Store pens horizontally or vertically?

... this [leaking due to heat transfer]
apparently happens a good bit with old
eyedroppers and pens with sacs. ...

Actually, pens with sacs are less susceptible to this than pens without
sacs (e.g., eye droppers, vacumatics, vac plunger fillers, piston
fillers) because the air between sac and barrel serves as insulation.

Old sac pens of various types (crescent fillers, coin fillers, hatchet
fillers, twist fillers, sleeve fillers, lever fillers, etc.) should not
leak. If you have one that does, there's something wrong with the pen.
Leaking is not something you should expect an old pen (especially one
with a sac) to do. -- Bernadette

"BL" wrote in message
...

... this [leaking due to heat transfer]
apparently happens a good bit with old
eyedroppers and pens with sacs. ...

Actually, pens with sacs are less susceptible to this than pens without
sacs (e.g., eye droppers, vacumatics, vac plunger fillers, piston
fillers) because the air between sac and barrel serves as insulation.

specifically I meant sacs that were too large. Some people put bigger sacs
in vintage pens than is proper, you get sac to barrel contact and end up
with the heat leak problem. At least so I've been told by the expert
restorers on this group and others. I've never actually experience it
myself and i use the pen sac sizes for restorations that have been
recommended by the more knowledgeable folks.

KCat wrote:

specifically I meant sacs that were too large.
Some people put bigger sacs in vintage pens than
is proper, you get sac to barrel contact and end
up with the heat leak problem....

Sac to barrel contact is the problem (i.e., no insulating air space
between barrel and ink chamber). Modern sac fillers can leak and blot
for the same reason. --- B

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:20:03 GMT, "Michael"
wrote:


"Earl Camembert" wrote in message
.. .
On 5 Nov 2004 15:43:47 -0800, (nick) wrote:

Should I store filled pens horizontally or vertically? How do you guys
store your fouuntain pens? I read somewhere that if a pen is laid down
horizontally it could leak. Is this a problem that anyone has noticed?
Also, what type of case do you guys keep your pens in?

Thanks.

I have had old Parker pens form the twenties leak from heat by being
kept in my pocket.

What were you doing to generate so much heat?


Just trying to keep alive. I have several Parker Duofolds some leak
more then others, the broad seem to leak more then the fine.

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:05:31 +0000, Ada Ma
wrote:

Earl Camembert wrote:

On 5 Nov 2004 15:43:47 -0800, (nick) wrote:


Should I store filled pens horizontally or vertically? How do you guys
store your fouuntain pens? I read somewhere that if a pen is laid down
horizontally it could leak. Is this a problem that anyone has noticed?
Also, what type of case do you guys keep your pens in?

Thanks.


I have had old Parker pens form the twenties leak from heat by being
kept in my pocket.

Is it an eyedropper? I have one waterman dripping all over the place while I
did nothing but held it in my hand and try to write something. I'd tried
putting in less ink, heated it up in my hand while point the nib upward before I
start writing, nothing helps.


No a Duofold big red.

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:15:27 GMT, "KCat" wrote:

"Ada Ma" wrote in message
...

Is it an eyedropper? I have one waterman dripping all over the place
while I
did nothing but held it in my hand and try to write something. I'd tried
putting in less ink, heated it up in my hand while point the nib upward
before I
start writing, nothing helps.

that's because your hand is heating the air inside - not the ink (at least
not significantly) as the warming air expands it pushes the ink out.

this apparently happens a good bit with old eyedroppers and pens with sacs.
Pens that do this I think typically have thinner barrel material. I've
heard that if the wrong size sac (too large) is used in some pens, heat
transfer from hand to air in the sac will be more readily facilitated and
cause this problem, too.

---

KCat

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I do put in the biggest sack, could be a mistake.

Earl Camembert wrote:

I have had old Parker pens form the twenties
leak from heat by being kept in my pocket.

Ada wrote:
Is it an eyedropper....

Earl wrote:
No a Duofold big red.

I have a ton of flat-top and streamline juniors from the 20s and early
30s. Not one of them leaks as you describe. There's something wrong with
yours... either the sacs are too big or the nibs/feeds aren't set
properly. -- B