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Old December 10th 05, 12:48 AM posted to alt.collecting.pens-pencils
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"Virtual Gordon" wrote in message
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I use Noodler's Air Corps Blue-Black in Moleskine journals with no
significant bleed through. I think it dries quite rapidly, and I (personal
taste here) like the finished appearance of the ink.


I haven't used the Air Corps Blue-Black yet. It is one of the Noodler
line-up and not Swisher's. It is the Swisher's special made faster drying
Noodler made inks that I've had trouble bleeding through on the moleskines.
I love those inks but with a med. nib they bleed through the other side of
the paper for me. They are fine on other papers and dry faster than the
reg. Noodlers. The Swisher Black is the blackest I've found and the Antigua
Blue as awesome.


One of my brothers is left handed and he uses a variety of Noodler's inks

in
Moleskines with no obvious difficulty utilizing a Pelikan M250 fitted with
an Oblique Medium nib. I believe that he writes in a conventional

underhand
manner.
Gordon


Well, if he was a over-writer, like many lefties, he would have trouble.
Especially with an Oblique. IMHO. Under-writers (with the hand under the
written line) like righties, seldom smear. I write under the line when
doing calligraphy with an italic nib without smearing,... but that is a
whole 'nother thing and much slower going than day to day writing, unless
you are a rightie like William Bostic. He was an art professor at Wayne
State from which I took a class in calligraphy; (italic cursive) He wrote
an italic cursive in all of his day to day correspondence, and it was
gorgeous.

Writing is so individual that it is hard to suggest inks and pens for
someone new to them, especially a left hander. The best understanding and
explanation of the left handed variables is on John Mottishaw's site. He
has really gone the extra mile. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it
;-) Just kidding of course.

Terry, who has written much In his several years that he wished he hadn't
:-)
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Old December 11th 05, 07:27 PM posted to alt.collecting.pens-pencils
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Terry McGinty wrote:

I haven't used the Air Corps Blue-Black yet. It is one of the Noodler
line-up and not Swisher's. It is the Swisher's special made faster drying
Noodler made inks that I've had trouble bleeding through on the
moleskines.
I love those inks but with a med. nib they bleed through the other side of
the paper for me. They are fine on other papers and dry faster than the
reg. Noodlers. The Swisher Black is the blackest I've found and the
Antigua
Blue as awesome.


Yes, the Swisher Pens brand of ink was developed primarily for use on pure
cotton and vellum papers and not moleskine. There are some types of paper
that we have found it will dry almost instantly without any bleed through at
all (some of these are listed in the product description on our web site).
I have heard that the regular Noodler's black ink does quite well on the
moleskine but would be interested in knowing if anyone has tried the
Noodler's "Swishmix" inks on this paper (the Nile Ebony has to be about the
blackest fountain pen ink I have ever used). Just curious if by making the
Noodler's waterproof inks dry a little faster they are no longer suitable
for moleskine. Thanks in advance.

Best wishes,

Chuck Swisher -

Swisher Pens, Inc. -
www.swisherpens.com

Tele: (757) 539-2209, TF: 1-888-340-7367, Fax: (757) 925-2787


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Old December 11th 05, 08:15 PM posted to alt.collecting.pens-pencils
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"Chuck Swisher" wrote in message
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Terry McGinty wrote:

I haven't used the Air Corps Blue-Black yet. It is one of the Noodler
line-up and not Swisher's. It is the Swisher's special made faster

drying
Noodler made inks that I've had trouble bleeding through on the
moleskines.
I love those inks but with a med. nib they bleed through the other side

of
the paper for me. They are fine on other papers and dry faster than the
reg. Noodlers. The Swisher Black is the blackest I've found and the
Antigua
Blue as awesome.


Yes, the Swisher Pens brand of ink was developed primarily for use on pure
cotton and vellum papers and not moleskine. There are some types of paper
that we have found it will dry almost instantly without any bleed through

at
all (some of these are listed in the product description on our web site).
I have heard that the regular Noodler's black ink does quite well on the
moleskine but would be interested in knowing if anyone has tried the
Noodler's "Swishmix" inks on this paper (the Nile Ebony has to be about

the
blackest fountain pen ink I have ever used). Just curious if by making

the
Noodler's waterproof inks dry a little faster they are no longer suitable
for moleskine. Thanks in advance.

Chuck,
I haven't tried your Swishmix yet, but in time I suppose I will. Time moves
faster for me these days, or I move half 'ast ;-) most likely.
So,...I don't know how the Swishmix would work on the Moleskine. The sun
doesn't rise and set on Moleskines, so I wouldn't worry. I like the regular
Swisher ink very well, and they appear to work for me on every paper except
Moleskines. I have most pads and stationery mentioned on your website and
your ink work beautifully on all of them. Moleskines aren't what I consider
good paper and I would advise them to change if I had their ear. I suppose
I should go to their website and complain about it ; white paper would be
nice also, but I doubt they'd take heed. After all how many eccentric
left-hinders are journaling in Moleskine notebooks anyway? ;-)

Regards,
Terry

Chuck Swisher -

Swisher Pens, Inc. -
www.swisherpens.com

Tele: (757) 539-2209, TF: 1-888-340-7367, Fax: (757) 925-2787




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Old December 12th 05, 01:49 AM posted to alt.collecting.pens-pencils
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In article , "Bluesea" wrote:
While a drop of detergent like a dishwashing liquid mixed with water may be
beneficial to wash out leftover manufacturing oils in a new pen, soap is
more difficult to rinse out and there's no point to leaving a film of soap

[snip]

i thought most modern "soap" is detergent which leaves no residual film like
the real "soap"? yes?

Really, plain water is all that's necessary for regular maintenance [snip]


i'm pretty sloppy about cleaning anyway so i rarely flush. when i do, i mostly
use water, because of the reason you pointed out (very hard to completely
rinse out --- all the bubbles

[snip] the KIS principle.


KIS?

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Old December 12th 05, 07:52 AM posted to alt.collecting.pens-pencils
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Terry McGinty wrote:
After all how many eccentric
left-hinders are journaling in Moleskine notebooks anyway? ;-)


Well, they _are_ hawking their wares to eccentrics, are they not? "Use
the same notebook as famous authors!" has a bit of a "be different from
the rest of the crowd" feel to it.

--
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Old December 12th 05, 07:53 AM posted to alt.collecting.pens-pencils
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phk wrote:
[snip] the KIS principle.



KIS?

regards,


Most likely "KISS," or "Keep It Simple, Stupid."

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"Iain Dalton" "iain [dot] dalton [at] gmail [dot] com" wrote in message
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Terry McGinty wrote:
After all how many eccentric
left-hinders are journaling in Moleskine notebooks anyway? ;-)


Well, they _are_ hawking their wares to eccentrics, are they not? "Use
the same notebook as famous authors!" has a bit of a "be different from
the rest of the crowd" feel to it.

--
Iain Dalton


Well, come to think of it you are a bit of an eccentric also:-) How many
High School students are interested in fountain pens?

Regards,
Terry

"If a man does not keep pace with his companion, perhaps it is because he
hears
a different drummer." - Henry David Thoreau


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Old December 13th 05, 07:20 AM posted to alt.collecting.pens-pencils
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Terry McGinty wrote:
Well, come to think of it you are a bit of an eccentric also:-) How many
High School students are interested in fountain pens?


I don't think _anyone_ I know uses fountain pens, but I have weird
tastes. I like many things that predate my generation--such as old
literature and old pens.

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Iain Dalton
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Old December 14th 05, 01:04 AM posted to alt.collecting.pens-pencils
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The main reason for using a fountain pen is that you don't have to
apply any pressure when writing, so you can write for hours, not
minutes, before your fingers cramp. The secondary reason is that its a
lot more pleasurable to write a smooth, wet line than a dry, scratchy
or oily line.

As far as finding pens, if you're on a budget and want to try out a lot
of pens to find out the best for you, get a list of fountain makers and
their pens from a book on fountain pens, or from this site, and start
buying at random on ebay or elsewhere. You can get perfectly decent
pens for $10 or less (along with some junk). Better yet, go to a pen
show (google will give you sites that list these) if you're within
driving distance of one, and get the three or four pens that you like
the best, after testing them.

In my experience the quality of new pens increases up to around $75.
Beyond that you're just paying for glitter, gold nibs, etc.

Stay away from the more famous vintage pens, as they are overpriced.
Collectors, most of whom do not even use their pens, run the price up
to absurd levels on these. Also, red, rubylike colors seem to drive
bidders wild on ebay.

As far as looks goes, I think Italian pens are prettiest in general,
with American pens of the golden age (the 40's and 50's) a close
second.

Finally, if as most pen fanciers do, you prefer a smooth and wet pen,
vintage pens from around 1945 onwards down to around 1960 are far
smoother and wetter than other periods.

The big four, Sheaffer, Parker, Waterman and Eversharp always command a
premium in the vintage market, simply because everbody knows about
them. But they put out plenty of junk and near-junk. You are better off
exploring the less-known brands if you are on a budget. As far more
knowledgeable people than myself have pointed out here before, there is
only a very loose connection between quality and price in fountain
pens.

 




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