dip pens

On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:59:01 +0000, MatthewK
wrote:

On 2008-06-07, The Drunken Lord wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:32:00 +0000, MatthewK
wrote:

Why don't you like the glass pens?

I don't like rounded points--I kind of have to have stubs or italic
points. My handwriting is out of control even with stubs and italics,
but it helps keep my hand more steady. I don't have any muscle
disease or anything like that--I just write too fast.


Thanks for sharing that. I may purchase one on my next order to
pendemonium.

As far as stub italic pens go I really like the pilot 78g. Have
you tried it? Hisnibs has them for under $30 dollars I think.
It seems to do best with less saturated inks.

Thanks. I will check it out for sure.

On Jun 8, 11:28 am, The Drunken Lord wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:59:01 +0000, MatthewK







wrote:
On 2008-06-07, The Drunken Lord wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:32:00 +0000, MatthewK
wrote:

Why don't you like the glass pens?

I don't like rounded points--I kind of have to have stubs or italic
points. My handwriting is out of control even with stubs and italics,
but it helps keep my hand more steady. I don't have any muscle
disease or anything like that--I just write too fast.

Thanks for sharing that. I may purchase one on my next order to
pendemonium.

As far as stub italic pens go I really like the pilot 78g. Have
you tried it? Hisnibs has them for under $30 dollars I think.
It seems to do best with less saturated inks.

Thanks. I will check it out for sure.


I don't know why glass dip pens have been almost universally bashed on
the boards. True, they are not italic, do no have tines that splay or
bend for different lines on the up and down strokes. But for
dipping, using and mixing inks that you don't wan to clean and
dedicate a separate pen to ... they can't be beat. And they clean up
with a simple wipe of a tissue.

And they look cool, as artwork, especially in a tray or special glass
pen stand.

On 2008-06-08, The Drunken Lord wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:57:04 +0000, MatthewK
wrote:


Thank you, I knew about the FP's but didn't realize the
esterbrook pre-dated them. I wish I got into FP's ten years
ago and could afford the popular nibs.

Esterbrook pens are not all that expensive on ebay--or they used to
not be so expensive.


I just took a look and there are some old beat-up ones that
would make a decent pen. They seem to be going for around $10.

matthew

On 2008-06-08, JimL wrote:
On Jun 8, 11:28 am, The Drunken Lord wrote:

I don't know why glass dip pens have been almost universally bashed on
the boards. True, they are not italic, do no have tines that splay or
bend for different lines on the up and down strokes. But for
dipping, using and mixing inks that you don't wan to clean and
dedicate a separate pen to ... they can't be beat. And they clean up
with a simple wipe of a tissue.


My only concern, without having tried one, is that they are
not fine enough for my tastes. Since I've played with dip pens
lately I've found that I enjoy thicker nibs a little more; so
maybe it will be a good match for me.

matthew

On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:07:23 +0000, MatthewK
wrote:

On 2008-06-08, The Drunken Lord wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:57:04 +0000, MatthewK
wrote:


Thank you, I knew about the FP's but didn't realize the
esterbrook pre-dated them. I wish I got into FP's ten years
ago and could afford the popular nibs.

Esterbrook pens are not all that expensive on ebay--or they used to
not be so expensive.


I just took a look and there are some old beat-up ones that
would make a decent pen. They seem to be going for around $10.

Yeah, and once you got Frank's book and some tools--if you're married,
you could get a few Esterbrooks a month without worrying about your
wife raising hell about you spending more on pens each month than the
house payments.

Check out the Sheaffers too. Sheaffers, apparently, are not regarded
as fine jewelry items by FPN'ers, so they're a lot cheaper.

On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:10:39 +0000, MatthewK
wrote:

On 2008-06-08, JimL wrote:
On Jun 8, 11:28 am, The Drunken Lord wrote:

I don't know why glass dip pens have been almost universally bashed on
the boards. True, they are not italic, do no have tines that splay or
bend for different lines on the up and down strokes. But for
dipping, using and mixing inks that you don't wan to clean and
dedicate a separate pen to ... they can't be beat. And they clean up
with a simple wipe of a tissue.


My only concern, without having tried one, is that they are
not fine enough for my tastes. Since I've played with dip pens
lately I've found that I enjoy thicker nibs a little more; so
maybe it will be a good match for me.

As cheap as they are, everybody should have one. They aren't any
easier to go from ink to ink than a regular dip pen though, and maybe
a little harder than ones without feeds.

"MatthewK" wrote in message
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On 2008-06-08, Bluesea wrote:

"MatthewK" wrote in message

I'm out of my league when you guys start talking about
esterbrooks and vintage pens but this may be interesting if you
didn't know such a thing existed.

http://www.ackermanpens.com/

Well, that looks interesting.

These statements sound contradictory to me, though, because it wouldn't
plug
up if it can be cleaned:

- Replace the brush when it wears down or plugs up.

- Easy to clean - just hold it under running water.

It seems that it is a love or hate thing with most people. I
guess artist can't be trusted to clean a pen after use lol. On
the website he prides himself on how tought the pens are...if
you get a plug of india ink stuck in there that poke it out
with a paper clip.

Yes, that's handy - can't do that with any of my fps!

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"JimL" wrote in message
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I don't know why glass dip pens have been almost universally bashed on
the boards. True, they are not italic, do no have tines that splay or
bend for different lines on the up and down strokes. But for
dipping, using and mixing inks that you don't wan to clean and
dedicate a separate pen to ... they can't be beat. And they clean up
with a simple wipe of a tissue.

And they look cool, as artwork, especially in a tray or special glass
pen stand.

Yes, that's why I lusted after one for years until I finally got mine. I was
able to put my metal nibbed dip pen out of sight and out of mind, but the
glass pen is too attractive to receive the same fate. I've been keeping it
in the box it came in that has a clear top until I figure out how I want to
display it.

I've been using it to check the color of the new inks I've bought, too. It's
like you said, no regular pen is needed and the glass pen is super-easy to
clean. I'm glad I have mine.

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"MatthewK" wrote in message
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My only concern, without having tried one, is that they are
not fine enough for my tastes. Since I've played with dip pens
lately I've found that I enjoy thicker nibs a little more; so
maybe it will be a good match for me.

Since they're hand-made, you could ask in the Note section of the order form
for them to send you the finest that they have. Although it wouldn't compare
to a Japanese fine, I think mine could pass as a European fine or a
fine-medium (or broader) depending on how much ink I have loaded onto it.

Also, you might be able to sand down the point to satisfy you. My glass pen
is by J. Herbin and the side of the box says, "When the nib is slightly
blunt do not hesitate to use fine sand paper (grade 400). Rub gently the nib
on the paper and the pleasure of writing will be renewed."

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On 2008-06-08, The Drunken Lord wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:07:23 +0000, MatthewK
wrote:

On 2008-06-08, The Drunken Lord wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:57:04 +0000, MatthewK
wrote:


I just took a look and there are some old beat-up ones that
would make a decent pen. They seem to be going for around $10.

Yeah, and once you got Frank's book and some tools--if you're married,
you could get a few Esterbrooks a month without worrying about your
wife raising hell about you spending more on pens each month than the
house payments.

Check out the Sheaffers too. Sheaffers, apparently, are not regarded
as fine jewelry items by FPN'ers, so they're a lot cheaper.


I picked up a esterbrook and a old snorkel for cheap. Thanks
for getting me to look on ebay.

matthew