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Floating menu. Was: Evaluation of Philatelic Websites Revisited
"Billns" wrote in message
... On 4/3/2012 12:12 PM, Victor Manta wrote: "Sir F.A. Rien" wrote in message ... On 4/1/2012 11:29 PM, Victor Manta wrote: http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm Your feedback is welcomed. Your floating menu bar is ok when scrolling down, but flies back up when scrolling up. It is your choice, of course, but I would have left the menu bar fixed at the top of the page and have it disappear as the reader scrolls through your document. Apparently nobody ever puts "return to top" links in a scrolling window anymore. Bill Thanks for commenting. The obvious disadvantage of putting a fixed menu bar in a scrolling windows is that it disappears when scrolling. One has to scroll back to reach the menu bar, operation that can be tedious for longer pages (and sometimes they have to be long). The "simple" idea is to create a fixed region, in my case on the top of all pages and to put the navbar there. But how to do it in a simple way? The simplest is to use frames but they have many, known disadvantages. Another solution is to use SSI, but one has to get access to them on the server which is another pain. I have tried something by using CSS but so far unsuccessfully, because I couldn't run the navbar's JS code in it. An easy solution is welcomed. -- Victor Manta |
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Floating menu. Was: Evaluation of Philatelic Websites Revisited
Good morning Victor,
The content of the article seems to be right on, however, I feel that judging guidelines should be based on, and be similar to those used for print literature. For the menu bar, I would propose that you widen the left margin of the page and have it "float" in the space that is created. That way you can maintain the variable position, with no impact on the text of the article being obscured by any scrolling. Alyn |
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Floating menu. Was: Evaluation of Philatelic Websites Revisited
"Alyn" wrote in message
news:20494852.3422.1333544734323.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbdy9... Good morning Victor, The content of the article seems to be right on, however, I feel that judging guidelines should be based on, and be similar to those used for print literature. For the menu bar, I would propose that you widen the left margin of the page and have it "float" in the space that is created. That way you can maintain the variable position, with no impact on the text of the article being obscured by any scrolling. Alyn Hello Alyn and RCSD, Many thanks for your comments. We talk here about my recent article: http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm There are similarities between philatelic websites and the printed literature but there are also important differences, which make the former a separate category from the later. One example of differences, among many others, is the second subject of your posting, a problem that doesn't exist for the printed literature. A disadvantage of your proposal is that it creates a quite big block of text that is moved on the left site of each page. Compare this with "my" solution, where I "eat" just two line of text, in a region where a scrolled text is rarely read. Another disadvantage is that the implementation demands the creation of a large fixed region on the left side, and then we return to the problem that I tried to explain in my posting to Bill, in this thread. -- Victor Manta, PWO, AIJP ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philatelic Webmasters Organization: http://pwmo.org/ Art on Stamps: http://artonstamps.org/ Romania by Stamps: http://marci-postale.com/ Communism on Stamps: http://reds-on.postalstamps.biz/ Spanish North Africa: http://www.sna-on.postalstamps.biz/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Floating menu. Was: Evaluation of Philatelic Websites Revisited
Victor Manta wrote :
A disadvantage of your proposal is that it creates a quite big block of text that is moved on the left site of each page. Compare this with "my" solution, where I "eat" just two line of text, in a region where a scrolled text is rarely read. Hello Victor, You are right : Alyn's proposal would conduct to reduce too much the useful text. Nevertheless I agree with those saying that these scrolling stuffs are *very* annoying. As you say they hide two lines of the text, but IMHO this is not the most important. What is very boring is that the reader of your page feels offended by this moving device which scrolls *independantly of his wishes*. At least it is the case for me. I think that the *only* solution is to leave this window *steady* at the top of your window. -- All the best, Amicalement Pierre Courtiade |
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Floating menu. Was: Evaluation of Philatelic Websites Revisited
Good morning Victor,
I agree that there are fundamental differences between Web and traditional print media, but for consistency very few modifications to exhibiting regulations should be made for web media. The American Philatelic Society in their April members newsletter has announced a website competition for their affiliates and chapters. More info can be found he http://stamps.org/CAC/cac_wsa.htm. My monitor at home and work would not have a very large block of text at the left of the article. You could dedicate maybe 10% of the left side of the page. Alternately you could also use context menus (right click), but most of the scripts I have found for this functionality is for I.E. only. |
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Floating menu. Was: Evaluation of Philatelic Websites Revisited
"Pierre COURTIADE" wrote in message
... Victor Manta wrote : A disadvantage of your proposal is that it creates a quite big block of text that is moved on the left site of each page. Compare this with "my" solution, where I "eat" just two line of text, in a region where a scrolled text is rarely read. Hello Victor, You are right : Alyn's proposal would conduct to reduce too much the useful text. Nevertheless I agree with those saying that these scrolling stuffs are *very* annoying. As you say they hide two lines of the text, but IMHO this is not the most important. What is very boring is that the reader of your page feels offended by this moving device which scrolls *independantly of his wishes*. At least it is the case for me. I think that the *only* solution is to leave this window *steady* at the top of your window. Hi Pierre and RCSD, The problem with Alyn's proposal is not that it takes too much space on the screen, today's screens being quite large. The problem is a rather ergonomic one, the movement of large blocks of text being per se somehow disturbing. The wishes of users are very different, and often contradictory. Those who really feel "offended" by a particular implementation are, IMHO, in the situation that I describe in what follows. When I was about 30 years old, and I was sitting in a crowded bus, I noticed a lady, in her late 50th, who was standing near me. Naturally, I stood up and offered her my place but, to my big surprise, she took an offended look and admonished me, by shouting that she is not so old to sit. This was my "reward" for trying to be useful... Well, I don't want to be stubborn either, and for this reason if several readers nevertheless let me know that they feel offended by the movement of this navbar too, then I will glue it with two hinges to the top of the scrolling pages (which, btw, is the easiest way). http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm If any others (Alyn did it already) were commenting also on the contents of the page, which I'm trying to improve, then I would be even more grateful. Many TIA. -- Victor Manta, PWO, AIJP ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philatelic Webmasters Organization: http://pwmo.org/ Art on Stamps: http://artonstamps.org/ Romania by Stamps: http://marci-postale.com/ Communism on Stamps: http://reds-on.postalstamps.biz/ Spanish North Africa: http://www.sna-on.postalstamps.biz/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Floating menu. Was: Evaluation of Philatelic Websites Revisited
"Alyn" wrote in message
news:18124635.1390.1333630475570.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbiz13... Good morning Victor, I agree that there are fundamental differences between Web and traditional print media, but for consistency very few modifications to exhibiting regulations should be made for web media. The American Philatelic Society in their April members newsletter has announced a website competition for their affiliates and chapters. More info can be found he http://stamps.org/CAC/cac_wsa.htm. My monitor at home and work would not have a very large block of text at the left of the article. You could dedicate maybe 10% of the left side of the page. Alternately you could also use context menus (right click), but most of the scripts I have found for this functionality is for I.E. only. Hello Alyn and RCSD, Well, provisional modifications were probably accepted already 15 years ago by the Literature Commission of FIP, when they started the philatelic websites evaluations. As I presented on my page: http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm after four edition they stopped the evaluations, stipulating that the differences between digital and printed media are too important, and for this reason the Special Regulations for the Evaluation of Philatelic Literature Exhibits at F.I.P. Exhibitions don't include digital media. Thanks for the info and for the link to the APS website competition. Unfortunately, it is a very limited one, which is the result of the facts that they look for themselves (perfectly justifiable under actual circumstances) and that the participation is free (being actually covered by the membership fees). As I have written to Pierre, I see no problem with the 10% of the space taken off on the side. One of my problems is a rather an esthetical one. Another is technical, that of creating a fixed region for the menu, as I already mentioned. If I had a solution, I had preferred to put the menu on top. I have considered the context menus but I have rejected them because usually the users don't read the initial instructions and immediately look for the menu. If it isn't under their eyes, they navigate away from the site. It is also possible that users like Pierre could be offended by something that they don't expect. -- Victor Manta, PWO, AIJP ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philatelic Webmasters Organization: http://pwmo.org/ Art on Stamps: http://artonstamps.org/ Romania by Stamps: http://marci-postale.com/ Communism on Stamps: http://reds-on.postalstamps.biz/ Spanish North Africa: http://www.sna-on.postalstamps.biz/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Floating menu. Was: Evaluation of Philatelic Websites Revisited
Victor Manta wrote :
Hi Pierre and RCSD, The problem with Alyn's proposal is not that it takes too much space on the screen, today's screens being quite large. The problem is a rather ergonomic one, the movement of large blocks of text being per se somehow disturbing. The wishes of users are very different, and often contradictory. Those who really feel "offended" by a particular implementation are, IMHO, in the situation that I describe in what follows. When I was about 30 years old, and I was sitting in a crowded bus, I noticed a lady, in her late 50th, who was standing near me. Naturally, I stood up and offered her my place but, to my big surprise, she took an offended look and admonished me, by shouting that she is not so old to sit. This was my "reward" for trying to be useful... :-))) Well, I don't want to be stubborn either, and for this reason if several readers nevertheless let me know that they feel offended by the movement of this navbar too, then I will glue it with two hinges to the top of the scrolling pages (which, btw, is the easiest way). http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm Personnally I am still disturbed by the fact that, when one scroll the useful window, the navbar disappeares and comes back at each movement of the main window. Why not transforming the navbar into an upper window (height : one line) and render it never ever moving or disappearing or blinking or ... what else ??? :-) And having the main window below it and this one moving. May be this is technically too complicated ? I am not enough skilled to know this. If any others (Alyn did it already) were commenting also on the contents of the page, which I'm trying to improve, then I would be even more grateful. Many TIA. I will do this as well but a little bit later, Victor. And preferably on FRP as I will be able to express myself more easily (as it will be in French :-) Cheers, -- Bien amicalement, Pierre |
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Floating menu. Was: Evaluation of Philatelic Websites Revisited
"Pierre COURTIADE" wrote in message
... Victor Manta wrote : Hi Pierre and RCSD, The problem with Alyn's proposal is not that it takes too much space on the screen, today's screens being quite large. The problem is a rather ergonomic one, the movement of large blocks of text being per se somehow disturbing. The wishes of users are very different, and often contradictory. Those who really feel "offended" by a particular implementation are, IMHO, in the situation that I describe in what follows. When I was about 30 years old, and I was sitting in a crowded bus, I noticed a lady, in her late 50th, who was standing near me. Naturally, I stood up and offered her my place but, to my big surprise, she took an offended look and admonished me, by shouting that she is not so old to sit. This was my "reward" for trying to be useful... :-))) Well, I don't want to be stubborn either, and for this reason if several readers nevertheless let me know that they feel offended by the movement of this navbar too, then I will glue it with two hinges to the top of the scrolling pages (which, btw, is the easiest way). http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm Personnally I am still disturbed by the fact that, when one scroll the useful window, the navbar disappeares and comes back at each movement of the main window. Why not transforming the navbar into an upper window (height : one line) and render it never ever moving or disappearing or blinking or ... what else ??? :-) Here is what I have written when answering to Bill, in this thread: The "simple" idea is to create a fixed region, in my case on the top of all pages and to put the navbar there. But how to do it in a simple way? The simplest is to use frames but they have many, known disadvantages. Another solution is to use SSI, but one has to get access to them on the server which is another pain. I have tried something by using CSS but so far unsuccessfully, because I couldn't run the navbar's JS code in it. An easy solution is welcomed. If any others (Alyn did it already) were commenting also on the contents of the page, which I'm trying to improve, then I would be even more grateful. Many TIA. I will do this as well but a little bit later, Victor. And preferably on FRP as I will be able to express myself more easily (as it will be in French :-) Thanks in advance, Pierre. You know that I love French too. -- Victor Manta, PWO, AIJP ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philatelic Webmasters Organization: http://pwmo.org/ Art on Stamps: http://artonstamps.org/ Romania by Stamps: http://marci-postale.com/ Communism on Stamps: http://reds-on.postalstamps.biz/ Spanish North Africa: http://www.sna-on.postalstamps.biz/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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