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  #11  
Old August 27th 05, 01:56 PM
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ps- being you own a DVD rental store, you stand to make money buying a
few DVD's of SWTR and renting them out

my advice to other trackers is, when the movie comes out in rental
stores, rent it and dub yourself a high quality DVD-R or VHS copy.

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Old August 27th 05, 02:43 PM
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"my advice to other trackers is, when the movie comes out in rental
stores, rent it and dub yourself a high quality DVD-R or VHS copy."

Make up your mind. You go on and on about how worthless the film
is...then you end with "make yourself a dub copy."

That is like me saying...THREE'S COMPANY is the dumbest TV show ever
and not worth watching...I strongly suggest that everyone STEAL the
first-season DVDs when they come out.

Furthermore, to my knowledge nobody in that film verbally identifies
themslelves as being homosexual, therefore any assumption that any of
them are as such is based on stereotypes relating to their attire or
mannerisms. Being a 100% heterosexual man who was often mistaken for
being homosexual in high school just because I was short, neat, and
wore Hawaiian shirts every day, I take exception to that premise. You
ought to be ashamed of yourself.

My two cents, for anyone who has not yet seen the film: I think it is
great. This film inspired me ten years ago to re-enter the world of
8-Tracks. I think that it captures the spirit of 8-Track collecting
pretty well; at least the way it was in 1994. It talks to a lot of
different people in a lot of different parts of the country. There are
different age groups represented and lots of different music is
discussed. There's history, trivia, humor, light technical info, and
humor. Bottom line: If you like 8-Tracks you will like the film.

But, that's just me. I don't normally recommend things to people.

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Old August 27th 05, 03:54 PM
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Yep, I do own a dvd store and am bringing in a copy to rent.

One more thing about the "homosexual" aspects of the film, and I'm
giving it a rest. Listening for Russ' commentary he included the
nightclub scene to show all the different communities that embraced the
8-track culture. I also have a feeling it was used to pad the film as
well.

Like you said this is a timepiece of 1990's slackerdom, complete with
Bettie Page hairdos, thrift-store clothes and obsessions with all
things 70s. And it's great. I'm in my late 30s and immediately
started collecting 8-tracks again after watching this film a month ago
and imagine others will to.


marc

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Old August 27th 05, 05:35 PM
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On 27 Aug 2005 06:43:37 -0700, wrote:

"my advice to other trackers is, when the movie comes out in rental
stores, rent it and dub yourself a high quality DVD-R or VHS copy."

Make up your mind. You go on and on about how worthless the film
is...then you end with "make yourself a dub copy."

That is like me saying...THREE'S COMPANY is the dumbest TV show ever
and not worth watching...I strongly suggest that everyone STEAL the
first-season DVDs when they come out. snip


Well, yes, this would be proper logic for Charlie Nudo, who is a
documnted petty thief and con artist.

Furthermore, to my knowledge nobody in that film verbally identifies
themslelves as being homosexual, therefore any assumption that any of
them are as such is based on stereotypes relating to their attire or
mannerisms. Being a 100% heterosexual man who was often mistaken for
being homosexual in high school just because I was short, neat, and
wore Hawaiian shirts every day, I take exception to that premise. You
ought to be ashamed of yourself. snip


Noodles has no "shame." His psychosis prevents him from seeing any
reality, no matter how obvious.

My two cents, for anyone who has not yet seen the film: I think it is
great. This film inspired me ten years ago to re-enter the world of
8-Tracks. I think that it captures the spirit of 8-Track collecting
pretty well; at least the way it was in 1994. It talks to a lot of
different people in a lot of different parts of the country. There are
different age groups represented and lots of different music is
discussed. There's history, trivia, humor, light technical info, and
humor. Bottom line: If you like 8-Tracks you will like the film.

But, that's just me. I don't normally recommend things to people. snip


You might also recommend staying away from this fraudster's 8 track
oriented auctions on eBay...66fourdoor. Fake pressure pads, phony
"alignment" tapes, questionable carts, "Pledge serviced"
decks...caveat emptor!

dB
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Old August 27th 05, 05:55 PM
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On 27 Aug 2005 07:54:45 -0700, wrote:

Yep, I do own a dvd store and am bringing in a copy to rent.

One more thing about the "homosexual" aspects of the film, and I'm
giving it a rest. Listening for Russ' commentary he included the
nightclub scene to show all the different communities that embraced the
8-track culture. I also have a feeling it was used to pad the film as
well. snip


Well, there's only so much subject matter you can put into a docufilm
about 8 tracks and reach full running time...the community of interest
is rather miniscule. I thought it was a good "pad," but I think it
was meant, as you say, to show a cross-subculture bond of interest.

Like you said this is a timepiece of 1990's slackerdom, complete with
Bettie Page hairdos, thrift-store clothes and obsessions with all
things 70s. snip


The film, despite its technical plainness here and there, is a
compelling view into exactly what you stated...'90s "slackerdom," a
social subgroup that's become extinct in itself. Note how quickly all
this changed in the epilog, with the rise of mass access Internet and
eBay. With that, the "real" community sort of quit growing and the
further growth was a "virtual" community, what with this NG (before it
was ruined) and the 8trackheaven Google group.

I seriously doubt, in this day and age, that anyone would take a 10K
mile trek to make such a film, especially with the increasing price of
fuel making even a day trip an unnecessary luxury. We're right on the
cusp of a major, forced cultural change in the US at this time...we're
going from a car-based society to one who cannot afford being such
anymore, but who still can't grasp mass transit and long haul ground
common carriers which were the main means of transportation before GM
"bought" the whole country. That alone is good food for a full length
docufilm, although Roger Moore laid the groundwork already in "Roger
And Me." I just review "Roger" the other night, and see a lot of
similarities in premise between Moore's seminal work and Russ' much
more compact, but still meaningful, film.

dB
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Old August 27th 05, 06:15 PM
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it's worth dubbing to have a copy if you are an 8-track fan, just to
say "yeh, I saw that..."

show that movie to 10 people, and you'll have 9 people that just think
the movie is weird, and they'll also think maybe you are weird too...

as a movie, it's a zero- for a few 8-track tidbits, it's ok

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Old August 27th 05, 06:38 PM
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good points- let me digress...

Russ Forster did some good things for the 8-track format and community-
he made a movie that showcased the format to some extent (although not
a stellar job by any stretch, it was lacking on technical aspects). He
also got the 8-track hobbyists together on a national level.

Where Russ went wrong, was injecting the gay liberal slacker lifestyle
into the movie. A very very small percentage of 8-track hobbyists are
gay or slackers. The movie made it look like 90% of 8-trackers are
gay, weird, losers, lazy, and/or unemployed.

8-track is not the format of losers. There is an older generation from
the 1960-70's era, who cherish the format, and enjoyed it when it was
"modern" and new- and still have all their tapes from that era. I am
among them. When the "newbies" of the 1990's were calling Russ the
"father of 8-tracks", that raised an eyebrow from people such as
myself. It's downright laughable- Russ was not even into 8-tracks
until after the format was obsolete during the 1980's- and the format
made its debut circa 1965.

One of the 8-track sites on the net did a survey to find out which
generation contained the most 8-track hobbyists- the survey showed that
the 1960-70's generation was the largest in the 8-track community.

Yes, Russ did indeed "pad" the film with gay/lesbian/liberal
undertones- and the film's reputation and ratings suffered because of
it. I guess Russ hangs out with those types so he wants to parade and
showcase their lifestyles. Well that liberal lifestyle turns off about
60% of all the 8-trackers out there, who find it morally repulsive and
lame.

Being a slacker is nothing to brag about. Someone who is a lifetime
slacker, is a very sad person indeed.

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Old August 27th 05, 09:54 PM
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http://store.yahoo.com/othercinemadvd/sowrthri.html

here ya go folks, buy a copy for $25 plus shipping, have at it !

better yet, get the $100 institutional version. wow, what a bargain !

http://store.yahoo.com/othercinemadvd/sowrthri.html

or, for blanks and postage, have someone record you a VHS copy from the
DVD, or rent the DVD and make it yourself

your choice, trackers !

ps- gee, that $10 VHS tape on Ebay with free shipping a while back,
doesn't look so bad now, does it...

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Old August 28th 05, 01:02 AM
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Charlie, with all due respect:

show that movie to 10 people, and you'll have 9 people that just think
the movie is weird, and they'll also think maybe you are weird too...
--The movie IS weird. At least a little bit, because it is about a
WEIRD topic. Collecting an audio tape format that went "extinct" two
decades ago is, by conventional standards, WEIRD. What is wrong with
weird?

as a movie, it's a zero- for a few 8-track tidbits, it's ok
--Charlie, do you mind me asking what YOUR 8-track movie would be like,
if you made one?

(although not
a stellar job by any stretch, it was lacking on technical aspects).
--SO WAS THE 8-TRACK.

Where Russ went wrong, was injecting the gay liberal slacker lifestyle
into the movie.
--Again, nobody in the film identifies themselves or is identified by
the narrator as being homosexual, liberal or a slacker. Most of the
people interviewed allude to having some sort of employment. To my
recollection there is no mention of politics whatsoever. While there
are some people depicted in the film that may have stereotypical
mannersims attributed to homosexuals, nobody makes any statements
glorifying the homosexual lifestyle relating to 8-Tracks or otherwise.
Therefore, I assume you are espousing the following opinions:
1. People who act in a way which I percieve as odd are gay.
2. People who hold employment that I percieve to be below my own
station are slackers.
3. People who I percieve to be gay, a slacker or who are otherwise of a
different disposition than myself are liberal...and liberals are bad.

You are simultaneously complaining of generalizations made by another
person about a particular group of people while making generalizations
of your own about several other particular groups of people.

"Yes, Russ did indeed "pad" the film with gay/lesbian/liberal
undertones- and the film's reputation and ratings suffered because of
it."
--So far you are the only person who has anything bad to say about it.
Read the reviews on amazon.com...granted, there are only two...but they
are both positive.

"A very very small percentage of 8-track hobbyists are
gay or slackers. The movie made it look like 90% of 8-trackers are
gay, weird, losers, lazy, and/or unemployed."
--Again, Charlie, the assertion that Russ's subjects were 90%
gay/liberal/slacker is based solely on your own prejiduces and not bsed
on any confirmed fact or any admission from the people in question.

"8-track is not the format of losers."
--Nobody ever said it was.

There is an older generation from
the 1960-70's era, who cherish the format, and enjoyed it when it was
"modern" and new- and still have all their tapes from that era.
--Charlie, I hate to differ with you...but it was that generation that
threw away all their tapes and gave them to thrift stores for the next
generation to discover. It has been my experience over the past 20
years that the people who were part of the 8-Track generation are the
ones who badmouth it the most.

I am
among them. When the "newbies" of the 1990's were calling Russ the
"father of 8-tracks", that raised an eyebrow from people such as
myself. It's downright laughable- Russ was not even into 8-tracks
until after the format was obsolete during the 1980's- and the format
mde its debut circa 1965."
--As were many of us.


"Russ hangs out with those types so he wants to parade and
showcase their lifestyles. Well that liberal lifestyle turns off about

60% of all the 8-trackers out there, who find it morally repulsive and
lame."
--Charlie, you have no call to make these statements. You don't know
Who Russ hangs out with, and I doubt you have any solid market research
to back up your claims as to what percentage of Trackers agree or
disagree with the homosexual/slacker/liberal overtones you claim are
present.

"One of the 8-track sites on the net did a survey to find out which
generation contained the most 8-track hobbyists- the survey showed that

the 1960-70's generation was the largest in the 8-track community."
--I think you'll find a few liberals hanging out in that demographic. I
could make many, many generalizations about conservatives here but I
will refrain.

"Being a slacker is nothing to brag about. Someone who is a lifetime
slacker, is a very sad person indeed."
--This may be, but you have failed to present a solid example of
slackerdom in the film in question.

As always, my comments are respectfully submitted with no offense
intended.

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Old August 28th 05, 09:16 AM
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On 27 Aug 2005 17:02:29 -0700, wrote:

Charlie, with all due respect: snip


He doesn't deserve any. He deserves your kill file. Repeated
attempts to correct his psychotic mind just results in more flatulence
from him. Kill file him, and he goes away.

--So far you are the only person who has anything bad to say about it.
Read the reviews on amazon.com...granted, there are only two...but they
are both positive. snip


He's "got something bad to say about it" because Russ Forster and many
others complained to eBay about his illegal (maybe) and immoral
(certain) duping and selling of "SWTR" on eBay. It got one of his
eBay accounts shut down.

--Charlie, you have no call to make these statements. snip


He's a right wing paranoid delusional nutbag, and he's trying to draw
you into a flame war to try to assert his presence again. Kill filing
him eliminates the problem.

"Being a slacker is nothing to brag about. Someone who is a lifetime
slacker, is a very sad person indeed."
--This may be, but you have failed to present a solid example of
slackerdom in the film in question. snip


As if HE'S got any room to criticize "slackers," when HE'S a slacker
himself! No job, sponges off of daddy's supposed "money," makes money
by screwing people on eBay. If that's not a "slacker," I don't know
what is. He'll come back boasting of his "stellar
feedback"...feedback that's been massaged and fraudulently obtained.

As always, my comments are respectfully submitted with no offense
intended. snip


Nutbags like "Noodles" thrive on getting people churned up with his
whacky nonsense. Ignore the troll now by putting him in your kill
filer. If you're unfortunate to have to rely on "goo goo groopz" for
your Usenet access, simply ignore any of his many fake names, posted
from:

trippin28track @ yahoo.com
tripping28track @ yahoo.com
trippintoo8track @ yahoo.com
coltblackpowder @ hotmail.com
winchester1886 @ hotmail.com
dynobot @ hotmail.com
hsf18 @ epix.net
thenudofamily @ epix.net

(Parsed to get around Google's address filtering algorithm.)

All you have to do is spend some time in the Google Usenet archives to
see how this idiot completely destroyed this NG over a period of about
three years. It's also fun to catch him in many of his lies.

dB
 




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