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Questions about a John Wayne autograph
I'm sorting out the affairs of my late parents, and I've come across a
John Wayne autograph on a slightly dog-eared around the edges (but otherwise blank and good condition) envelope. I recall my father saying that he was in the same airplane flight waiting lounge as John Wayne, and the only piece of paper he had to hand to get his signature on was an envelope. It has since been lying in a drawer with lots of other old papers, bills, receipts, etc. My father stopped work in about 1976, and although he travelled a lot for work around Europe and Canada, this was mainly in about the last 10 years before he retired. So my guess is that the signature dates from somewhere between about 1966 and 1973 (my father was not well in the last few years before he retired and I don't think he did much/any traveling over that period). So to my questions: 1) I've seen lots of "for sale" figures quoted for John Wayne autographs, ranging from a few 10's to a few 1000's of UKP. So what sort of ball-park figure could I expect to raise by selling the autograph? 2) I've seen lots of "authenticated" autographs for sale, so is there any way of "authenticating" what I have? 3) I'm executor for my mother's estate (my father died in 1989), and I'm obliged (in the interests of the beneficiaries of the estate, and the Inland Revenue!!!) to get a "good" price for the sale of the autograph. So what is the best way to try and sell the autograph (for someone living in the UK)? Many thanks in anticipation of some helpful replies. Best wishes Les Hazlewood email : |
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Questions about a John Wayne autograph
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:55:52 +0100, Les Hazlewood
wrote: I'm sorting out the affairs of my late parents, and I've come across a John Wayne autograph on a slightly dog-eared around the edges (but otherwise blank and good condition) envelope. I recall my father saying that he was in the same airplane flight waiting lounge as John Wayne, and the only piece of paper he had to hand to get his signature on was an envelope. It has since been lying in a drawer with lots of other old papers, bills, receipts, etc. My father stopped work in about 1976, and although he travelled a lot for work around Europe and Canada, this was mainly in about the last 10 years before he retired. So my guess is that the signature dates from somewhere between about 1966 and 1973 (my father was not well in the last few years before he retired and I don't think he did much/any traveling over that period). So to my questions: 1) I've seen lots of "for sale" figures quoted for John Wayne autographs, ranging from a few 10's to a few 1000's of UKP. So what sort of ball-park figure could I expect to raise by selling the autograph? He fetches better than a lot of celebs but it's on an envelope which is not really desirable and the condition is also less than desirable. You probably won't be able to get more than a couple hundred, provided that you have something else as proof.... and a story isn't really good enough. If you'd ebay it now, I would bet you'd not get more than 50 bucks max. Don't Ebay it whatever you do, there's not much value there. try other places first. Of course, you never know though. Sometimes, on the right day, the right person comes along... it's a game of chance though. But times are tough and the market has declined. 2) I've seen lots of "authenticated" autographs for sale, so is there any way of "authenticating" what I have? There are places that authenticate for money but I personally would advise against that for two reasons. 1) they're not necessarily better than any of us at authenticating (and you can teach yourself to do it) and 2) they charge a lot, make errors and it's not worth it. to authenticate, first, search Google for someone who's a die hard fan of his and see if they have anything you can compare to. Find in persons online not just anywhere, but UACC certified that might have something, or someone who has documentation or other support showing they got theirs in person and where you can compare sigs too. You can look for studio preprints as well. If anyone has published those, those are a good way to compare. Remember though sigs change through the years, so a 1950's signature won't necessarily be close to a 1970 signature. Check sites like mine for signatures which you might be able to compare to: here's the link and I think John Wayne I have an official example of (licensed) www.starwarsautographcollecting.com click on the signature database link on the home page and then actors. Then click John Wayne... 3) I'm executor for my mother's estate (my father died in 1989), and I'm obliged (in the interests of the beneficiaries of the estate, and the Inland Revenue!!!) to get a "good" price for the sale of the autograph. So what is the best way to try and sell the autograph (for someone living in the UK)? If you are in the UK and want to submit to some online sites they may take consignments. Go to my site (above) and in the left column click the "resources" link. You'll see there a few names in the middle column (you'll have to scroll down) some very reputable places like Signature House which may accept a consignment provided they feel it's authentic. You might try local auction houses and ask if they do emphera auctions. Sometimes, specific auctions happen for that. RR auction takes some consignments. But an envelope I don't know. People want scripts, posters, photos and relevant documents more so than envelopes and album pages and such. However, some will clip the signatures and matte them with a photo for display. So depending on how clear the sig is and how clean, you might be able to sell it ok. Many thanks in anticipation of some helpful replies. Here's a word of advice to all collectors or people who come across autographs and think they'll be rich; don't get your hopes up. It's rare to get more than a couple hundred for any "popular" celebrity signatures these days. Unless super stardom or historically significant or very freshly at the height of popularity (fad sold on the right day) you probably won't get thousands for anything. It has to be pretty special or very rare or very desirable. You're on the edge with this one; an Alist celeb but he's gone and this generation isn't as appreciative as the last was so I'd bet it's on a slight decline. You got a good sig but it's my personal opinion you will not get thousands for it. Good luck and let us know what happens. Hope this helped a little. Best wishes Les Hazlewood email : |
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Questions about a John Wayne autograph
Sue,
Many thanks for the prompt response. Before I found this envelope I knew nothing about autographs - I'm now starting to learn a bit more. A couple of emails and posts from people who know the area can save many hours of research, and provide some clarity through the mire of Web hype!!! Once again, many thanks for taking the trouble to provide such a comprehensive reply. Best wishes Les Hazlewood In article , Sue H wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:55:52 +0100, Les Hazlewood wrote: I'm sorting out the affairs of my late parents, and I've come across a John Wayne autograph on a slightly dog-eared around the edges (but otherwise blank and good condition) envelope. I recall my father saying that he was in the same airplane flight waiting lounge as John Wayne, and the only piece of paper he had to hand to get his signature on was an envelope. It has since been lying in a drawer with lots of other old papers, bills, receipts, etc. My father stopped work in about 1976, and although he travelled a lot for work around Europe and Canada, this was mainly in about the last 10 years before he retired. So my guess is that the signature dates from somewhere between about 1966 and 1973 (my father was not well in the last few years before he retired and I don't think he did much/any traveling over that period). So to my questions: 1) I've seen lots of "for sale" figures quoted for John Wayne autographs, ranging from a few 10's to a few 1000's of UKP. So what sort of ball-park figure could I expect to raise by selling the autograph? He fetches better than a lot of celebs but it's on an envelope which is not really desirable and the condition is also less than desirable. You probably won't be able to get more than a couple hundred, provided that you have something else as proof.... and a story isn't really good enough. If you'd ebay it now, I would bet you'd not get more than 50 bucks max. Don't Ebay it whatever you do, there's not much value there. try other places first. Of course, you never know though. Sometimes, on the right day, the right person comes along... it's a game of chance though. But times are tough and the market has declined. 2) I've seen lots of "authenticated" autographs for sale, so is there any way of "authenticating" what I have? There are places that authenticate for money but I personally would advise against that for two reasons. 1) they're not necessarily better than any of us at authenticating (and you can teach yourself to do it) and 2) they charge a lot, make errors and it's not worth it. to authenticate, first, search Google for someone who's a die hard fan of his and see if they have anything you can compare to. Find in persons online not just anywhere, but UACC certified that might have something, or someone who has documentation or other support showing they got theirs in person and where you can compare sigs too. You can look for studio preprints as well. If anyone has published those, those are a good way to compare. Remember though sigs change through the years, so a 1950's signature won't necessarily be close to a 1970 signature. Check sites like mine for signatures which you might be able to compare to: here's the link and I think John Wayne I have an official example of (licensed) www.starwarsautographcollecting.com click on the signature database link on the home page and then actors. Then click John Wayne... 3) I'm executor for my mother's estate (my father died in 1989), and I'm obliged (in the interests of the beneficiaries of the estate, and the Inland Revenue!!!) to get a "good" price for the sale of the autograph. So what is the best way to try and sell the autograph (for someone living in the UK)? If you are in the UK and want to submit to some online sites they may take consignments. Go to my site (above) and in the left column click the "resources" link. You'll see there a few names in the middle column (you'll have to scroll down) some very reputable places like Signature House which may accept a consignment provided they feel it's authentic. You might try local auction houses and ask if they do emphera auctions. Sometimes, specific auctions happen for that. RR auction takes some consignments. But an envelope I don't know. People want scripts, posters, photos and relevant documents more so than envelopes and album pages and such. However, some will clip the signatures and matte them with a photo for display. So depending on how clear the sig is and how clean, you might be able to sell it ok. Many thanks in anticipation of some helpful replies. Here's a word of advice to all collectors or people who come across autographs and think they'll be rich; don't get your hopes up. It's rare to get more than a couple hundred for any "popular" celebrity signatures these days. Unless super stardom or historically significant or very freshly at the height of popularity (fad sold on the right day) you probably won't get thousands for anything. It has to be pretty special or very rare or very desirable. You're on the edge with this one; an Alist celeb but he's gone and this generation isn't as appreciative as the last was so I'd bet it's on a slight decline. You got a good sig but it's my personal opinion you will not get thousands for it. Good luck and let us know what happens. Hope this helped a little. Best wishes Les Hazlewood email : |
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Questions about a John Wayne autograph
Happy to help; I've collected many years... Not John Wayne, but I have
a good general knowledge of all things relating to autographs/valuations etc. On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:11:53 +0100, Les Hazlewood wrote: Sue, Many thanks for the prompt response. Before I found this envelope I knew nothing about autographs - I'm now starting to learn a bit more. A couple of emails and posts from people who know the area can save many hours of research, and provide some clarity through the mire of Web hype!!! Once again, many thanks for taking the trouble to provide such a comprehensive reply. Best wishes Les Hazlewood In article , Sue H wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:55:52 +0100, Les Hazlewood wrote: I'm sorting out the affairs of my late parents, and I've come across a John Wayne autograph on a slightly dog-eared around the edges (but otherwise blank and good condition) envelope. I recall my father saying that he was in the same airplane flight waiting lounge as John Wayne, and the only piece of paper he had to hand to get his signature on was an envelope. It has since been lying in a drawer with lots of other old papers, bills, receipts, etc. My father stopped work in about 1976, and although he travelled a lot for work around Europe and Canada, this was mainly in about the last 10 years before he retired. So my guess is that the signature dates from somewhere between about 1966 and 1973 (my father was not well in the last few years before he retired and I don't think he did much/any traveling over that period). So to my questions: 1) I've seen lots of "for sale" figures quoted for John Wayne autographs, ranging from a few 10's to a few 1000's of UKP. So what sort of ball-park figure could I expect to raise by selling the autograph? He fetches better than a lot of celebs but it's on an envelope which is not really desirable and the condition is also less than desirable. You probably won't be able to get more than a couple hundred, provided that you have something else as proof.... and a story isn't really good enough. If you'd ebay it now, I would bet you'd not get more than 50 bucks max. Don't Ebay it whatever you do, there's not much value there. try other places first. Of course, you never know though. Sometimes, on the right day, the right person comes along... it's a game of chance though. But times are tough and the market has declined. 2) I've seen lots of "authenticated" autographs for sale, so is there any way of "authenticating" what I have? There are places that authenticate for money but I personally would advise against that for two reasons. 1) they're not necessarily better than any of us at authenticating (and you can teach yourself to do it) and 2) they charge a lot, make errors and it's not worth it. to authenticate, first, search Google for someone who's a die hard fan of his and see if they have anything you can compare to. Find in persons online not just anywhere, but UACC certified that might have something, or someone who has documentation or other support showing they got theirs in person and where you can compare sigs too. You can look for studio preprints as well. If anyone has published those, those are a good way to compare. Remember though sigs change through the years, so a 1950's signature won't necessarily be close to a 1970 signature. Check sites like mine for signatures which you might be able to compare to: here's the link and I think John Wayne I have an official example of (licensed) www.starwarsautographcollecting.com click on the signature database link on the home page and then actors. Then click John Wayne... 3) I'm executor for my mother's estate (my father died in 1989), and I'm obliged (in the interests of the beneficiaries of the estate, and the Inland Revenue!!!) to get a "good" price for the sale of the autograph. So what is the best way to try and sell the autograph (for someone living in the UK)? If you are in the UK and want to submit to some online sites they may take consignments. Go to my site (above) and in the left column click the "resources" link. You'll see there a few names in the middle column (you'll have to scroll down) some very reputable places like Signature House which may accept a consignment provided they feel it's authentic. You might try local auction houses and ask if they do emphera auctions. Sometimes, specific auctions happen for that. RR auction takes some consignments. But an envelope I don't know. People want scripts, posters, photos and relevant documents more so than envelopes and album pages and such. However, some will clip the signatures and matte them with a photo for display. So depending on how clear the sig is and how clean, you might be able to sell it ok. Many thanks in anticipation of some helpful replies. Here's a word of advice to all collectors or people who come across autographs and think they'll be rich; don't get your hopes up. It's rare to get more than a couple hundred for any "popular" celebrity signatures these days. Unless super stardom or historically significant or very freshly at the height of popularity (fad sold on the right day) you probably won't get thousands for anything. It has to be pretty special or very rare or very desirable. You're on the edge with this one; an Alist celeb but he's gone and this generation isn't as appreciative as the last was so I'd bet it's on a slight decline. You got a good sig but it's my personal opinion you will not get thousands for it. Good luck and let us know what happens. Hope this helped a little. Best wishes Les Hazlewood email : |
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Questions about a John Wayne autograph
"Sue H" wrote in message ... Happy to help; I've collected many years... Not John Wayne, but I have a good general knowledge of all things relating to autographs/valuations etc. On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:11:53 +0100, Les Hazlewood wrote: How much for the late great Slim Whitman ? He sold more records than the Beatles in Haiti |
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