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On Thu, 06 May 2004 22:17:06 GMT, "KCat" wrote:
I wonder though if your handwriting actually has deteriorated and you don't notice it (because, hey, it's your handwriting) or if people who are aware of the pens you use now are just more prone to complaining because *they* believe that the FP is the problem. But I find that anything but a fine point does make my handwriting less legible than a ballpoint, at least in most cases. It will close some letters a bit more as the main fault. I do disagree about using a calligraphy pen, unless the purppose is to use a calligraphy pen at all times. Seems to me like practicing Chinese grass writing with a brush to learn how to write simplified characters with a ballpoint pen. Just my opinion, but I would practice with what I'm going to write with later. Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... |
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"KCat" wrote in message m... "Bluesea" wrote As to the angle, you said that you use a different angle when using a fp than when you use a bp. The angle at which I hold a writing instrument doesn't change depending on the instrument whether it be a fp, bp, or pencil. Being nearly vertical, an angle of 85 degrees seems rather extreme anyway. I think it was intended to sound extreme. my angle of attack is definitely different with FPs than with pencils or bps. I think, in my case, I feel that at a higher angle, the pressure to apply pencil/bp to paper is easier accomplished without straining the hand too much. And with a pencil especially - a lower angle such as that used by most of the FP users I've seen would be awkward. I define "most" as the angle on Richard Binder's forms for customizing pens. You may be correct about his intention, but then I wouldn't know what his point might have been. By now, I don't really care. No one complains about my handwriting so I was merely questioning a difference that he brought up because I thought it must have been a significant factor or there wouldn't have been a reason for him to mention it. Also, he stated, "...every fp user writes with a similar angle than the one I use...." If that was accurate, Richard's questionnaire wouldn't provide three angle options (item #2) as does the Nakaya site: http://www.nakaya.org/ekarte.html. My angle is slightly higher than normal, about 63 degrees instead of 60, which may or may not account for my not having to change according to my writing instrument shrug. All the best. -- ~~Bluesea~~ Spam is great in musubi but not in email. Please take out the trash before sending a direct reply. |
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Allow me to add a suggestion here... if you are anywhere near a pen
show - GO! Usually there are several vendors (be they collectors like you and me, or someone in the pen business in some fashion) who will allow you to try out their pens. Someone like a Susan Wirth will be able to show you how to properly use the instrument and help you find the correct instrument and nib for your style of writing. Well worth the visit. Susan keeps a pen show calendar on her web site: http://pw1.netcom.com/%7Eswirth/2000.htm Enjoy! John JohnR Knoxville, TN johnrich21 @ comcast dot net |
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Bluesea wrote:
"Juan" wrote in message om... The problem seems to be that many people is not familiar with fp handwriting; at least that's my impression. As a reference, the handwriting here http://www.marcuslink.com/pens/ink-02.htm#blue resembles mine, although my letters are broader. Any opinions? Juan Hopefully, the writing on that site looks better in RL than it does on a computer monitor because, IMO, it's bad enough that I'd refuse to read anything by anyone who wrote that way. Since your writing is broader, I might not have such a negative reaction - it's hard to tell w/o actually seeing it. I'll side with Juan on this one. OK, the handwriting on the referenced web page may not go into an exemplar. But heck, in the days before computers printed everything, that would have been considered highly legible handwriting. (Unlike mine in those days!) Perhaps we've raised a generation that can't write longhand, and as a result can't read longhand. Pat -- Apologies to those easily confused. Address is spam-resistant. Correct email address like pdlamb 'round-about comcast point net. |
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I see that the handwriting on the website has some of the same
problems that I have been struggling with. The "M", "N" and "U" are not fully rounded. Notice how the word "Aurora" looks like "Anonia" or "Airona". The problem is the "n," "m" and "U" are made of angles and straight lines rather than arches. I recently solved this problem by slowing down, just for these letters. I practiced making arches rather than mountains (/\/\/\/\/\) for these letters, a couple hundred times each. This does not take long. Make no more than 3 or 4 practice arches at a time. Practice arches for "n" and "m" and reverse arches for "u." Now I make a conscious effort to slow down on these letters because I have not yet overcome the bad habits I have developed over the years. The difference in legibility is remarkable. I am not an expert but I have studied the work of many experts, and I really beleive that practicing these shapes will make a big difference for you - or for the guy on the website. JDW |
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KCat wrote:
Rant was well-founded. My daughter probably would be left-handed or at the least, ambidextrous. She naturally picked up writing instruments in her left hand and even in 1990 teachers were still grabbing crayons out of left hands and shoving them into right hands. grrrr... as a result, my daughter writes with her right hand but turns the paper "parallel" to the plane of her body and curls her right hand around in what would appear to be an excruciating position. But her handwriting is much neater than mine will ever be. :P This is just what happened to my father in I guess about 1914, and he wrote with his right hand in about the way you describe. His handwriting was a very much neater than mine is when I make it slope to the right and even somewhat neater than when I make it slope to the left. By the way, I'd still like to know the answer to the question I asked morten. I'd like to know more about the new method of teaching left-handed people to write that he mentioned. -- David W. Drake |
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 20:28:42 -0400, JohnR
wrote: Allow me to add a suggestion here... if you are anywhere near a pen show - GO! Usually there are several vendors (be they collectors like you and me, or someone in the pen business in some fashion) who will allow you to try out their pens. Someone like a Susan Wirth will be able to show you how to properly use the instrument and help you find the correct instrument and nib for your style of writing. Well worth the visit. Susan keeps a pen show calendar on her web site: http://pw1.netcom.com/%7Eswirth/2000.htm I will definitely go when something pops up nearby. As for finding the correct instrument, I hope I can change my style of writing before I pick a tool. I don't deserve a good pen quite yet. -- Be seeing you. |
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 19:31:25 -0500, Patrick Lamb
wrote: [...] Perhaps we've raised a generation that can't write longhand, and as a result can't read longhand. That's certainly true for me. My grandmother writes like that, and I have a really hard time reading it when she sends me letters. -- Be seeing you. |
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"Patrick Lamb" wrote in message
... Bluesea wrote: "Juan" wrote in message om... The problem seems to be that many people is not familiar with fp handwriting; at least that's my impression. As a reference, the handwriting here http://www.marcuslink.com/pens/ink-02.htm#blue resembles mine, although my letters are broader. Any opinions? Juan Hopefully, the writing on that site looks better in RL than it does on a computer monitor because, IMO, it's bad enough that I'd refuse to read anything by anyone who wrote that way. Since your writing is broader, I might not have such a negative reaction - it's hard to tell w/o actually seeing it. I'll side with Juan on this one. OK, the handwriting on the referenced web page may not go into an exemplar. But heck, in the days before computers printed everything, that would have been considered highly legible handwriting. (Unlike mine in those days!) Not around the people I've known, it wouldn't. Perhaps we've raised a generation that can't write longhand, and as a result can't read longhand. I didn't get that because he wrote, "The problem seems to be that many people is not familiar with fp handwriting; at least that's my impression" and not that the problem seems to be that many people aren't familiar with longhand or cursive, etc. In fact, the two sentences above (which were snipped) indicate to me that there hasn't been a problem when he writes with a bp. -- ~~Bluesea~~still shrugging Spam is great in musubi but not in email. Please take out the trash before sending a direct reply. |
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I am with Mark Z on this one.
If I am rushing I will be lucky to read whatever I am writing later (good luck to anyone else). If I slow down and think about forming my letters my penmanship is almost something to be proud of. Take your time, and Take Care, Ken.. "mz" wrote in message ... Juan wrote: Hi, I recently have received some "complaints" from some friends and coworkers about my handwriting. It is cursive, and I use F/M nibs (of course fps). What's going on? My handwriting is not bad; it is not like that rounded and separated letters some (most) people use though. A coworker even suggested me to use printing (!!!???) Do I have to pretend I'm in kindergarden so as my handwriting can be read or what? Has anyone had similar experiences? Note: I know that since you haven't seen my handwriting it might seem hard to have an opinion, but trust me, it is not bad, just cursive with a fountain pen. Juan Handwriting is a means of communication first and foremost. If others can't read it, then it fails at its primary function regardless of whether you can read it yourself or like its "look." That said, it doesn't mean you have to revert to printing. Having suffered from the same type of problem, others found my cursive writing became much more legible when I slowed down my writing. That alone resulted in more time spent forming each letter, producing the desired result: legibility. Whether that works for you or not, it seems some type of adjustment is needed. Mark Z. |
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