Tonkin cancellation on Hong Kong stamp

After taking a look at http://www.ingraham.ca/bob/6.jpg (on my web
site), please explain to me how a Haiphong, Tonkin cancellation might
have ended up on what appears to be a Hong Kong #44 violet on red
paper. I know that Tonkin (North Vietnam) was ruled by the Chinese
prior to the Sino-French war of August 1884 - April 1885, but since
Hong Kong was a British Crown Colony at that time, it seems unlikely
that Hong Kong stamps would be in use in Tonkin. Perhaps it was a case
of someone from Hong Kong getting away with using a Hong Kong rather
than a Chinese stamps? I am out of my depth here. Can someone offer
any advice or information? I am developing a "History of Vietnam"
collection, and this stamp would seem to fit, somehow.

Bob

"Bobstamp" wrote in message
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After taking a look at http://www.ingraham.ca/bob/6.jpg (on my web
site), please explain to me how a Haiphong, Tonkin cancellation might
have ended up on what appears to be a Hong Kong #44 violet on red
paper. I know that Tonkin (North Vietnam) was ruled by the Chinese
prior to the Sino-French war of August 1884 - April 1885, but since
Hong Kong was a British Crown Colony at that time, it seems unlikely
that Hong Kong stamps would be in use in Tonkin. Perhaps it was a case
of someone from Hong Kong getting away with using a Hong Kong rather
than a Chinese stamps? I am out of my depth here. Can someone offer
any advice or information? I am developing a "History of Vietnam"
collection, and this stamp would seem to fit, somehow.

Bob


Bob--unfettered by facts makes it easy to create a theory. Ship from Hong
Kong has crew member or passenger who writes a letter aboard the ship. Used
Hong Kong stamp. Ship mail is handed in at first postal port and receives
cancellation at the local post office, in this case Haiphong, Tonkin. With
both Hong Kong and Haiphong being ports, and the two ports being within easy
sailing distance of each other, that seems to be a possible explanation.
Let's see what the Far Eastern ship mail experts suggest.

Stan

On Jan 12, 4:58*pm, Bobstamp wrote:
After taking a look athttp://www.ingraham.ca/bob/6.jpg(on my web
site), please explain to me how a Haiphong, Tonkin cancellation might
have ended up on what appears to be a Hong Kong #44 violet on red
paper. I know that Tonkin (North Vietnam) was ruled by the Chinese
prior to the Sino-French war of August 1884 - April 1885, but since
Hong Kong was a British Crown Colony at that time, it seems unlikely
that Hong Kong stamps would be in use in Tonkin. Perhaps it was a case
of someone from Hong Kong getting away with using a Hong Kong rather
than a Chinese stamps? I am out of my depth here. Can someone offer
any advice or information? I am developing a "History of Vietnam"
collection, and this stamp would seem to fit, somehow.

Bob

Bob,
Is the year '95?
TL

it can be a paquebot mail, or more likely, a treaty port stamp.

the british used to have postal agencies in many asian treaty ports,
including haiphong. hongkong stamps were used in these treaty port postal
agencies and that's how a hongkong stamp got foreign postmarks.

cheers,
pat



"Bobstamp"
...
After taking a look at http://www.ingraham.ca/bob/6.jpg (on my web
site), please explain to me how a Haiphong, Tonkin cancellation might
have ended up on what appears to be a Hong Kong #44 violet on red
paper. I know that Tonkin (North Vietnam) was ruled by the Chinese
prior to the Sino-French war of August 1884 - April 1885, but since
Hong Kong was a British Crown Colony at that time, it seems unlikely
that Hong Kong stamps would be in use in Tonkin. Perhaps it was a case
of someone from Hong Kong getting away with using a Hong Kong rather
than a Chinese stamps? I am out of my depth here. Can someone offer
any advice or information? I am developing a "History of Vietnam"
collection, and this stamp would seem to fit, somehow.

Bob

On Jan 13, 10:58 am, Bobstamp wrote:
After taking a look athttp://www.ingraham.ca/bob/6.jpg(on my web
site), please explain to me how a Haiphong, Tonkin cancellation might
have ended up on what appears to be a Hong Kong #44 violet on red
paper. I know that Tonkin (North Vietnam) was ruled by the Chinese
prior to the Sino-French war of August 1884 - April 1885, but since
Hong Kong was a British Crown Colony at that time, it seems unlikely
that Hong Kong stamps would be in use in Tonkin. Perhaps it was a case
of someone from Hong Kong getting away with using a Hong Kong rather
than a Chinese stamps? I am out of my depth here. Can someone offer
any advice or information? I am developing a "History of Vietnam"
collection, and this stamp would seem to fit, somehow.

Bob

Bob

Tonkin was, nominally at least, under the Vietnamese Emperors at Hue,
who were in turn, nominally vassals of the Chinese Emperors. Just
when France could be said to have formally taken control is a nice
point because it held varying degrees of control over various bits of
Indochina at different times, but decrees issued in October 1887
placed the Protectorate of Tonkin under the French Minister of Marine
and Colonies and created the Union Indochinoise. (From my yellowing
copy of DGE Hall's 'History of South-East Asia', which provides a
great deal more information on the era.)

Haiphong was never a Treaty Port, and Gibbons don't list it under
their Treaty Ports in China list after Hong Kong. I'd suggest the
paquebot explanation is the most likely. The stamp came from a letter
posted on board a vessel bound from Hong Kong to Haiphong, and
cancelled on arrival in Tonkin.

Tony

On Jan 12, 6:58*pm, Bobstamp wrote:
After taking a look athttp://www.ingraham.ca/bob/6.jpg(on my web
site), please explain to me how a Haiphong, Tonkin cancellation might
have ended up on what appears to be a Hong Kong #44 violet on red
paper. I know that Tonkin (North Vietnam) was ruled by the Chinese
prior to the Sino-French war of August 1884 - April 1885, but since
Hong Kong was a British Crown Colony at that time, it seems unlikely
that Hong Kong stamps would be in use in Tonkin. Perhaps it was a case
of someone from Hong Kong getting away with using a Hong Kong rather
than a Chinese stamps? I am out of my depth here. Can someone offer
any advice or information? I am developing a "History of Vietnam"
collection, and this stamp would seem to fit, somehow.

Bob

Haiphong PAQUEBOT cancel on a cover coming by ship from Hong Kong.

Blair