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Have I been shilled?
I won an auction on ebay beating another bidder who, according to his
stats, has "Bid activity (%) with this seller: 90%". The bidders feedback is only 41. Do I have grounds to register a complaint to either the seller or ebay? Without this bidder, I would have received the item for $50 less. |
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Have I been shilled?
"randiR" wrote in message 2... I won an auction on ebay beating another bidder who, according to his stats, has "Bid activity (%) with this seller: 90%". The bidders feedback is only 41. Do I have grounds to register a complaint to either the seller or ebay? Without this bidder, I would have received the item for $50 less. Complaining to the seller would be fruitless since if it was a case of shilling, he would be complicit and would deny everything anyway. OTOH, since you won the item at a price you were apparently willing to pay, I don't see what you have to complain of. |
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Have I been shilled?
"Beanie" wrote in message ... "randiR" wrote in message 2... I won an auction on ebay beating another bidder who, according to his stats, has "Bid activity (%) with this seller: 90%". The bidders feedback is only 41. Do I have grounds to register a complaint to either the seller or ebay? Without this bidder, I would have received the item for $50 less. Complaining to the seller would be fruitless since if it was a case of shilling, he would be complicit and would deny everything anyway. OTOH, since you won the item at a price you were apparently willing to pay, I don't see what you have to complain of. All that said, that 90% doesn't necessarily mean you've been shilled. I've seen numerous similar cases that were legit. |
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Have I been shilled?
On Nov 26, 4:38*pm, "Naissur Bara" wrote:
"Beanie" wrote in .... "randiR" wrote in message 42... I won an auction on ebay beating another bidder who, according to his stats, has "Bid activity (%) with this seller: 90%". The bidders feedback is only 41. Do I have grounds to register a complaint to either the seller or ebay? Without this bidder, I would have received the item for $50 less. Complaining to the seller would be fruitless since if it was a case of shilling, he would be complicit and would deny everything anyway. OTOH, since you won the item at a price you were apparently willing to pay, I don't see what you have to complain of. All that said, that 90% doesn't necessarily mean you've been shilled. I've seen numerous similar cases that were legit. Bidding war, perhaps? I once found a mis-categorized PCGS MS-66 1970- D Kennedy Half (I don't remember where I found it, but it wasn't listed in U.S. Coins or U.S. Halves). I was looking to get it for my son for Christmas. I put in my initial bid and waited. I ended up in a bidding war in the last minute, eventually losing. Once it was over, I sent an e-mail to the winner (buyer's IDs were viewable back then), congratulating him on his win. And within an hour he'd sent a reply, wondering if I was a shill. I assured him, if my fingers were just a little faster, I would have won. No shill. Jerry Did end up buying a PCGS MS-65 from one of RCC's regulars. Son is happy with it. |
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On Nov 27, 12:50*pm, Jerry Dennis wrote:
On Nov 26, 4:38*pm, "Naissur Bara" wrote: "Beanie" wrote in ... "randiR" wrote in message 42... I won an auction on ebay beating another bidder who, according to his stats, has "Bid activity (%) with this seller: 90%". The bidders feedback is only 41. Do I have grounds to register a complaint to either the seller or ebay? Without this bidder, I would have received the item for $50 less. Complaining to the seller would be fruitless since if it was a case of shilling, he would be complicit and would deny everything anyway. OTOH, since you won the item at a price you were apparently willing to pay, I don't see what you have to complain of. All that said, that 90% doesn't necessarily mean you've been shilled. I've seen numerous similar cases that were legit. Bidding war, perhaps? *I once found a mis-categorized PCGS MS-66 1970- D Kennedy Half (I don't remember where I found it, but it wasn't listed in U.S. Coins or U.S. Halves). *I was looking to get it for my son for Christmas. *I put in my initial bid and waited. *I ended up in a bidding war in the last minute, eventually losing. *Once it was over, I sent an e-mail to the winner (buyer's IDs were viewable back then), congratulating him on his win. *And within an hour he'd sent a reply, wondering if I was a shill. *I assured him, if my fingers were just a little faster, I would have won. *No shill. Jerry Did end up buying a PCGS MS-65 from one of RCC's regulars. *Son is happy with it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I can remember when the 1970-D Kennedy USED to be an above average thingie, but the market certainly doesn't treat it that way anymore. Just one more thing that marks me as a dinosaur. oly |
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On Nov 27, 2:46*pm, oly wrote:
On Nov 27, 12:50*pm, Jerry Dennis wrote: On Nov 26, 4:38*pm, "Naissur Bara" wrote: "Beanie" wrote in ... "randiR" wrote in message 42... I won an auction on ebay beating another bidder who, according to his stats, has "Bid activity (%) with this seller: 90%". The bidders feedback is only 41. Do I have grounds to register a complaint to either the seller or ebay? Without this bidder, I would have received the item for $50 less. Complaining to the seller would be fruitless since if it was a case of shilling, he would be complicit and would deny everything anyway. OTOH, since you won the item at a price you were apparently willing to pay, I don't see what you have to complain of. All that said, that 90% doesn't necessarily mean you've been shilled. I've seen numerous similar cases that were legit. Bidding war, perhaps? *I once found a mis-categorized PCGS MS-66 1970- D Kennedy Half (I don't remember where I found it, but it wasn't listed in U.S. Coins or U.S. Halves). *I was looking to get it for my son for Christmas. *I put in my initial bid and waited. *I ended up in a bidding war in the last minute, eventually losing. *Once it was over, I sent an e-mail to the winner (buyer's IDs were viewable back then), congratulating him on his win. *And within an hour he'd sent a reply, wondering if I was a shill. *I assured him, if my fingers were just a little faster, I would have won. *No shill. Jerry Did end up buying a PCGS MS-65 from one of RCC's regulars. *Son is happy with it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I can remember when the 1970-D Kennedy USED to be an above average thingie, but the market certainly doesn't treat it that way anymore. Just one more thing that marks me as a dinosaur. oly You and me both, oly. Jerry Turning older in January. |
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On 11/26/2010 1:31 PM, Beanie wrote:
wrote in message 2... I won an auction on ebay beating another bidder who, according to his stats, has "Bid activity (%) with this seller: 90%". The bidders feedback is only 41. Do I have grounds to register a complaint to either the seller or ebay? Without this bidder, I would have received the item for $50 less. Complaining to the seller would be fruitless since if it was a case of shilling, he would be complicit and would deny everything anyway. OTOH, since you won the item at a price you were apparently willing to pay, I don't see what you have to complain of. Back on December 4, 2009 I watched what had to be a shill going on for a piece of electronic equipment. The item that should have been about $25, based on past auctions I watched, wound up going for $103.62 after 10 bids. Considering the limited use of the item in question, 10 bids was rather unusual but the three bidders were all feedback of between zero and two. After the auction ended, I bookmarked the item page to wait for feedback to appear to get an idea of who was so stupid to pay an overly inflated price (this is one hole in the eBay privacy setup - unless feedback is kept private, you can see the item and the buyer listed in the sellers feedback). Oddly enough, feedback never appeared and buyers "disappeared". The seller is now NARU. What is strange about the NARU is the seller had a feedback of 1349 with 99.8% positive so this was not some fly-by-night operation. I do get suspicious when I am winning an auction at a good price and some new buyer with a very very low feedback (less than 10) suddenly makes a bid towards the end of the auction. I even had one where a buyer beat me yet no feedback ever appeared for either the buyer or the seller. I am guessing the seller or a friend of the seller wanted to bump the price but got stuck "buying" the item, as I was not willing to increase my bid, and decided not to relist for fear of triggering an investigation. |
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Have I been shilled?
"randiR" wrote in message 2... I won an auction on ebay beating another bidder who, according to his stats, has "Bid activity (%) with this seller: 90%". The bidders feedback is only 41. Do I have grounds to register a complaint to either the seller or ebay? Without this bidder, I would have received the item for $50 less. How did you find the bidder's ID and history anyway? eBay now disguises bidder IDs on the bid history page. |
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Have I been shilled?
"Beanie" wrote in :
"randiR" wrote in message 2... I won an auction on ebay beating another bidder who, according to his stats, has "Bid activity (%) with this seller: 90%". The bidders feedback is only 41. Do I have grounds to register a complaint to either the seller or ebay? Without this bidder, I would have received the item for $50 less. How did you find the bidder's ID and history anyway? eBay now disguises bidder IDs on the bid history page. The bidders id still masked but the history of the bidder in regards to the seller is information provided by Ebay by clicking on the bidders name. |
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Have I been shilled?
On Nov 26, 10:44*am, randiR wrote:
I won an auction on ebay beating another bidder who, according to his stats, has "Bid activity (%) with this seller: * * 90%". The bidders feedback is only 41. Do I have grounds to register a complaint to either the seller or ebay? Without this bidder, I would have received the item for $50 less.. There is a simple solution - just bid what you are willing to pay. |
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