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Burning Stamp Collection - Proper?
On Oct 7, 11:15 am, Proposition 88
wrote: It most definitely was no troll. Too many of us seniors, who used to collect stamps, are in a similar situation. For many of us, sooner than sell below a fair price to some crooked dealer, by burning our collections we at least get the satisfaction of denying some thief the chance to profit from us. Not all of us have worthwhile charities nearby, either. Anon has posted an average 20 posts a day for years under just that alias. With that time he could have sold all of our stamp collections. This guy in Canada sells stamps to raise money for dogs and cats: http://www.strays.ca/aboutus.htm www.catsanonymous.ca |
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Burning Stamp Collection - Proper?
In , on 10/07/2007
at 05:15 PM, Proposition 88 said: For many of us, sooner than sell below a fair price to some crooked dealer, by burning our collections we at least get the satisfaction of denying some thief the chance to profit from us. You're posting here, as did the OP, so you're internet-capable. If you get a bum offer from a dealer, why not offer for sale here (in the markeyplace group, at least) and try what YOU think is a more reasonable price. Let's say you believe some particular subset is worth $1000 and the dealer offers $100. Why not offer it for sale at $550 (splitting the difference)? Assuming you sell it, the dealer looses out and you've netted $550 than the other (ridiculous, IMO) option. And some other collector may now be happy (noting that a dealer may answer the call, too). If you don't sell it, you can split the difference again and make a new online offer. However, if this happens you gotta start to think that the dealer might be a little more realistic than you had originally thought. Sometimes collectors are a little too attached to their collections ... I've seen it before and I'm NOT a dealer. Someone suggested eBay. Sure, you'd do best splitting a collection up into smaller parts, but offering even a large single lot nets you more than burning does. And, again, you let EVERYONE compete with those pesky dealers, although they might have more cash resources at any given time, perhaps you can connect up with an eager collector with Big Bucks (or who is willing to borrow against his home . The smaller the lots, the more collectors that can participate. There are many ways to "deny" someone from acquiring a collection. Burning it is about the silliest way (note a massive attempt to stay PC by using the work "silliest"). Nick |
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Burning Stamp Collection - Proper?
I think that the problem is in US market. I am for small country and
collecting stamps only for fun. I collect almost everything and doing few hundreds exchange per year. Postal charges are very expensive here and I spend lots of money for sending letters with stamps. In exchange I have received all common stamps I can get. And now, from many countries, I need only expensive pieces. I start to check many Internet auctions, and fill very dummy. I thought that my collection worth something, but I note that you can buy for small amount very nice collection. Especially in US. In last few weeks on Internet I bid on two collections: Switzerland (almost all stamps from Strubli till Pax, without SS)and very nice and populate collections of Italy. Catalog values for both collections are many 1000's of US$. Normaly, I was outbid (my salary is about $1.000) but I am very confused: final price for each collections were bellow $1500. It is very cheap even for me. I realy don't know how it is profitable for owners (in both cases dealers put these items on the internet). By the way, my children are interested only in music and PC games, and my collection probably will be burried with me (or sold to the dealer for few bucks). That is our future. Proposition 88 wrote: It most definitely was no troll. Too many of us seniors, who used to collect stamps, are in a similar situation. For many of us, sooner than sell below a fair price to some crooked dealer, by burning our collections we at least get the satisfaction of denying some thief the chance to profit from us. Not all of us have worthwhile charities nearby, either. On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:59:49 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 02:00:22 -0000, Anonymous wrote: A friend has admitted that in disgust with offers to buy from so-called reputable dealers, he has now started to burn his huge collection. He says that the offers to buy were so insulting, he feels that by burning his collection, at least he will be denying the crooks the chance to make money from him. Apparently his children have no interest in stamp collecting, since they are busy with new families. Like my friend, I also am disgusted with the larger dealers, and have found no worthwhile charities to which I would bequeath my collections. Is burning the only sensible solution? Comments from all, invited. This is a troll in the disguise of the so-called "friend". Do not take it seriously. |
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Burning Stamp Collection - Proper?
Troll or not, the OP is an idiot!
If it is truely worth something, then a dealer knows what it is worth. Either that or sell it on eBay at least. Burining a collectionis a childish act. A dealer knows how long it takes to break up and sell a collection. If the collection had anything of real value a dealer will pay a fair price. ============================================ "Proposition 88" wrote in message ... It most definitely was no troll. Too many of us seniors, who used to collect stamps, are in a similar situation. For many of us, sooner than sell below a fair price to some crooked dealer, by burning our collections we at least get the satisfaction of denying some thief the chance to profit from us. Not all of us have worthwhile charities nearby, either. On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:59:49 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 02:00:22 -0000, Anonymous wrote: A friend has admitted that in disgust with offers to buy from so-called reputable dealers, he has now started to burn his huge collection. He says that the offers to buy were so insulting, he feels that by burning his collection, at least he will be denying the crooks the chance to make money from him. Apparently his children have no interest in stamp collecting, since they are busy with new families. Like my friend, I also am disgusted with the larger dealers, and have found no worthwhile charities to which I would bequeath my collections. Is burning the only sensible solution? Comments from all, invited. This is a troll in the disguise of the so-called "friend". Do not take it seriously. |
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Burning Stamp Collection - Proper?
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 10:37:59 -0700, TL wrote:
On Oct 7, 11:15 am, Proposition 88 wrote: It most definitely was no troll. Too many of us seniors, who used to collect stamps, are in a similar situation. For many of us, sooner than sell below a fair price to some crooked dealer, by burning our collections we at least get the satisfaction of denying some thief the chance to profit from us. Not all of us have worthwhile charities nearby, either. Anon has posted an average 20 posts a day for years under just that alias. With that time he could have sold all of our stamp collections. hehehehehe... as I said and Tom 2nd the motion, he's a troll... This guy in Canada sells stamps to raise money for dogs and cats: http://www.strays.ca/aboutus.htm www.catsanonymous.ca Which is quite cool! |
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Burning Stamp Collection - Proper?
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 14:24:53 -0400, "Nick Knight"
wrote: In , on 10/07/2007 at 05:15 PM, Proposition 88 said: For many of us, sooner than sell below a fair price to some crooked dealer, by burning our collections we at least get the satisfaction of denying some thief the chance to profit from us. You're posting here, as did the OP, so you're internet-capable. If you get a bum offer from a dealer, why not offer for sale here (in the markeyplace group, at least) and try what YOU think is a more reasonable price. Let's say you believe some particular subset is worth $1000 and the dealer offers $100. Why not offer it for sale at $550 (splitting the difference)? Assuming you sell it, the dealer looses out and you've netted $550 than the other (ridiculous, IMO) option. And some other collector may now be happy (noting that a dealer may answer the call, too). If you don't sell it, you can split the difference again and make a new online offer. However, if this happens you gotta start to think that the dealer might be a little more realistic than you had originally thought. Sometimes collectors are a little too attached to their collections ... I've seen it before and I'm NOT a dealer. Someone suggested eBay. Sure, you'd do best splitting a collection up into smaller parts, but offering even a large single lot nets you more than burning does. And, again, you let EVERYONE compete with those pesky dealers, although they might have more cash resources at any given time, perhaps you can connect up with an eager collector with Big Bucks (or who is willing to borrow against his home . The smaller the lots, the more collectors that can participate. There are many ways to "deny" someone from acquiring a collection. Burning it is about the silliest way (note a massive attempt to stay PC by using the work "silliest"). Or a "shill" way to attempt to get someone interested in something that, if not mistaken, is way overpriced... according to what I was offered once anyway. More will be revealed. |
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Burning Stamp Collection - Proper?
On Oct 7, 9:56 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 10:37:59 -0700, TL wrote: On Oct 7, 11:15 am, Proposition 88 wrote: It most definitely was no troll. Too many of us seniors, who used to collect stamps, are in a similar situation. For many of us, sooner than sell below a fair price to some crooked dealer, by burning our collections we at least get the satisfaction of denying some thief the chance to profit from us. Not all of us have worthwhile charities nearby, either. Anon has posted an average 20 posts a day for years under just that alias. With that time he could have sold all of our stamp collections. hehehehehe... as I said and Tom 2nd the motion, he's a troll... This guy in Canada sells stamps to raise money for dogs and cats: http://www.strays.ca/aboutus.htm www.catsanonymous.ca Which is quite cool! Anon, Prop88, Prop13, Kramer, Grosvenor, MattKern, GeorgeOrwell, JimDavidson, Nachrichten etc. etc are all the same person. Countless aliases, thousands of posts per month. The ngs are his life. He really should consider the cats and dogs idea. |
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Burning Stamp Collection - Proper?
On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:48:21 -0700, "Richard C." wrote:
Troll or not, the OP is an idiot! If it is truely worth something, then a dealer knows what it is worth. Either that or sell it on eBay at least. Burining a collectionis a childish act. A dealer knows how long it takes to break up and sell a collection. If the collection had anything of real value a dealer will pay a fair price. NOT IN USA!! Or Canada either. From comments from many senior collectors, it seems there will be a lot of collections getting burned by owners, to avoid getting burned by slimy dealers. And do not mention the crooked auctions, which seem to be worse than the dealers! ============================================ "Proposition 88" wrote in message .. . It most definitely was no troll. Too many of us seniors, who used to collect stamps, are in a similar situation. For many of us, sooner than sell below a fair price to some crooked dealer, by burning our collections we at least get the satisfaction of denying some thief the chance to profit from us. Not all of us have worthwhile charities nearby, either. On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:59:49 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 02:00:22 -0000, Anonymous wrote: A friend has admitted that in disgust with offers to buy from so-called reputable dealers, he has now started to burn his huge collection. He says that the offers to buy were so insulting, he feels that by burning his collection, at least he will be denying the crooks the chance to make money from him. Apparently his children have no interest in stamp collecting, since they are busy with new families. Like my friend, I also am disgusted with the larger dealers, and have found no worthwhile charities to which I would bequeath my collections. Is burning the only sensible solution? Comments from all, invited. This is a troll in the disguise of the so-called "friend". Do not take it seriously. |
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Burning Stamp Collection - Proper?
"Proposition 88" wrote in message
... NOT IN USA!! Or Canada either. From comments from many senior collectors, it seems there will be a lot of collections getting burned by owners, to avoid getting burned by slimy dealers. And do not mention the crooked auctions, which seem to be worse than the dealers! =========================== Sounds like you pick the wrong dealers and auctions. Just what percent of cat should a dealer offer? Why? Most items in a collection will sit in the dealers stock for 20 years. Most of us have an inflated idea of what our collections are worth. Especially collections with 99% of the items with a cat of under $1. Look at eBay....many collections go for big bucks if they have any better items. Ones with only cheap stamps go cheap. |
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