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Water Resistant Brown Ink
I currently write with Pelikan Brown. It has become my standard for taking
notes, and signing documents, checks contracts, etc. I recently spilled some water on notes that I was taking. I couldn't believe how badly the Pelikan brown washed out. I was writing on a yellow legal pad, and the print was pretty much unreadable where the water spilled. Is there another more durable brown ink that is close in color to Pelikan? I ordered some "Eternal Brown" which should arrive this week. But the samples I saw of the Eternal Brown seem sort of dull and less bold than the Pelikan. Anyone know of a closer match in a more durable ink? Thank you in advance for your comments. -- Cliff Reynolds __O _-\,_ (_)/ (_) |
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"Sonny" writes: I ordered some "Eternal Brown" which should arrive this week. But the samples I saw of the Eternal Brown seem sort of dull and less bold than the Pelikan. Anyone know of a closer match in a more durable ink? Noodler's Ink Walnut has so called "near-bullet-proof" status. If all you need is waterproofnes, maybe that's enough for you. But its colour is almost black. How about mixing it with that Eternal Brown? -- Juhapekka "naula" Tolvanen * http colon slash slash iki dot fi slash juhtolv "Du hast mich gefragt, und ich hab nichts gesagt. Willst du bis der Tod euch scheidet treu ihr sein für alle Tage? Nein. Nein. Willst du bis zum Tod der Scheide sie lieben auch in schlechten Tagen? Nein. Nein." Rammstein |
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You know... I never actually gave much thought to mixing my own colors. It
may come to that. I was hoping for an easy solution. If I can't find a good out-of-the-box alternative to Peilkan brown, I will certainly be willing to do a little experimentation. Thank you for the suggestion. Cliff "Juhapekka Tolvanen" wrote in message ... "Sonny" writes: I ordered some "Eternal Brown" which should arrive this week. But the samples I saw of the Eternal Brown seem sort of dull and less bold than the Pelikan. Anyone know of a closer match in a more durable ink? Noodler's Ink Walnut has so called "near-bullet-proof" status. If all you need is waterproofnes, maybe that's enough for you. But its colour is almost black. How about mixing it with that Eternal Brown? -- Juhapekka "naula" Tolvanen * http colon slash slash iki dot fi slash juhtolv "Du hast mich gefragt, und ich hab nichts gesagt. Willst du bis der Tod euch scheidet treu ihr sein für alle Tage? Nein. Nein. Willst du bis zum Tod der Scheide sie lieben auch in schlechten Tagen? Nein. Nein." Rammstein |
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Water Resistant Brown Ink
My Noodler's Eternal Brown arrived today. The ink looks to be the color of
mud in the bottle. I did a little test myself. I wrote on the paper that my business checks come on. The Pelikan faded a great deal, but did remain visible. The Noodler's Eternal Brown remained unchanged; amazing! For fun, I poured a weak bleach solution over the paper. The Pelikan Brown vanished completely. The Noodler's still remained unchanged. The down side is the appearance of the Noodler's. It is indeed brown. But is appears more dull, and seems to bleed into the paper somewhat. The Pelikan Brown is such a lively color. And the line remains thin without any detectable bleeding. For business checks, the decision is simple. Pelikan Brown can be completely removed, and I just can't have that. So I'll use the Noodler's for business, and the Pelikan for writing letters and writing in my journal. I will be on the look out for another solution though. Someone suggested mixing the inks. I do plan to try that. There may be a nice compromise with a mixture of the Pelikan and the Noodler's. I'll post the results when I get a chance to mix up a batch. I am also in the process of looking into the inks suggested in Greg Clark's torture test. Thank you for your comments! Sonny "j. fabian" wrote in message ... In article , "Sonny" wrote: I currently write with Pelikan Brown. It has become my standard for taking notes, and signing documents, checks contracts, etc. I recently spilled some water on notes that I was taking. I couldn't believe how badly the Pelikan brown washed out. Interesting to note that in Greg Clark's water "torture tests" Pelikan Brown rated only "Fair", the next to lowest rating. None of the brown inks rated the highest, "Excellent". The following rated "Very Good", the second highest rating: Aldine Amber; Colorado Sepia Scented; Omas Sepia; Penman Mocha; Rotring Sienna Brown; Visconti Sepia Brown. These are from the 1999 version of Greg's "Fountain Pen Inks: A Sampler". Here is his torture test: "Each sheet of inks being tested was completely submerged in water and agitated gently for five seconds. The pages were removed from the water and allowed to drain for about ten seconds and then re-submerged. The pages were submerged three or four times depending on how many dunkings were required to have the ink samples stop obviously bleeding down the paper." Copyright (c) 1997, Gregory E. Clark, D.C. Used in the spirit of Fair Use jf -- well, it looked good on paper |
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You could lighten the eternal brown with a bit of Noodler's Firefly. Might
be worth a shot... "Sonny" wrote in message ... My Noodler's Eternal Brown arrived today. The ink looks to be the color of mud in the bottle. I did a little test myself. I wrote on the paper that my business checks come on. The Pelikan faded a great deal, but did remain visible. The Noodler's Eternal Brown remained unchanged; amazing! For fun, I poured a weak bleach solution over the paper. The Pelikan Brown vanished completely. The Noodler's still remained unchanged. The down side is the appearance of the Noodler's. It is indeed brown. But is appears more dull, and seems to bleed into the paper somewhat. The Pelikan Brown is such a lively color. And the line remains thin without any detectable bleeding. For business checks, the decision is simple. Pelikan Brown can be completely removed, and I just can't have that. So I'll use the Noodler's for business, and the Pelikan for writing letters and writing in my journal. I will be on the look out for another solution though. Someone suggested mixing the inks. I do plan to try that. There may be a nice compromise with a mixture of the Pelikan and the Noodler's. I'll post the results when I get a chance to mix up a batch. I am also in the process of looking into the inks suggested in Greg Clark's torture test. Thank you for your comments! Sonny "j. fabian" wrote in message ... In article , "Sonny" wrote: I currently write with Pelikan Brown. It has become my standard for taking notes, and signing documents, checks contracts, etc. I recently spilled some water on notes that I was taking. I couldn't believe how badly the Pelikan brown washed out. Interesting to note that in Greg Clark's water "torture tests" Pelikan Brown rated only "Fair", the next to lowest rating. None of the brown inks rated the highest, "Excellent". The following rated "Very Good", the second highest rating: Aldine Amber; Colorado Sepia Scented; Omas Sepia; Penman Mocha; Rotring Sienna Brown; Visconti Sepia Brown. These are from the 1999 version of Greg's "Fountain Pen Inks: A Sampler". Here is his torture test: "Each sheet of inks being tested was completely submerged in water and agitated gently for five seconds. The pages were removed from the water and allowed to drain for about ten seconds and then re-submerged. The pages were submerged three or four times depending on how many dunkings were required to have the ink samples stop obviously bleeding down the paper." Copyright (c) 1997, Gregory E. Clark, D.C. Used in the spirit of Fair Use jf -- well, it looked good on paper |
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I just read my last post. I somehow made no mention that the first part of
my test was to pour water on the inks. Bleach was the second part of the test. I was in the Fountain Pen Shop in Monrovia, California this afternoon. Fred carries Noodler's, so wish I'd have thought of looking at Noodler's other colors. Somehow, I wound up leaving with a bottle of Waterman South Sea Blue. Maybe I'll take a look at the "Firefly" on my next trip down South. It's a 300 mile round trip for me. So the experiment will have to wait until I have more business down there. A bright red might be just the trick to brighten up the Noodler's Eternal Brown. Sonny "Robert Wiersema" wrote in message news:XXBKh.25197$DN.4547@pd7urf2no... You could lighten the eternal brown with a bit of Noodler's Firefly. Might be worth a shot... "Sonny" wrote in message ... My Noodler's Eternal Brown arrived today. The ink looks to be the color of mud in the bottle. I did a little test myself. I wrote on the paper that my business checks come on. The Pelikan faded a great deal, but did remain visible. The Noodler's Eternal Brown remained unchanged; amazing! For fun, I poured a weak bleach solution over the paper. The Pelikan Brown vanished completely. The Noodler's still remained unchanged. The down side is the appearance of the Noodler's. It is indeed brown. But is appears more dull, and seems to bleed into the paper somewhat. The Pelikan Brown is such a lively color. And the line remains thin without any detectable bleeding. For business checks, the decision is simple. Pelikan Brown can be completely removed, and I just can't have that. So I'll use the Noodler's for business, and the Pelikan for writing letters and writing in my journal. I will be on the look out for another solution though. Someone suggested mixing the inks. I do plan to try that. There may be a nice compromise with a mixture of the Pelikan and the Noodler's. I'll post the results when I get a chance to mix up a batch. I am also in the process of looking into the inks suggested in Greg Clark's torture test. Thank you for your comments! Sonny "j. fabian" wrote in message ... In article , "Sonny" wrote: I currently write with Pelikan Brown. It has become my standard for taking notes, and signing documents, checks contracts, etc. I recently spilled some water on notes that I was taking. I couldn't believe how badly the Pelikan brown washed out. Interesting to note that in Greg Clark's water "torture tests" Pelikan Brown rated only "Fair", the next to lowest rating. None of the brown inks rated the highest, "Excellent". The following rated "Very Good", the second highest rating: Aldine Amber; Colorado Sepia Scented; Omas Sepia; Penman Mocha; Rotring Sienna Brown; Visconti Sepia Brown. These are from the 1999 version of Greg's "Fountain Pen Inks: A Sampler". Here is his torture test: "Each sheet of inks being tested was completely submerged in water and agitated gently for five seconds. The pages were removed from the water and allowed to drain for about ten seconds and then re-submerged. The pages were submerged three or four times depending on how many dunkings were required to have the ink samples stop obviously bleeding down the paper." Copyright (c) 1997, Gregory E. Clark, D.C. Used in the spirit of Fair Use jf -- well, it looked good on paper |
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Water Resistant Brown Ink
"R. Paul Martin" wrote in message
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:01:22 -0700, "Sonny" wrote: I was in the Fountain Pen Shop in Monrovia, California this afternoon. Fred carries Noodler's, so wish I'd have thought of looking at Noodler's other colors. Somehow, I wound up leaving with a bottle of Waterman South Sea Blue... If you want to try mixing that South Seas Blue with the Eternal Brown you may want to mix very little of the two... Also, I once had a problem with Noodler's Gulf Stream Blue mixing with Waterman's Florida Blue. After a while they reacted and I ended up with a gel instead of a liquid. I think he was just saying that he bought Waterman instead of Noodler's, not that he wanted to mix them, but I'd agree that Noodler's shouldn't be mixed with other brands. It's odd stuff, and probably not really compatible with most other inks. Brian -- |
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Water Resistant Brown Ink
From your comments, I get the idea that it is probably safer to mix
Noodler's with Noodler's. At least I'll try that first. The South Sea Blue wasn't for mixing. I just like trying new colors, and the Waterman Blue seemed like a great change of pace. I take lots of notes during negotiating sessions. So I alternate colors from one session to the other. It helps identify one day from another at a glance. I think that I'll try a fairly bright red from Noodler's to give the Eternal Brown a little more punch. I'll let you know how that works out. Thank you for your suggestions Sonny "R. Paul Martin" wrote in message ... On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:01:22 -0700, "Sonny" wrote: I just read my last post. I somehow made no mention that the first part of my test was to pour water on the inks. Bleach was the second part of the test. I was in the Fountain Pen Shop in Monrovia, California this afternoon. Fred carries Noodler's, so wish I'd have thought of looking at Noodler's other colors. Somehow, I wound up leaving with a bottle of Waterman South Sea Blue. Maybe I'll take a look at the "Firefly" on my next trip down South. It's a 300 mile round trip for me. So the experiment will have to wait until I have more business down there. A bright red might be just the trick to brighten up the Noodler's Eternal Brown. Mixing is a good idea. I do that a lot. If you want to try mixing that South Seas Blue with the Eternal Brown you may want to mix very little of the two. In my experiments blues and browns produce rather boring grays. Also, I once had a problem with Noodler's Gulf Stream Blue mixing with Waterman's Florida Blue. After a while they reacted and I ended up with a gel instead of a liquid. Clogged the pen up completely. But I was able to wash it all out. It probably has something to do with the pH levels of the Waterman's inks. The Noodler's inks all have a neutral pH. For mixing with the Eternal Brown you might try Noodler's Standard Brown or some of the other Noodler's browns. They mix all right with each other since they're all neutral pH inks. You could also look at Swisher Pens Grizzly ink. It's an "eternal" brown ink made by Nathan Tardif, who makes all of the Noodler's inks. Maybe it'll give you a brown that you like better. Good luck and do let us know what you settle on for a mixture. |
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"Sonny" writes: Someone suggested mixing the inks. I do plan to try that. There may be a nice compromise with a mixture of the Pelikan and the Noodler's. I'll post the results when I get a chance to mix up a batch. If you mix some bullet-proof inks, then you can not be sure about bullet-proof properties, anymore. But at least they stay water-proof, if you mix two bullet-proof inks. If you mix bullet-proof ink with some normal ink, it behaves like this, when soaked with water: That normal ink goes away and bullet-proof ink stays. -- Juhapekka "naula" Tolvanen * http colon slash slash iki dot fi slash juhtolv "Du hast mich gefragt, und ich hab nichts gesagt. Willst du bis der Tod euch scheidet treu ihr sein für alle Tage? Nein. Nein. Willst du bis zum Tod der Scheide sie lieben auch in schlechten Tagen? Nein. Nein." Rammstein |
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"Sonny" writes: A bright red might be just the trick to brighten up the Noodler's Eternal Brown. I suggest you use Noodler's Ink Fox Red for that purpose, because it is bullet-proof, too. -- Juhapekka "naula" Tolvanen * http colon slash slash iki dot fi slash juhtolv "Du hast mich gefragt, und ich hab nichts gesagt. Willst du bis der Tod euch scheidet treu ihr sein für alle Tage? Nein. Nein. Willst du bis zum Tod der Scheide sie lieben auch in schlechten Tagen? Nein. Nein." Rammstein |
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