Question on new e-Bay rules.

Hello friends!
I am not usually selling coins but right now I want to sell a specific coin
and I have a couple a questions regarding these new rules I hear lately.
The coin is encapsulated in a slab of one of the companies which are not
considered kosher by eBay.
My question is if I can list it:
-without making any reference to the slabing company nor saying it is
slabbed,
-stating the grade I believe the coin is (of course it will be the same as
the one reported on the slab)
-showing pictures of the coin in the slab.

Thanks a lot!

"gogu" wrote in message
...
Hello friends!
I am not usually selling coins but right now I want to sell a specific
coin and I have a couple a questions regarding these new rules I hear
lately.
The coin is encapsulated in a slab of one of the companies which are not
considered kosher by eBay.
My question is if I can list it:
-without making any reference to the slabing company nor saying it is
slabbed,
-stating the grade I believe the coin is (of course it will be the same as
the one reported on the slab)
-showing pictures of the coin in the slab.

Thanks a lot!

I've seen and heard of auctions being pulled for the precise things you
mention, and I've seen other auctions skate through with the same things
included. It all seems to depend on whether someone complains to eBay or
not. In some cases, a photo of the non-approved slab that includes the
label details can be grounds for a pull, even if there's no text at all.

I would examine some completed eBay auctions of coins slabbed by the same
company as yours in order to get an idea of what people have been getting
away with lately.

Good luck!

"gogu" wrote in message
...
Hello friends!
I am not usually selling coins but right now I want to sell a specific coin and I have a
couple a questions regarding these new rules I hear lately.
The coin is encapsulated in a slab of one of the companies which are not considered
kosher by eBay.
My question is if I can list it:
-without making any reference to the slabing company nor saying it is slabbed,
-stating the grade I believe the coin is (of course it will be the same as the one
reported on the slab)
-showing pictures of the coin in the slab.

Thanks a lot!

If you have access to the current issue (May 5) of Coin World, my Guest Commentary (page
14) discusses this very issue in detail as seen from a buyer's viewpoint. It's based on
my real-life experiences with a numismatic collecting project using e-Bay.

If you're really concerned with being ethical, don't list your items on e-Bay based on
"what others are getting away with". The truth is, e-Bay is about as effective in
enforcing its own rules as the war on drugs has been in keeping drugs off the streets,
i.e., for every one that the enforcers put away, there are dozens who continue their
illicit trade.

Unless it's slabbed by a service approved by e-Bay, DO NOT make any reference to grading
or slabbing, DO NOT run a picture of the coin with the slab or even just the grade
showing, DO NOT offer any opinion as to what the coin might grade as. These all are
violations of e-Bay policy yet they are common hallmarks of sleazy sellers who continue to
deliberately peddle shiny junk coins to unsuspecting buyers.

Of course, if all you're interested in is making a fast buck with no regard for business
ethics, then feel free to join the ranks of the other frauds and crooks who routinely post
their wares on e-Bay using those selling tactics. The chances of anyone doing anything
about it are pretty slim. You might even extort some additional money with a lawsuit for
damages if anyone dares to give you a Neutral or Negative review.

You cannot mention the name of a grading company that's not an
approved by ebay anywhere in the title or text.
only PCGS, NGC [and NCS for damaged/cleaned coins], ANACS and ICG. So
much for describing what you are selling.

You can list the grade in the title as VF or Very Fine, but not VF-20,
even though the latter is the only approved form for
official American Numismatic Association grades.

You can mention the grade on the slab in the text description, but
can't mention that the grade is ON a slab. You
can use the VF-20 format for the grade. You can give it your own
grade, but can't say it's graded.

They also have cancelled auctions from referring to a coin being in a
"slab", even though Coin World sells
slabs, and grading companies put coins in slabs without grades.
Mentioning "unapproved slab" is either
a very good idea, or prohibited, depended on which person at ebay is
using the fake "Heidi" name at the time.

And you can't mention any values, even though PCI and SEGS slabs have
sight-unseen firm bids on the
Bluesheet and electronic trading networks.

And if you pay ebay $1500 for a "live auction" of up to 10,000 items,
you are "bullet proof" because a licensed
auctioneer is allowed by law to describe the items and provide an
estimate of value...but if you are a licensed
auctioneer (as I am) and you don't pay ebay $1500, an auction for the
identical item with the identical description
will be ended for "violation of the counterfeit policy."

Are you in Europe as your email address indicates? Listing on a non-
US ebay site avoids all of this
nonsense.

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:33:57 +0300, "gogu"
wrote:

Hello friends!
I am not usually selling coins but right now I want to sell a specific coin
and I have a couple a questions regarding these new rules I hear lately.
The coin is encapsulated in a slab of one of the companies which are not
considered kosher by eBay.
My question is if I can list it:
-without making any reference to the slabing company nor saying it is
slabbed,
-stating the grade I believe the coin is (of course it will be the same as
the one reported on the slab)
-showing pictures of the coin in the slab.

The safe route is to list the coin with images of the front and back
of the slab, but to say nothing in the headline or text about the
grade or grading company.

The slab image will let the bidder know who it was slabbed by and the
grade assigned to it.

You can say, in the text, that "I believe this coin is in the upper
range for this grade" or something like that.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:00:48 GMT, "John Mazor"
wrote:


"gogu" wrote in message
m...
Hello friends!
I am not usually selling coins but right now I want to sell a specific coin and I have a
couple a questions regarding these new rules I hear lately.
The coin is encapsulated in a slab of one of the companies which are not considered
kosher by eBay.
My question is if I can list it:
-without making any reference to the slabing company nor saying it is slabbed,
-stating the grade I believe the coin is (of course it will be the same as the one
reported on the slab)
-showing pictures of the coin in the slab.

Thanks a lot!

If you have access to the current issue (May 5) of Coin World, my Guest Commentary (page
14) discusses this very issue in detail as seen from a buyer's viewpoint. It's based on
my real-life experiences with a numismatic collecting project using e-Bay.

If you're really concerned with being ethical, don't list your items on e-Bay based on
"what others are getting away with". The truth is, e-Bay is about as effective in
enforcing its own rules as the war on drugs has been in keeping drugs off the streets,
i.e., for every one that the enforcers put away, there are dozens who continue their
illicit trade.

Unless it's slabbed by a service approved by e-Bay, DO NOT make any reference to grading
or slabbing, DO NOT run a picture of the coin with the slab

Why not? I don't see any eBay rule against this, or even a rule that
*could* be interpreted as being against this.

There is nothing in any way unethical about providing an image of a
slabbed coin no matter who slabbed it. Lack of ethics would be an
issue only if the image of the coin itself was altered or obscured in
such a way as to conceal defects or condition.


or even just the grade
showing, DO NOT offer any opinion as to what the coin might grade as. These all are
violations of e-Bay policy yet they are common hallmarks of sleazy sellers who continue to
deliberately peddle shiny junk coins to unsuspecting buyers.

Of course, if all you're interested in is making a fast buck with no regard for business
ethics, then feel free to join the ranks of the other frauds and crooks who routinely post
their wares on e-Bay using those selling tactics. The chances of anyone doing anything
about it are pretty slim. You might even extort some additional money with a lawsuit for
damages if anyone dares to give you a Neutral or Negative review.



--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

On Apr 28, 1:00*pm, "John Mazor" wrote:
DO NOT run a picture of the coin with the slab or even just the grade
showing, DO NOT offer any opinion as to what the coin might grade as. *These all are
violations of e-Bay policy yet they are common hallmarks of sleazy sellers who continue to
deliberately peddle shiny junk coins to unsuspecting buyers.

Sellers of non-eBay-approved TPG coins are most certainly allowed to
show a picture of the coin in the non-approved slab.
They can not claim the coin to be "certified" or mention the TPG name
nor can they mention a numeric grade in the auction title (it can be
mentioned in the text of the auction however).

? "tony cooper" ?????? ??? ??????
...
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:00:48 GMT, "John Mazor"
wrote:

Unless it's slabbed by a service approved by e-Bay, DO NOT make any
reference to grading
or slabbing, DO NOT run a picture of the coin with the slab


Why not? I don't see any eBay rule against this, or even a rule that
*could* be interpreted as being against this.

That was exactly the point of my question!
If I don't make any statement/reference to any grading company, just showing
a slabbed coin, is this an eBay rules violation?
My understanding is that it's not but I wanted your expert opinions.


There is nothing in any way unethical about providing an image of a
slabbed coin no matter who slabbed it. Lack of ethics would be an
issue only if the image of the coin itself was altered or obscured in
such a way as to conceal defects or condition.

--

E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and mo
http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb120/golanule/
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

? "Frank Provasek" ?????? ??? ??????
...
You cannot mention the name of a grading company that's not an
approved by ebay anywhere in the title or text.
only PCGS, NGC [and NCS for damaged/cleaned coins], ANACS and ICG.

Of course not!
As I said I intend to just show pictures of the slabbed coin without making
any reference to the slabbing company.

So
much for describing what you are selling.

My intention is to just describe the coin, not the slab, and let people see
the picture and see that the coin is slabbed and by whom.

You can list the grade in the title as VF or Very Fine, but not VF-20,
even though the latter is the only approved form for
official American Numismatic Association grades.

I see...

You can mention the grade on the slab in the text description, but
can't mention that the grade is ON a slab.

Of course not!
As I said I intend to say what grade *I* believe the coin is.
Does the fact that my grading will coincide with the grade on the coin makes
my listing "illegal" under eBay's latest rules?

You
can use the VF-20 format for the grade. You can give it your own
grade, but can't say it's graded.

Sure.


And you can't mention any values, even though PCI and SEGS slabs have
sight-unseen firm bids on the
Bluesheet and electronic trading networks.

Well, I have no intention to mention any kind of values.


Are you in Europe as your email address indicates?

Yes!
(But my e-mail address is a spamtrap;-))

Listing on a non-
US ebay site avoids all of this
nonsense.

?!
Wow, I didn't know that!
The rare times I've sell a coin I usually listed it in eBay Canada, are the
same rules applied there as in the US eBay?

Thanks for the insight!


--

E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and mo
http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb120/golanule/
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

? "tony cooper" ?????? ??? ??????
...
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:33:57 +0300, "gogu"
wrote:

Hello friends!
I am not usually selling coins but right now I want to sell a specific
coin
and I have a couple a questions regarding these new rules I hear lately.
The coin is encapsulated in a slab of one of the companies which are not
considered kosher by eBay.
My question is if I can list it:
-without making any reference to the slabing company nor saying it is
slabbed,
-stating the grade I believe the coin is (of course it will be the same as
the one reported on the slab)
-showing pictures of the coin in the slab.


The safe route is to list the coin with images of the front and back
of the slab, but to say nothing in the headline or text about the
grade or grading company.

That is my exact intention!

The slab image will let the bidder know who it was slabbed by and the
grade assigned to it.

Exactly!

You can say, in the text, that "I believe this coin is in the upper
range for this grade" or something like that.

I see...
Not so "professional" but it gives a clue and if someone is really
interested he can always e-mail me and ask for a more precise evaluation...
Thanks!


--

E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and mo
http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb120/golanule/
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html