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"ian-b" wrote in message
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In a related matter, Britain recently issued a set of World Cup stamps
showing the flags of the winning nations since 1996, including England,
with the St George's flag (not the UK Union Flag).

A potential customer in Israel wanted me to send the stamps with the
offensive cross removed, deleted, replaced by 'UK' or anything, but he
didn't want the (Christian symbol) of the cross.

"removed, deleted, replaced by 'UK' or anything" by whom? By you or by the
PA, i.e. a special stamp issued for him? If its by you, then he can do it by
himself (a perfin maybe, done with a needle .

BTW, he cannot then collect some of the philatelically most interesting
Swiss stamps, issued between 1849 and 1905 (+ many others) but, of course,
this is his own choice, like so many choices that the collectors have to do,
for so many reasons.

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I once read in philatelic magazine about a Jewish person who was
concerned about the legitimacy of collecting stamps with symbolism or
pictures of religious subjects of other faiths. Being a particularly
devout person he took his problem to a Rabbi. There then followed a
particularly abstruse theological dis cussion the outcome of which was
that basically to collect a christian icon which was used in worship
was forbidden, but a stamp containing a picture of said icon - and not
actually used in worship was permitted.If one accepts that argument (
and not being Jewish, or remembering the actual content of the
specifics I could not say one way or another ) the motion of the person
making the original complaint is not carried.

I would also like to say that such an attitude is not conducive to
increasing any sympathy that may be around for Israel in its current
difficulties, and in that situation people ought to give some thought
to the possible repercussions of voicing such opinions. the Middle East
conflict,like many wars, is as much about hearts and minds as it is
about military conflict, and it is incumbent on everyone whether
belligerent or not, to "put brain in gear before engaging mouth - or
pen"




Victor Manta wrote:
"ian-b" wrote in message
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In a related matter, Britain recently issued a set of World Cup stamps
showing the flags of the winning nations since 1996, including England,
with the St George's flag (not the UK Union Flag).

A potential customer in Israel wanted me to send the stamps with the
offensive cross removed, deleted, replaced by 'UK' or anything, but he
didn't want the (Christian symbol) of the cross.

"removed, deleted, replaced by 'UK' or anything" by whom? By you or by the
PA, i.e. a special stamp issued for him? If its by you, then he can do it by
himself (a perfin maybe, done with a needle .

BTW, he cannot then collect some of the philatelically most interesting
Swiss stamps, issued between 1849 and 1905 (+ many others) but, of course,
this is his own choice, like so many choices that the collectors have to do,
for so many reasons.

--
Victor Manta

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ian-b wrote:
In a related matter, Britain recently issued a set of World Cup stamps
showing the flags of the winning nations since 1996, including England,
with the St George's flag (not the UK Union Flag).
A potential customer in Israel wanted me to send the stamps with the
offensive cross removed, deleted, replaced by 'UK' or anything, but he
didn't want the (Christian symbol) of the cross.

Actually I find that extremely offensive, showing respect for others
should be a normal aspect of human decency. Unfortunately intolerance
seems to rear its ugly head irrespective of race, creed or religion and
is not confined to any particular group.
After the disastrous boxing day earthquake in 2004, a local church held
a prayer session for the victims. Alongside clergy from various
Christian denominations, prayers were offered by a Jewish rabbi and
cantor, as well by a Muslim imam. None seemed offended by the prominent
cross.
Clive

Has anyone noticed that in the recent war in Lebanon, all the medics and
ambulances had the red cross on them? The majority of those were Moslems.

Tony

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ian-b wrote:
In a related matter, Britain recently issued a set of World Cup stamps
showing the flags of the winning nations since 1996, including England,
with the St George's flag (not the UK Union Flag).
A potential customer in Israel wanted me to send the stamps with the
offensive cross removed, deleted, replaced by 'UK' or anything, but he
didn't want the (Christian symbol) of the cross.

Actually I find that extremely offensive, showing respect for others
should be a normal aspect of human decency. Unfortunately intolerance
seems to rear its ugly head irrespective of race, creed or religion and
is not confined to any particular group.
After the disastrous boxing day earthquake in 2004, a local church held
a prayer session for the victims. Alongside clergy from various
Christian denominations, prayers were offered by a Jewish rabbi and
cantor, as well by a Muslim imam. None seemed offended by the prominent
cross.
Clive





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A.E. Gelat wrote:
Has anyone noticed that in the recent war in Lebanon, all the medics and
ambulances had the red cross on them? The majority of those were Moslems.

Tony


I found that rather intriguing .
It can probably be ascribed to Lebanon having had a Christian majority
until some time in the last 20 to 30 years, and the government is
still, I believe secular. Though that will probably change in the next
few years.

wrote:

A.E. Gelat wrote:

Has anyone noticed that in the recent war in Lebanon, all the medics and
ambulances had the red cross on them? The majority of those were Moslems.

Tony



I found that rather intriguing .
It can probably be ascribed to Lebanon having had a Christian majority
until some time in the last 20 to 30 years, and the government is
still, I believe secular. Though that will probably change in the next
few years.

The Lebanese government is required by their constitution to have
the top positions divided among different religions, and the President
is required to be a Maronite Christian. As of a 1989 agreement, the
Assembly of Representatives is divided equally with 64 Christian seats
and 64 Muslim seats. Of course, there are endless disagreements over
how the divisions are to be drawn up, which regions are designated as
being led by which religion, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Lebanon

Ryan

The point I wanted to make was that the Lebanese Moslems do not object to
the use of the red cross on their uniforms and ambulances.

Tony

"Ryan Davenport" wrote in message
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wrote:

A.E. Gelat wrote:

Has anyone noticed that in the recent war in Lebanon, all the medics and
ambulances had the red cross on them? The majority of those were
Moslems.

Tony



I found that rather intriguing .
It can probably be ascribed to Lebanon having had a Christian majority
until some time in the last 20 to 30 years, and the government is
still, I believe secular. Though that will probably change in the next
few years.

The Lebanese government is required by their constitution to have the
top positions divided among different religions, and the President is
required to be a Maronite Christian. As of a 1989 agreement, the Assembly
of Representatives is divided equally with 64 Christian seats and 64
Muslim seats. Of course, there are endless disagreements over how the
divisions are to be drawn up, which regions are designated as being led by
which religion, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Lebanon

Ryan



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Victor Manta wrote:
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"removed, deleted, replaced by 'UK' or anything" by whom? By you or by the
PO, i.e. a special stamp issued for him? If its by you, then he can do it by
himself (a perfin maybe, done with a needle .

Hi Victor, sorry I've been away for a few days.
I don't know the answer to your questions. I guess he wanted me to do
it, but his English language was so poor I couldn't spend too much time
trying to work around what he wanted. I just told him we couldn't do
it.

I think he didn't want the letter to get to him, and be opened by
Customs, and for a Christian symbol be seen on its way to him.

I have a philatelic 'friend' who is a rabbi - I must talk to him about
this!

Cheers
Ian

ian-b wrote:
I think he didn't want the letter to get to him, and be opened by
Customs, and for a Christian symbol be seen on its way to him.


Seems an unlikely reason, there are many Christians in Israel who are
perfectly free to receive Christian symbols without interference from
Customs.
Once can only surmise that this particular individual is a narrow
minded git.
Clive