .. My bank can't tell me who the merchant is charging it until early next week, and the amount has changed a bit, probably due to the Euro fluctuating against the dollar, but by my calculations, the amount looks right for what I ordered.. Now I have to tell you, just because they hit your card, don't count your Vatican Sets before they hatch into your mailbox.. Two years ago they charged me $80.00 and change for their first Euro Proof Set. They told me they shipped it. Weeks later, nothing. I started emailing them. Finally I got a response.. loosely translated from Italian to English it said "Oops we didn't ship it afterall.. sorry, would you like us to send you a refund check or put the money on your account for next year??".. I asked for a refund check, which I eventually got, in US Dollars drawn on a bank in NYC.. At the time I got that check, that Proof Set, for which they charged me $80.00 and change, and which they never shipped to me, was selling for almost $2000.00 on eBay.. so you can imagine my chagrin when they told me they didn't ship it after all.. So I wait to see what this mystery charge on my card is, and if it is indeed from The Vatican, then the next phase of squirming is to see if the Sets actually show up in the mail.. Unfortunately the 2004 Sets are not selling for anywhere near what the 2001 or 2002 sets sold for on eBay.. a quick check reveals the Mint Set, which they charge 21 Euros for is going for about US$250.00, and the Proof Set for about $500.00.. but I will re-sell them after I get them and admire them for about .000000002 seconds.. or I might sell one Mint Set and the Proof Set, and keep one Mint Set.. or I might sell both of those and keep the Proof Set.. I'm still pondering, but first I have to actually get them.. And then coming later this year, is the "Lottery" drawing for the Monaco 2004 Euro Proof Set, their first.. I sent my order form for one back a couple months ago. I thought this mystery charge that appeared on my card a few days ago could have been it, but it's not, since that set's price was 198 Euros plus shipping, which would translate to about US$250.00 which is about $40.00 higher than the mystery charge.. I doubt Monaco decided to lower their set's price.. only 4500 of those sets will be sold to the people who filled out the letter they sent out and mailed it back, no photocopies allowed, one set per letter, so they would receive it by July 30nd, 2004.. which I did.. of the ones that they received in time, they will then draw 4500 of them and each lucky person gets one Set for 198 Euros.. I expect that set to skyrocket in price due to the Lottery nature of how they are being sold and the incredibly low Mintage.. it might even skyrocket into the $2000.00 range as The Vatican's first Euro Proof Set did.. Harv I remember well the difficulties you had with the Vatican. Your bad experience does seem to be the exception. I don't recall anyone else on RCC who's had a similar experience. The charge on my credit card also was a mystery for a couple of days. In fact my credit card company called me because they thought the charge was suspicious. Jack |
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"Luit" wrote in message ... The lottery took already place. Monaco send a letter date August 11th. Everybody seems to get a letter, also the people that did not win. I guess it takes a few days to reach the States. ;-) I got my letter yesterday and I will get a set. Hmm.. interesting.. well yeah, sure, a letter will take longer to get to me than it will to get to .nl from Monaco (France..) .. Congratulations on getting your name drawn.. I don't expect the set to go skyrocket in price, it is already very expensive and a mintage of 15.000 is quite high for a Proof set. But if they are only selling 4,500 of the Sets by Lottery to their "best" customers, how/where/when will the other 10,500 be sold??.. And it also is not the first proof set of Monaco, the first of 2001 is sold for between 600 and 700 euro. Was that a Euro Coins Proof Set??.. Or was it Francs??.. I thought the 2004 Monaco Proof Set was their first with Euro Coins.. but I guess I thought wrong.. I've been on their subscription list for three years and this is the first time they've offered to sell me a Euro Coins Proof Set.. Some coindealers expect it even to fall under the issue price. I expect the price to be somewhere between 250 and 350 euro. Luit Some coin dealers are often quite wrong .. Harv |
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"Harv" schreef in bericht
... "Luit" wrote in message ... The lottery took already place. Monaco send a letter date August 11th. Everybody seems to get a letter, also the people that did not win. I guess it takes a few days to reach the States. ;-) I got my letter yesterday and I will get a set. Hmm.. interesting.. well yeah, sure, a letter will take longer to get to me than it will to get to .nl from Monaco (France..) .. Congratulations on getting your name drawn.. Thank you Harv, until now it looks like about 80 percent is drawn and only 20 percent is rejected, but this might change of course. I don't expect the set to go skyrocket in price, it is already very expensive and a mintage of 15.000 is quite high for a Proof set. But if they are only selling 4,500 of the Sets by Lottery to their "best" customers, how/where/when will the other 10,500 be sold??.. The other sets will mainly go to coindealers, a small part maybe will be sold by Monnaie de Paris in the online shop. I guess this will be about October/November And it also is not the first proof set of Monaco, the first of 2001 is sold for between 600 and 700 euro. Was that a Euro Coins Proof Set??.. Or was it Francs??.. I thought the 2004 Monaco Proof Set was their first with Euro Coins.. but I guess I thought wrong.. I've been on their subscription list for three years and this is the first time they've offered to sell me a Euro Coins Proof Set.. This was also an euro set, issue number 3.500 It was only sold by coindealers and a very few online in the MdP shop, it was in only about half an hour, estimated number 50-100 sold online, rest by dealers Some coindealers expect it even to fall under the issue price. I expect the price to be somewhere between 250 and 350 euro. Luit Some coin dealers are often quite wrong .. Maybe, we'll see, but if indeed 80% will get the set direct from the museum, I don't think very much more people want it, I know of a lot of collectors that did not send in their coupons because of the price of the sets, and another group is only buying them to sell them as soon as possible on ebay, just like you ;-) Luit Harv |
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"Luit" wrote in message ... "Harv" schreef in bericht ... "Luit" wrote in message ... The lottery took already place. Monaco send a letter date August 11th. Everybody seems to get a letter, also the people that did not win. I guess it takes a few days to reach the States. ;-) I got my letter yesterday and I will get a set. Hmm.. interesting.. well yeah, sure, a letter will take longer to get to me than it will to get to .nl from Monaco (France..) .. Congratulations on getting your name drawn.. Thank you Harv, until now it looks like about 80 percent is drawn and only 20 percent is rejected, but this might change of course. I got the letter today. I get to sit on the "20 percent is rejected" bench because I got a "sorry, your name wasn't drawn" letter, not a "Your name was drawn, you lucky *******!" letter .. The other sets will mainly go to coindealers, a small part maybe will be sold by Monnaie de Paris in the online shop. I guess this will be about October/November I'll keep an eye on that.. if you get any advance notice as to when the Monnais de Paris will offer them, post here, please and put MONACO in the subject line.. depending on their price, I might try to get one before they all vanish.. This was also an euro set, issue number 3.500 It was only sold by coindealers and a very few online in the MdP shop, it was in only about half an hour, estimated number 50-100 sold online, rest by dealers Ahh yes, now I remember, I missed that one .. Maybe, we'll see, but if indeed 80% will get the set direct from the museum, I don't think very much more people want it, I know of a lot of collectors that did not send in their coupons because of the price of the sets, and another group is only buying them to sell them as soon as possible on ebay, just like you ;-) It's a matter of what do I need more, a LQQK LQQK RARE!!.. Euro Coin Set, or the money I can get from selling it to pay bills, and the latter usually wins. If I can buy a set, like a Vatican Mint Set, for about $25.00 and sell it for about $250.00 (what the 2004 Sets seem to be going for..) .. then away it goes.. Other Euro Coins I have kept and plan to keep.. I have that fancy blue padded Lighthouse album with all the "easy" countries totally filled.. I filled that up in 2001 by buying all eight coins of each "easy" country from eBay sellers.. so that album is totally full, all the coins are BU, and that's that.. I bought three of the 2004 Spanish Dali Commemoratives including the monster 50 Euro Coin to keep, not to sell.. first of all, they are not re-selling at any premium at all yet, since dealers are not sold out of them yet, and second of all, Dali was one of my art heroes, and the coins are simply too cool for words, especially that 50 Euro Monster.. but hey, there are only 12,000 of those coins in the world, and if someday it is selling for four figures, away it goes.. Sometimes yes, my goal is to turn a quick and healthy profit on eBay, and I don't see anything evil about doing that at all.. I love coins, I collect coins, but I'm not rich, and I have good times and bad times like most other people, so if I am not emotionally attached to something, and someone will pay me ten times what it cost me, hey, they can have it. There are some things I own that would probably mean absolutely nothing to someone else, or might be valuable to someone else, but they mean so much to me, that I would simply never sell them. Some things I buy for the sole purpose of re-selling, and I specialize in a few areas of collecting (not just coins..) .. where I know what something is truly worth, find a seller who doesn't have a clue, get it dirt cheap, then turn around and sell it quickly for a good profit.. Sometimes I do what a lot of people do, and that is "upgrade" a collectible to one in better condition, whether it's a coin, a Vintage toy, a rare record album, a book, or whatever.. No one can have an encyclopedic knowledge of _all_ fields of collectibles, but I DO have an encyclopedic knowledge of some, and I use it to my advantage when buying and selling.. So, I didn't get the lucky Monaco letter.. but maybe I can grab a set later if someone will let us know when they put it up for sale, if there is any advance notice.. Even if the Monnais de Paris puts up a couple hundred sets in the middle of the night, I want to hear about it here.. Harv -- "I almost had a psychic girlfriend, but she left me before we met.." - Steven Wright.. |
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