French Question

Below is posted a scan of a cover mailed from
Hungary in 1919 to France.
http://cjoint.com/data/kvebaDyRpq.htm

The envelope and letter are written from a French
soldier in the 16th Infantry, 1st Battalion
Sector 516 at the occupation of Szeged, Hungary.
http://www.bibl.u-szeged.hu/szeged/szeged.html

It is postmarked "Tresor et Postes B" (in Paris).

It is addressed to Mauzé-sur-le-Mignon (Deux Sevres)
http://www.abritel.fr/imgmix/situati... &t=1129863719

and the reverse has a receiver cancel of Mauzé.

My question is this. Although the "Tresor et Postes"
cancellation is well known, has anyone else seen
this "Tresor et Postes B" cancel?

I am told that it is not recorded by (Bertrand?) Sinais.

Blair

Blair, you can always be relied upon to provide the little details that make
a posting interesting. I cannot answer your question, but I have two of
mine. What was the French army doing in Hungary in 1919? Were they there
to supervise a plebiscite? The third URL was unintelligible; it was all in
computer symbols.

Tony


"Blair (TC)" wrote in message
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Below is posted a scan of a cover mailed from
Hungary in 1919 to France.
http://cjoint.com/data/kvebaDyRpq.htm

The envelope and letter are written from a French
soldier in the 16th Infantry, 1st Battalion
Sector 516 at the occupation of Szeged, Hungary.
http://www.bibl.u-szeged.hu/szeged/szeged.html

It is postmarked "Tresor et Postes B" (in Paris).

It is addressed to Mauzé-sur-le-Mignon (Deux Sevres)
http://www.abritel.fr/imgmix/situati... &t=1129863719

and the reverse has a receiver cancel of Mauzé.

My question is this. Although the "Tresor et Postes"
cancellation is well known, has anyone else seen
this "Tresor et Postes B" cancel?

I am told that it is not recorded by (Bertrand?) Sinais.

Blair



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The third URL works. It is:
http://www.abritel.fr/imgmix/situati... &t=1129863719

It points to map coordinates for Mauzé-sur-le-Mignon.

Blair

Blair (TC) wrote:
The third URL works. It is:
http://www.abritel.fr/imgmix/situati... &t=1129863719

It points to map coordinates for Mauzé-sur-le-Mignon.

It works for me in Internet Explorer 6.0 - but I get only
characters in Netscape 7.2:

r:~5c4V{ÍKÛ«{]×6Sd�”’~m£“ýJÚ³¶‘Ç"¹º‡RGPi‰Km0,C•eÇ AG#ëRÄ÷é¦Åmö9ÍÂÄJdMŒ@Æây?†2j·4ŒSÔ·œ,�—;x=jÀ 1b¥

etc. etc.

Ryan

Tony:

Fighting in Hungary went beyond the German surrender in 1918.
The real end of the war for them was the Treaty of Trianon (June 1920).
Here are some Highlights of ten years of Hungarian history (1914-1924)
(any errors or typos are mine)

Blair

Hungary 1914-1924
28.07.1914 Declaration of War between Serbia and Austria-Hungary
05.08.1914 Declaration of War between Russia and Austria-Hungary
12.08.1914 Declaration of War between France / Great-Britain and
Austria-Hungary
23.05.1915 Declaration of War between Italy and Austria-Hungary
27.08.1916 Declaration of war between Rumania nd Austria-Hungary.
Rumania occupy South-East Transylvania
21.11.1916 The death of King Francis-Joseph I.
The new king is Charles IV. (Charles I. in Austria)
06.12.1916 Germany and Austria-Hungary occupy Bucharest (Romania)
06.04.1917 Declaration of War between the USA and Austria-Hungary.

09.02.1918 Peace-treaty between Ukraine and Austria-Hungary
03.03.1918 Peace-treaty between Soviet-Russia and Austria-Hungary
07.05.1918 Peace-treaty between Romania and Austria-Hungary.
Hungary annexed the borderlands (5-20 kms)
29.10.1918 Declaration of the independent Croatia
and the new union (Serb-Croatian-Slovenian state)
30.10.1918 Declaration of the Slovakian National Council about
the union of the Slovakian territories with Czechia

31.10.1918 Revolution in Budapest.
01.11.1918 - 16.11.1918
KINGDOM OF HUNGARY SEMI-INDEPENDENT STATE WITH NO
BORDERS, HEAD OF THE STATE - JÁNOS HOCK, THE
PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL COUNCIL

03.11.1918 Armistice between the Allies and Austria-Hungary

04.11.1918 Declaration of the city council about the union
between Fiume and Italy
05.11.1918 Undeclared war between Serbia and Hungary.
09.11.1918 Serbia occupy Újvidék (Novi Sad)
08.11.1918 Undeclared war between Czechoslovakia and Hungary
13.11.1918 Armistice between the Allies and Hungary.
The ceasefire line is the Marosvásárhely-Szeged-Baja-Pécs line.
(Note importance of Szeged)

16.11.1918. - 20.03.1919.
PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF HUNGARY, INDEPENDENT, THE HEAD OF
THE STATE, THE GOVERNMENT AND THE PRIME MINISTER MIHÁLY
KÁROLYI (16.11.1918 - 01.11.1919),
PRESIDENT MIHÁLY KÁROLYI (01.11.1919 - 20.03.1919)

25.11.1918 Declaration of the National Assembly of the Slavs in
Újvidék / Novi Sad about the secession of the southern counties.
01.12.1918.
Declaration of the National Assembly of Rumanians
in Gyulafehérvár / Alba Iulia about the union of
Transylvania and Rumania.
02.12.1918
The Rumanian Army occupies Marosvásárhely/Targu Mures
22.12.1918
Declaration of the National Assembly of the Hungarians of
Transylvania in Kolozsvár / Cluj about the belonging to Hungary
23.12.1918
New cease-fire line between Czechoslovakia and Hungary. The line is
the Danube River, Ipoly River and the Rimaszombat-Ungvár/Rim,
Sobota-Uzhgorod line

23.12.1918 10th Act about the AUTONOMOUS RUSKA-KRAJNA

24.12.1918 The Rumanian Army occupies Kolozsvár
beyond the case-fire line
25.12.1918
The Serbian Army occupies the Muraköz Region
beyond the case-fire line
The Czechoslovakian Army occupies Eperjes/Presov 26.12.1918),
Kassa / Kosice (29.12.1918) and Pozsony /Bratislava (01.01.1919)

30.12.1918 The French Army occupies Szeged === (Note French Army in
Szeged)

08.01.1919 Declaration of the Saxonian National Assembly in
Medgyes / Medias about the union of Transylvania and Romania

11.01.1919 The head of the state: President Mihály Károlyi
12.03.1919 19th Act about the autonomous SLOVENSKA KRAJNA
(de facto Czechoslovakia)
20.03.1919 The note of the Allies about the new Hungarian-Rumanian
cease-fire line: Szatmárnémeti / Satu Mare - Nagykároly / Carei
- Nagyszalonta / Salonta - Arad

21.03.1919 -01.08.1919
HUNGARIAN SOVIET REPUBLIC, COMMUNIST STATE , THE HEAD OF THE STATE:
THE REVOLUTIONARY GOVERNING SOVIET.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE SOVIET IS SÁNDOR GARBAI,
de facto dictator: Béla Kun

16.04.1919
The Rumanian Army starts an attack across the case-fire line
The Rumanian Army occupies Szatmárnémeti (19.04.1919),
Nagyvárad /Oradea, 20.04.1919), Debrecen (23.04.1919),
Nyíregyháza (27.04.1919)

27.04.1919 The Czechoslovakian Army starts an attack
30.04.1919 The Rumanian Army arrives to the Tisza River
02.05.1919 The Czechoslovakian Army occupies Miskolc
08.05.1919
The national councils of the Ruthenians join to Czechoslovakia

09.05.1919.
The beginning of the counter-attack of the Hungarian Red Army
The HRA reoccupies Miskolc (22.05.1919 ), Kassa (06.06.1919),
and Eperjes (09.06.1919)

13.06.1919
The indication of the new borders of Hungary
by the Peace Congress

16.06.1919
Proclamation of the SLOVAK SOVIET REPUBLIC in Eperjes /Presov

23.06.1919
Passing the Constitution of the
HUNGARIAN SOVIET SOCIALIST FEDERATIVE REPUBLIC

23.06.1919
Armistice between Czechoslovakia and Hungary
07.07.1919
The Czechoslovakian Army reoccupies Kassa /Kosice
20.07.1919
The Hungarian Red Army starts an attack at the Tisza River
=== Note Ticza River again ===
24.07.1919.
The beginning of the counter-attack of the Romanian Army
at the Tisza River
01.08.1919
Resignation of the Revolutionary Governing Soviet

02.08.1919 - 27.02.1920 PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF HUNGARY,
ANARCHY, OCCUPATION
04.08.1919
The Romanian Army occupies Budapest

07.08.1919 - 23.08.1919
the head of the state: József Habsburg regent

16.11.1919
Withdrawal of the Rumanian Army from Budapest and the Tiszántúl
(territory between the Danube and Tisza Rivers)

16.11.1919 The Hungarian "National Army" marches into Budapest

27.02.1920 - 01.02.1946
KINGDOM OF HUNGARY, INDEPENDENT STATE, THE HEAD OF THE STATE IS:
- REGENT MIKLÓS HORTHY (01.03.1920 - 16.10.1944),
- FERENC SZÁLASI, THE LEADER OF THE NATION (16.10.1944 - 29.03.1944),
- THE PRESIDIUM OF THE PROVISIONAL ASSEMBLY OF THE NATION
(21.12.1944 - 26.01.1945),
- THE NATIONAL SUPREME COUNCIL (26.01.1945 - 01.02.1946)

03.30.1920
Withdrawal of the Rumanian Army from the Tiszántúl Region
(territory between the new border and the Tisza River)

04.06.1920
The Treaty of Trianon between the Allies and Hungary.
Hungary loses more than 2/3 part of its territory
before the war. The North to Czechoslovakia, the East
to Rumania, the South to Serbia and the West to Austria

26.03.1921 - 05.04.1921
The first putsch of King Charles IV.
14.08.1921
Proclamation of the BARANYA-BAJA SERB-HUNGARIAN REPUBLIC
in the occupied territory of Baranya and Bacska.
The republic is part of Yugoslavia

21.08.1921 - 25.08.1921
Hungary reoccupies Baranya to the new borders.
03.10.1921
The beginning of the annexation of West-Hungary by Austria
04.10.1921
Proclamaton of the "LAJTA BÁNSÁG" in West-Hungary
20.10.1921 - 26.10.1921
The second putsch of King Charles IV.
15.11.1921 - 30.11.1921
Annexation of West-Hungary by Austria
except Sopron and environs
14.11.1921 - 16.11.1921
The Referendum in Sopron and envirouns.
Sopron returns to Hungary
1922 - 1924
Some villages return to Hungary
(2 from Czechoslovakia, others from Austria)

In article Ik76f.251357$1i.79696@pd7tw2no,
Ryan Davenport wrote:
Blair (TC) wrote:
The third URL works. It is:
http://www.abritel.fr/imgmix/situati... &t=1129863719

It points to map coordinates for Mauzé-sur-le-Mignon.

It works for me in Internet Explorer 6.0 - but I get only
characters in Netscape 7.2:

r:~5c4V{ÍKÛ«{]×6Sd�”’~m£“ýJÚ³¶‘Ç"¹º‡RGPi‰Km0,C•eÇ AG#ëRÄ÷é¦Åmö9ÍÂÄJdMŒ@Æây?†2j·4ŒSÔ·œ,�—;x=jÀ 1b¥

etc. etc.

Ryan

The web server is mis-configured -- it is sending a Content-Type
of "text/html" instead of the proper "image/jpeg". So Netscape
and many other browsers will try to display is as though it was
HTML. In many cases, such as this, IE looks at the contents of
the datafile being sent and overrides the specified Content-Type.

IE's doing this is generally considered to be wrong, even though
in *this* case it seems to be working getter. The correct way
of dealing with this is to fix the server.

--
= Eric Bustad, Norwegian bachelor programmer

Yes, Blair, it does work, but all I see are hundreds of lines if computer
gibberish, i.e. all the symbols, alphabets, etc. Is it my computer? What
can I do to change that to legible text?

Tony

"Blair (TC)" wrote in message
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The third URL works. It is:
http://www.abritel.fr/imgmix/situati... &t=1129863719

It points to map coordinates for Mauzé-sur-le-Mignon.

Blair



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Blair, the last line below is what I see. I get the newsgroups on Outlook
Express.

Tony

"Ryan Davenport" wrote in message
news:Ik76f.251357$1i.79696@pd7tw2no...
Blair (TC) wrote:
The third URL works. It is:
http://www.abritel.fr/imgmix/situati... &t=1129863719

It points to map coordinates for Mauzé-sur-le-Mignon.

It works for me in Internet Explorer 6.0 - but I get only characters
in Netscape 7.2:

r:~5c4V{ ÍKÛ«{]×6Sd�”’~m£“ýJÚ³¶‘Ç"¹º‡RGPi‰Km0,C•eÇ
AG#ëRÄ÷é¦Åmö9ÍÂÄJdMŒ@Æây?†2j·4ŒSÔ·œ ,�—;x=jÀ1b¥

etc. etc.

Ryan



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Thanks a lot, Blair. To make this email shorter, I have snipped all but the
subject of my current question. From where did the French come. I can
imagine it passed through Italy, but then through what to reach Szeged? Or
were they also in Rumania, and if so,why?

Tony

"Blair (TC)" wrote in message
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Tony:

S N I P

30.12.1918 The French Army occupies Szeged === (Note French Army in
Szeged)

S N I P



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Eric, I do not use Netscape, but I get the newsgroups in Outlook Express.
Could you be kind enough to send me the test in legible format?

Tony


"Eric Kenneth Bustad" wrote in message
...
In article Ik76f.251357$1i.79696@pd7tw2no,
Ryan Davenport wrote:
Blair (TC) wrote:
The third URL works. It is:
http://www.abritel.fr/imgmix/situati... &t=1129863719

It points to map coordinates for Mauzé-sur-le-Mignon.

It works for me in Internet Explorer 6.0 - but I get only
characters in Netscape 7.2:

r:~5c4V{ ÍKÛ«{]×6Sd�”’~m£“ýJÚ³¶‘Ç"¹º‡RGPi‰Km0,C•eÇ
AG#ëRÄ÷é¦Åmö9ÍÂÄJdMŒ@Æây?†2j·4ŒSÔ·œ ,�—;x=jÀ1b¥

etc. etc.

Ryan

The web server is mis-configured -- it is sending a Content-Type
of "text/html" instead of the proper "image/jpeg". So Netscape
and many other browsers will try to display is as though it was
HTML. In many cases, such as this, IE looks at the contents of
the datafile being sent and overrides the specified Content-Type.

IE's doing this is generally considered to be wrong, even though
in *this* case it seems to be working getter. The correct way
of dealing with this is to fix the server.

--
= Eric Bustad, Norwegian bachelor programmer



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