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Old January 6th 04, 02:53 AM
Pierre Courtiade
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A friend of me asks (in the French speaking philatelic news-group :
fr.rec.philatelie) the following question.

Is it allowed to use a cover, cancelled with a FDC type cancel, later
than the FDC date ?

He gives this example of such a bizarre usage :

url:http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QwDdArcUdMwFbUacy93eY*h26w!wiBOMBevYY9VPtNj7RvBkA j72Or4LIQfeEAzu9poc1at*Y6oOUU*HVIz8pK8mgm5vK38iuP9 JJbB1o!0/orchidees.jpg?dc=4675454169905458637

Up to now the answers on frp say this is not allowed as the stamp, once
cancelled, has no more franking value.

Nevertheless, Jean-Paul Droger - who writes here from time to time -
says he received such covers from Romania, Israel and more recently from
Switzerland (with no additional stamp paying the franking nor any
"postage due" (tax).

Do you think this is normal or is it an error from the postal clerk ?

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Old January 6th 04, 09:45 AM
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Pierre Courtiade wrote:

Is it allowed to use a cover, cancelled with a FDC type cancel, later
than the FDC date ?


At least, this has been the case sometimes, usually for the "grace
period" of the first day cancel.

The URL does not work properly, so I can't comment on this particular
case, but it has been allowed in several places. Which country is the
letter from?

Jan-Martin

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Old January 6th 04, 02:43 PM
Pierre Courtiade
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I wrote:

Is it allowed to use a cover, cancelled with a FDC type cancel, later
than the FDC date ?


wrote :
At least, this has been the case sometimes, usually for the "grace
period" of the first day cancel.

The URL does not work properly, so I can't comment on this particular
case, but it has been allowed in several places. Which country is the
letter from?



Sorry for that, Jan-Martin.
Here is a shorter link :

http://minilien.com/?1gfori0Nw6

The country is Central Africa.
The FDC date is 16 may 1966 on Scott # 72 ; a second cancellation was
made on 26 july 1966 at Bangui airport.

Thanks for your help !

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Old January 6th 04, 03:23 PM
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Pierre Courtiade wrote:

The country is Central Africa.
The FDC date is 16 may 1966 on Scott # 72 ; a second cancellation was
made on 26 july 1966 at Bangui airport.


That seems a bit long for a "grace period" (nowadays usually 1 to
8 weeks depending on the country, at least for pictorial cancellations).
Maybe this is why the second cancellation has been applied.

Jan-Martin

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Old January 6th 04, 11:31 PM
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 02:53:24 +0100, "Pierre Courtiade"
wrote:

A friend of me asks (in the French speaking philatelic news-group :
fr.rec.philatelie) the following question.

Is it allowed to use a cover, cancelled with a FDC type cancel, later
than the FDC date ?

He gives this example of such a bizarre usage :

url:http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QwDdArcUdMwFbUacy93eY*h26w!wiBOMBevYY9VPtNj7RvBkA j72Or4LIQfeEAzu9poc1at*Y6oOUU*HVIz8pK8mgm5vK38iuP9 JJbB1o!0/orchidees.jpg?dc=4675454169905458637

Up to now the answers on frp say this is not allowed as the stamp, once
cancelled, has no more franking value.

Nevertheless, Jean-Paul Droger - who writes here from time to time -
says he received such covers from Romania, Israel and more recently from
Switzerland (with no additional stamp paying the franking nor any
"postage due" (tax).

Do you think this is normal or is it an error from the postal clerk ?


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Technically it should NOT be accepted. I have seen them
with addional (new) stamps added later to pay the postage.
(although technically this is not acceptable either)

I suspect this cover was bought unaddressed as a souvenir
and since it was never previously used for postal service,
was addressed by the sender and accepted (by favour)
by the postal clerk.

Blair



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Old January 7th 04, 12:44 AM
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In Bhutan stamps are valid until used in the mail. One can buy an FDC
envelope with stamps affixed and FD cancelled at a post office or the
philatelic counter, put something in the envelope, address it and mail
it. I have many examples of Bhutan FDCs used in the mail (even to me
in the USA) years after the FD date on the envelope. The post office
clerks just cancel the stamps again on the real mailing date.

No big deal! FDCs that sit in a PO and never went anywhere are
"unused" - just because they are "cancelled" or "postmarked" with a
fancy imprint doesn't mean the post office has yet necessarily
delivered the service they prepay.

Consider "precancels" - French collectors who started this thread can
relate to those French "preobliteration" stamps - they're "cancelled",
too when they are sold by the post office, but are still affixed later
to mail and sent on their ways.

Len Nadybal



On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:43:03 +0100, "Pierre Courtiade"
wrote:


I wrote:

Is it allowed to use a cover, cancelled with a FDC type cancel, later
than the FDC date ?


wrote :
At least, this has been the case sometimes, usually for the "grace
period" of the first day cancel.

The URL does not work properly, so I can't comment on this particular
case, but it has been allowed in several places. Which country is the
letter from?



Sorry for that, Jan-Martin.
Here is a shorter link :

http://minilien.com/?1gfori0Nw6

The country is Central Africa.
The FDC date is 16 may 1966 on Scott # 72 ; a second cancellation was
made on 26 july 1966 at Bangui airport.

Thanks for your help !

--
All the best,
Pierre Courtiade
(anti-spam address)
to answer me, please replace my 1st name by my last one



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Old January 7th 04, 10:15 AM
Victor Manta
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"Pierre Courtiade" wrote in message
...
A friend of me asks (in the French speaking philatelic news-group :
fr.rec.philatelie) the following question.

Is it allowed to use a cover, cancelled with a FDC type cancel, later
than the FDC date ?

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All the best,
Pierre Courtiade


Bonjour Pierre,

I know for sure that I could send FDC's from Romania by mail, and this was
true for FDC's having valid postal stamps on them. The Romanian PO's have
put a supplementary cancel on the cover, but haven't cancelled the stamps
again.

The separate stamps taken from the FDC's weren't valid for postage.

I find this a reasonable practice, because obviously the stamps on FDC's
haven't served for what they were mainly printed, i.e. for paying the postal
transportation and delivery fees.

A+

Victor Manta

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