More stamp chat?

Off the top of my head:

www.virtualstampclub.com
www.stamporama.com
chatboards.ebay.com
www.rfrajola.com
groups.msn.com
groups.yahoo.com

I'm sure there are many more that I've forgotten.

I frequent several of the Yahoo groups. That's enough
chat for me. If you consider joining any of the Yahoo
groups, note that the best ones are moderated ("Members
Only"). The others are spam magnets.

Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi
www.jaypex.com


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says...

Hello all,

I love it here. I love most of the people I've met here. But I could
easily handle 20 - 30 times as much traffic in one day.

I used to be a member of stampboards.com, but had a rather nasty run-in
with the enormous Aussie ego who runs the place, resulting in my calling
him a crook and his subsequently deleting incriminating posts *and* my
account. So that's closed to me (and I wouldn't go back if a red carpet
were offered.)

StampWants' boards have knowledgeable people on them, but they are not
mature yet either, and are even lower-bandwidth than here.

I don't miss Glen, but I miss the community of people on stampboards.com
-- and the VOLUME! I want to talk stamps more and more and more.

So does anyone here haunt other venues? I think I can help others on
some subjects, and I know I *need* help on others.

Another option would be to get all the lurkers to be active posters, and
get this to be a high-traffic board -- not the twenty or so messages I
see per day.

I hate to step in and be cheerleader. It's not in my nature, and I look
terrible holding pom-poms. But I'm dying out here, not having enough
stamp chat.

I guess that's all. Over to you.

--
Joshua H. McGee, Los Angeles, California, USA
Member: APS, ATA, ISWSC, AFDCS, MBPC, MCC, BPS
President: http://www.penguinstamps.org
Trade?: http://www.mcgees.org/stamp-offers/

Personally I enjoy this newsgroup. There is a wide range of expertise,
and there is plenty of activity. News is fast to download and
my newsreader manages the threads in an easy manner in exactly the same
way as my emails.

I see no purpose in the other groups, frankly.

There is some spam on here, but relatively little and generally easy
to spot. Those who use bad language or are offensive simply
demonstrate that there are a number of very sad people in the world.

--
Tony Clayton
Coins of the UK : http://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk
Sent using RISCOS on an Acorn Strong Arm RiscPC
.... "640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gate

Sir F. A. Rien wrote:


He's talking about the kind of 'moderation' as done on stampboards.com!
AKA "Censorship"!!!

Would you care to quote chapter and verse for that assertion?

Tony

"Sir F. A. Rien" wrote in message
...

"Moderation" as applied to boards and newsgroups means that each message
is
screened and only those deemed 'appropriate' by such 'moderator' are
allowed
to be passed on to the readers of the board or group.

Simply ... CENSORSHIP!

"Censorship" is a term pertaining only to governmental action. No private
action is censorship. No private individual or agency can silence a man or
suppress a publication; only the government can do so. The freedom of speech
of private individuals includes the right not to agree, not to listen and
not to finance one's own antagonists.
http://www.aynrandlexicon.org/lexicon/censorship.html

An example of censorship (the first found in Google, there are so many), as
referring to stamps:

"Censorship is the vetting of mail for possible sensitive information by
official agencies authorized to perform this task. ... Most censored mail
with Scout stamps that can be found have dates from the period of World War
II and immediately afterwards, due to the fact that World War I was over
before the first official Scout topical stamp issue by a state. "
http://www.sossi.org/censor/censor.htm

--
Victor Manta (aka Torquemanta in SNA)

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On Sat, 31 May 2008 21:58:11 +0200, "Victor Manta"
wrote:

"Sir F. A. Rien" wrote in message
.. .

"Moderation" as applied to boards and newsgroups means that each message
is
screened and only those deemed 'appropriate' by such 'moderator' are
allowed
to be passed on to the readers of the board or group.

Simply ... CENSORSHIP!

"Censorship" is a term pertaining only to governmental action. No private
action is censorship. No private individual or agency can silence a man or
suppress a publication; only the government can do so. The freedom of speech
of private individuals includes the right not to agree, not to listen and
not to finance one's own antagonists.
http://www.aynrandlexicon.org/lexicon/censorship.html

Normally, Victor, this is the case. In Usenet, however, different
rules oft apply. Cyberspace doesn't always follow societal rules and
regulations and that's why some "officials" are ****ed.

"Censorship is the vetting of mail for possible sensitive information by
official agencies authorized to perform this task.

Let's translate this into an evil moderator's verbiage.

"Censorship is the vetting of mail"

Censorship is the vetting of e-mail and Usenet postings...

"for possible sensitive information"

for a post that the moderator *** perceives *** as not in the interest
of the group (how dare he!) -OR- because of personal pet peeves (well,
I never...) -OR- because he /she are general poopyheads...

"by official agencies authorized to perform this task."

In this case, this is the group's moderator. That person or persons
have the ability to curb ANY incoming item not to their liking.

In Yahoo, there's a group I lurk / read / participate in / blah, blah,
blah and there's 2 moderators - they can stop incoming messages. 99.9%
of the time, it is for outright spam, but I have seen people being
"moderated" out of the group and some re-instated.

If we look at the classical case of censorship, it is a societal
thing, much like you mentioned. If we look at Usenet, it can be
anyone with the capability of stopping said message at the door,
whether it be good, bad or indifferent.

The way to "moderate" moderation is to moderate the person not the
message. The majority of people who post here ( except me !! ) are
polite, reasonable and relevant. IMHO such people are a waste of a
moderator's time to moderate. Perhaps however a " 3 strikes are out "
rule would be apposite. 3 obviously objectionable posts means
moderation for the next 3 months, and new posters should be moderated
for say the first 10 posts then they be deemed OK. I am a technophobe
so I am unable to say whether this type of option is possible. It
would also mean that as I see it most of the posters here are regular
to a greater or lesser extent, the time commitment for moderator(s)
would be small.

Stamporama seems to operate on some sort of variation on this theme
( I do not know the technicalities ).

I frequent stampboards, and I know what you mean about the ego -
however at the risk of upsetting our antipodeian friends, Australians
are known to be "Robust in their honesty " (syn. "rude") and have
Rhino skins to match when on the receiving end of such robustness - if
you can accept that then fine if not stay away. Of course it is easy
for me as I have not been on the receiving end. However I have to say
that as far as "intellectual content" in relation to philately it has
no equal, and begging everone's pardon here and on the other boards I
frequent it is by some considerable margin.

This is now I think no.2 on my list ( it used to be Stamporama , which
while still good has declined somewhat by as much as this has
improved. I suspect that there are a number of defectors from there to
here - although I recognise a lot of people like me who visit both
regularly). Stampwants is improving fast, VSC is average only - mainly
lists of new issues. For USA specialised the Yahoo specialised group
is best for me, the Frajola board is good for postal history but has
far more egos than Stampboards.

But for the ultimate scholarly info visit the Yahoo group "Mulready"
GB QV only - intellectually this is in the stratosphere, far above my
head - they can have 60 or 70 posts over a week or more discussing the
"plating" of one 1d red !!

Malcolm


On May 31, 10:31*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2008 21:58:11 +0200, "Victor Manta"





wrote:
"Sir F. A. Rien" wrote in message
.. .

"Moderation" as applied to boards and newsgroups means that each message
is
screened and only those deemed 'appropriate' by such 'moderator' are
allowed
to be passed on to the readers of the board or group.

Simply ... CENSORSHIP!

"Censorship" is a term pertaining only to governmental action. No private
action is censorship. No private individual or agency can silence a man or
suppress a publication; only the government can do so. The freedom of speech
of private individuals includes the right not to agree, not to listen and
not to finance one's own antagonists.
http://www.aynrandlexicon.org/lexicon/censorship.html

Normally, Victor, this is the case. *In Usenet, however, different
rules oft apply. *Cyberspace doesn't always follow societal rules and
regulations and that's why some "officials" are ****ed.

"Censorship is the vetting of mail for possible sensitive information by
official agencies authorized to perform this task.

Let's translate this into an evil moderator's verbiage.

"Censorship is the vetting of mail"

Censorship is the vetting of e-mail and Usenet postings...

"for possible sensitive information"

for a post that the moderator *** perceives *** as not in the interest
of the group (how dare he!) -OR- because of personal pet peeves (well,
I never...) -OR- because he /she are general poopyheads...

"by official agencies authorized to perform this task."

In this case, this is the group's moderator. *That person or persons
have the ability to curb ANY incoming item not to their liking.

In Yahoo, there's a group I lurk / read / participate in / blah, blah,
blah and there's 2 moderators - they can stop incoming messages. 99.9%
of the time, it is for outright spam, but I have seen people being
"moderated" out of the group and some re-instated.

If we look at the classical case of censorship, it is a societal
thing, much like you mentioned. *If we look at Usenet, it can be
anyone with the capability of stopping said message at the door,
whether it be good, bad or indifferent.- Hide quoted text -

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On 11 Jun 2008 23:54:44 GMT, Joshua McGee
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:04:30 -0700, Sir F. A. Rien wrote:

malcolm found these unused words:

But for the ultimate scholarly info visit the Yahoo group "Mulready" GB
QV only - intellectually this is in the stratosphere, far above my head
- they can have 60 or 70 posts over a week or more discussing the
"plating" of one 1d red !!

Malcolm

The plating really takes place on:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plating/messages

and Malcom is referring to the 1d 'stars', where the plating is done by
letter position, frame line differences and other minutae.

Plating the 1d perforated stars is how I torture (self-medicate?) myself.

Some of the best works are long out of print. I have some (Tonna and
others) but others (Wiggins, etc.) that are harder to find I've borrowed
from the APRL and photocopied the entirety (shhhh).

Uh oh...

I know it's the wrong group for this, but contact me
offline if you're interested in the five volume set
"The Plating of Alphabet III" or a Fisher-Brown "The
Plating of the Penny" Vol. 1 (Die 1, Plates 1a to 45),
Revised Edition.

Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi
www.jaypex.com


In article ,
says...

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:24:31 -0700, Sir F. A. Rien wrote:

They must look great, laser dot copy of a poor half-tone!

I've enough trouble with the originals!

Reasonably priced originals often appear in the 'publications' section
of eBay.

I'm keeping my eyes open. If I find an original, I'll buy it! If
someone secures reprint rights, I'll buy that! Until then, at least I
have a "crib sheet". :^)


--
Joshua H. McGee, Los Angeles, California, USA
Member: APS, ATA, ISWSC, AFDCS, MBPC, MCC, BPS
President: http://www.penguinstamps.org
Trade?: http://www.mcgees.org/stamp-offers/

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:24:31 -0700, Sir F. A. Rien
wrote:

found these unused words:

On 11 Jun 2008 23:54:44 GMT, Joshua McGee
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:04:30 -0700, Sir F. A. Rien wrote:

malcolm found these unused words:

But for the ultimate scholarly info visit the Yahoo group "Mulready" GB
QV only - intellectually this is in the stratosphere, far above my head
- they can have 60 or 70 posts over a week or more discussing the
"plating" of one 1d red !!

Malcolm

The plating really takes place on:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plating/messages

and Malcom is referring to the 1d 'stars', where the plating is done by
letter position, frame line differences and other minutae.

Plating the 1d perforated stars is how I torture (self-medicate?) myself.

Some of the best works are long out of print. I have some (Tonna and
others) but others (Wiggins, etc.) that are harder to find I've borrowed
from the APRL and photocopied the entirety (shhhh).

Uh oh...

They must look great, laser dot copy of a poor half-tone!

I've enough trouble with the originals!

Reasonably priced originals often appear in the 'publications' section of
eBay.

BUT - there are some you JUST HAVE to get. I have a few folders
scanned. Since then, I have seen maybe 2 out of 10 possible books on
the market. Odd birds, to be sure.