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WARNING: Noodler's Inks [P.S.]
On Tue, 30 May 2006 11:05:05 -0400, Chuck Swisher wrote:
I don't see where there was any "tub-thumping" going on in my post. I didn't refer to your post specifically. Look at the whole thread. Your reply was reasonable and practical. Perhaps Mr. ****-magnet may have provided such proof had he not been called a troll and verbally bludgeoned by the Noodlers advocates. So no, this ink isn't a sacred cow, but it does put food on the table and clothes on the back of a very good friend of mine. That's true of any ink, or indeed any manufactured article. Can we expect to see the group entirely taken over by manufacturers and retailers of ink, pens and papers or will the special pleading be confined to Noodlers? Give me this proof and you can say anything you like about this ink I've said nothing about the ink, nor do I intend to. My comment was about the rush to condemn the OP and extol the virtues of the ink. One may be forgiven for suspecting the mob's motives when presented with such an unedifying spectacle. Beyond unnecessarily repeating yourself - your earlier posts are still there for all to see - you've contributed nothing to the debate nor have you in any way controverted my earlier point. -- Sem |
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WARNING: Noodler's Inks [P.S.]
"~s***-magnet~" wrote: I can understand why there might be misgivings toward myself as an unknown. But the guy that had the bad example of Noodles ruining his Pelly I believe to be an expert regarding fountain pens. Unless he is in direct competition with Noodles with his own line of ink products, that I doubt, I would have had no reason to question his veracity. He seemed like a very knowledgable reasonable guy. I don't use Noodler's and have no loyalty to the owner or to the brand. I haven't responded until now, but I must say that I had a hard time believing the claim in your initial post. The reason is that I can't imagine how any water-based ink could *ruin* a Pelikan nib assembly. At the very worst, you'd have to unscrew the nib/feed assembly, disassemble the nib/feed assembly (an easy job), and pop the works in an ultrasonic cleaner. Further, that any water-based ink could ruin a gold alloy nib is totally beyond belief. I'd like to see evidence of any gold-alloy nib ruined by any water-based fountain pen ink. Now, that someone could ruin one or more components of a nib/feed assembly while trying to remove it from the pen or disassemble it is entirely believable. I'm very curious but don't want to pester Travis with a bunch of e-mails... In what way was his nib ruined? FWIW, if I were using any heavily dye-concentrated ink (and there are a bunch on the market), I'd be sure to flush the pen with fresh ink (to clear the feed channels) and flush with fresh water more often than I would with less concentrated inks. -- B |
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WARNING: Noodler's Inks
"Calvin Romanoff" wrote in message .. . Mr./Ms. S. Magnet, I very seldom have anything to say in public newsgroups but I find participation as a lurker very helpful. Please allow me to express my opinion that is neutral and hopefully openminded, based soley on observation. First of all, you stamp yourself (or allow yourself to be) with a username that at the very least is impolite. At worst, it casts a negative "first impression" suggesting that you may be looking for trouble. You explained the reason but I ponder why you couldn't have taken a moment to temporarily modify it to a more innocuous version. Secondly, I assume you are a virtual stranger in this group. In other words, people don't know who you are or what your motives may be. There is a lot of "trolling" that occurs everywhere. This is cause to be naturally suspicious of anything that may seem irregular. It is my nature to give people a benefit of doubt until they have demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that they are not presenting themselves in good faith. You impressed me as a person that seemed alarmed by an experience and that you attempted to communicate in good faith. I wasn't suspicious because in my 48 years of experience with fountain pens, I know that under many circumstances, any pen can be incompatible to all degrees with any ink. One simple test with ink is observing if an ink beads up on a nib or remains uniformly coated. If you find the situation to be the latter, it is a good indication that the ink may be too viscous for some pens. You can not judge a pen by it's maker since all pens have variations. I believe there was no cause for your credibility or motivation to be openly questioned or attacked but I can see where others were unnecessarily being rude and preferring to bicker rather than offer help. There again, you have to understand that there are small enclaves of people that too quickly defend others. Although some of it I believe is through a genuine innocent act of loyalty, the "gun-jumpers" may be "bandwagoning" in the hope of "getting a better deal" somewhere down the pike. Collecting pens can be a passion, and an expensive one at that, so although as disingenuous as some may be, and biting as they may have been to you, it could offer an advantage when landing that "must have" pen or purchasing a bottle of ink. Also there are certain personality types, sort of the "high-strung old biting queen" kind that have to pick at everything. No offense intended, I'm also an old queen, but the more mellow gentle sort. Please don't leave the group thinking everyone are assholes (please excuse the expression.) There are a lot of good people here as well as most other ngs. I wouldn't take anything personally. I applaud you for not "taking the bait" and participating in another war thread. Except for the user name, you came out the bigger one. If you continue to experience problems with some of your pens, if you email me, I'd be happy to walk you through a simple five step diagnostic procedure to determine what may be ailing the two of your pens. It is usually better but perhaps not easier to modify the pen rather than fool around with the inks. -Calvin "~****-magnet~" wrote in message . com... These inks may not be the best for medium and/or fine nibbed pens. I have experienced drying and clogging of both a Waterman and Romet medium, both newer pens. Because the higher concentration of pigment in Noodlers, the stroke-line looks better when used with fine and medium nibs but be prepared for problems. Using the same two Noodler's inks in a broad-nib MB seems to be no problem with it's generous ink-flow but I hesitate to load it into a Pelican since someone complained to me that Noodler's totally ruined his Pelikan and lead to replacement. He didn't say what nib he was using but I heeded his warning. Noodler's inks are so striking in appearance so it is very disappointing. It is certainly an opposite to the more watery Pelican inks so perhaps there is a reason. -T Thank you for your posting. Are you a psychic or something? You certainly read my mind and expressed it more eloquently than I could have. I have no hard feelings against anyone. After reading your interpretation, I'm kind of sorry for some of those people. If I leave the group it will be because I got all the info I needed and from some good advise obtained from some great people in this group, I even landed a new pen (Pelly) based on good info found here. I haven't purchased a new pen for about 30 years (a MB) and it will be another 30 before I get another. I don't have extra time to hang out but I know where to come if I have a new question. I am interested in talking to you about your diagnostics. I would like to find out exactly why 2 pens dried out and one got stopped-up while 3 others instantly layed down a good wet line. I'm so happy that you are willing to walk me through this mystery. I've never had pens dry out on me unless one got misplaced for a year or so. Four or five other people expressed good experiences with the ink with an assortment of other pens so I won't give up on the product. The old MB simply loves the deluxe blue ink. I think I will keep it away from my Pelly even though it has a broad nib. It's not quite as wet as the MB even though they both have broad nibs. I have a Namiki that I'm going to use the midnight blue. I use different colors/pens for specific dedicated tasks and two each of broad and medium serve all my needs. Unfortunately I think the rich colors look particularly good applied from a fine or medium nib. The volume from a broad nib makes a more diluted color produce a more attractive mark, at least IMO. Take care. BTW, my name is Thomas. Tom (not ****-magnet) |
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WARNING: Noodler's Inks [P.S.]
On Tue, 30 May 2006 12:02:55 -0400, "~****-magnet~"
wrote: Mr. Swisher: Please contact Travis, the owner of Pens-More [ .] He is an expert and (in his professional opinion) he believes his Pelican was totally ruined by Noodlers ink. I'm no professional and my pens were rescued without permanent damage so I am not the one to challenge. Still, I don't always have time to wash my pens every week or dilute the ink so I will continue to enjoy your product in my broad nibs. The medium and fine nibs are ill and the doctor has prescribed 2% formula since cream is too rich for their well-being. The majority of my working pens are Pelikans and most of them are fine points (which are pretty much mediums compared to several other makes). They range from 150s to 600s (jnot counting the 800 that is being corrected). Some of them will sit unused with either Noodlers or Swisher ink in them for months - most write on the first attempt when picked up. There has been no damage to any of them from the ink and Noodlers and Swishers is all I use - the Mont Blanc ink goes down the drain and I use the bottles for the Noodlers. I can see someone that isn't a pro asking the question and where else would they ask the question? But when a person described as a pro makes such a determination, then I find it suspect - not on my deep knowledge of inks, which does not exist, but from using Noodlers in at least six colors in Pelikans since Noodlers came out with blue, black, and blue-black (the only ink I don't much care for, but then, I'm not sure why I ordered it to begin with). Noodlers has been consistently better in any and all pens that I own than any other ink. Period. And I've tried a few and even liked some before Noodlers. Anyone want some perfectly good appearing Private Reserve inks of various colors? Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... |
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WARNING: Noodler's Inks
"Derf" wrote in message ... On Sun, 28 May 2006 21:52:28 -0400, "~****-magnet~" wrote: During the previous 20 years, my pens have gone sometimes ninety days+ without activity and never dried out. Rather than facing the time consuming ritual of purging the ink in anticipation of an extended holiday, I just won't use Noodles ink in my medium nibbed pens. FWIW, I use Noodlers in a med point modern Pelikan, and it flows without any hesitation even after two weeks of non-use. I use Noodlers in a Japanese fine point, and it works very well, but it won't go two weeks, but neither will Aurora or PR ink go that long in that pen. -- regards, Fred The book of love is long and boring No one can lift the damn thing It's full of charts and facts and figures and instructions for dancing The Magnetic Fields I have an older MB (broad) that will go perhaps a year without drying out as long as there is ample ink in the chamber. I consider this to be an odd exception. This pen is also consistantly wetter than I wouldn't expect from any maker. I'd love to know why pens exceed expectations as well as behave disappointingly. The others may last 2-4 months and not dry out. A Namiki, also a broad nib will dry to the point of "skipping" for a while before resuming a good flow. Even the new Pelican's wettness falls slightly short of the MB and I know the Pelly is of higher quality than the MB. When I get some time to furlough the Pelly for a few days, I am going to slightly dilute the Noodler's and do a few simple experiments using those same two med nibs and will take notes. Have a MB for 25+ years that by luck has performed as a super-pen, a "perfect" performer - perhaps it has spoiled me and I have unrealistic expectations of the other pens, particularly the Pelly. I'm seeing a lot of favorable reports, such as yours and I am looking hard for good reason to give the Noodlers another chance because I really do like all it's other attributes. The way my habits coincide with an irregular schedule, I really need a lower maintenance pen that will (hopefully) stay wet for at least a month and perhaps even six weeks. I'd like for that beautiful new Pelly to stand beside the MB and both enjoy Noodlers without any hesitation. Except for myself and one other, all experience reported has been favorable. A little time shall tell. Take care Fred. |
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WARNING: Noodler's Inks
In article , "~****-magnet~" wrote:
i do agree that they're highly pigmented. & it make changing ink colors quite tedious. [snip] I love the heavy pigment. I use a sonic gyrate to clean my pens, a device designed for the jewelry industry. It does take several water changes. i also like the saturated colors. i also have a ultrasound cleaner. perhaps i'd try it some other time. my solution is stick with same ink for the same pen (usually in matching color) for a _long_ time. (except i have no transparant ink nor striped ink LOL) bye now, ========== Pam @ Home Cort Furniture Rental and Honesty are two mutually exclusive concepts. |
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WARNING: Noodler's Inks
"phk" wrote in message ... In article , "~****-magnet~" wrote: i do agree that they're highly pigmented. & it make changing ink colors quite tedious. [snip] I love the heavy pigment. I use a sonic gyrate to clean my pens, a device designed for the jewelry industry. It does take several water changes. i also like the saturated colors. i also have a ultrasound cleaner. perhaps i'd try it some other time. my solution is stick with same ink for the same pen (usually in matching color) for a _long_ time. (except i have no transparant ink nor striped ink LOL) bye now, ========== Pam @ Home Cort Furniture Rental and Honesty are two mutually exclusive concepts. Right now there's Pelikan ink in it, from the bottle that comes with the pen. I'd still like to try the Noodler's and if the pen "likes" the ink, continue using it. Funny, I coordinate my pen body colors with ink colors also. It seems the natural thing to do. BTW - I had an old old bottle of Carter green ink that I bought at a five & dime store in 1958 and it offered up a nice bonus of bunches of polkadots. I washed out the container and saved the little bottle. I've gotta dive into this reader and try to set up my own account so I can get rid of this handle following me. I sort of cringe when I see it in the ng. The account and machine belongs to my nephew. It's hard to tell what groups he hangs out in with a nym like that. Take care! |
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WARNING: Noodler's Inks [A Big Thanks!]
"Semolina Pilchard" wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 May 2006 11:05:05 -0400, Chuck Swisher wrote: I didn't refer to your post specifically. Look at the whole thread. Your reply was reasonable and practical. Perhaps Mr. ****-magnet may have provided such proof had he not been called a troll and verbally bludgeoned by the Noodlers advocates. That's true of any ink, or indeed any manufactured article. Can we expect to see the group entirely taken over by manufacturers and retailers of ink, pens and papers or will the special pleading be confined to Noodlers? I've said nothing about the ink, nor do I intend to. My comment was about the rush to condemn the OP and extol the virtues of the ink. One may be forgiven for suspecting the mob's motives when presented with such an unedifying spectacle. -- Sem Thank you for going to bat for me Sem. I also thank Calvin for his bitter/sweet frankness. In this climate, I know it can be difficult for people to express "unpopular" ideas particularly if they involve certain products. All along I made every attempt to remain open-minded, there were times when I was even thinking and expressing positive thoughts about the ink. I had 2 pens that dried-out and one had a small clogg. This had never occurred before until I changed inks. Even the nothing was ruined. At about the same time, a "professional pen expert" reported to me that a Pelican what permanently ruined by Noodler's ink and I had just purchased a Pelican. From the personal experience commensurate with "professional advice" I had warning me against Noodler's and Pelicans, I feel I was acting in good faith. I also want to thank Harry, Pam, Gordon, Fred, Robert, Curtis, and BL. If I left anyone out, it was an oversight and I apologize. As someone else said, "there are good people in there" and all you guys were very helpful to me. All I was doing was sharing/seeking information and I t rust that we were all helpful to one another. Calvin, your advice played a major roll in my decision to return the Pelly for non-ink-related reasons. As for Tetra, you have a catty attitude an portray a personality that Calvin expressed in his post. Your mention of a crapper reminds me, your posts are already going into a virtual crapper called a filter. Terry, I'm sorry that you were so overwelmed by someone's juvenile handle that the distraction precluded you from offering any real help. Do you have ADD or something? As for you Billtx calling me a troll, you jumped the gun didn't you? Borked; calling me a fear monger. If I have had that affect on you, please understand that I wasn't trying to scare you or anyone. Borked, you based your unwarranted misgivings on the fact that I didn't name the person that's Pelly was ruined by. Although under no obligation, it was still hard for me to give up the name of the person and his professional opinion that his pen was ruined. I regret having to give good info that many of you did not deserve to here. I called your bluff but who is really hurt as the result of it. Be careful. The next can of worms you force opened may hit you closer to home. Chuck, shame on you for judging my credibility based on what I could prove. After successfully cleaning my pens without damage, you know I couldn't offer any proof of anything yet your perception of me was based on this proof. I did report the pen-expert that warned me of your ink. I assume that you and he are/were friends and he doesn't have a competing ink factory tucked away somewhere goes he? I've never had ill-dealings with you, I don't know you nor had I have had anything against you and the success of your business or the lack thereof has no impact on me one way or another. Still, your general attitude wasn't becoming of a successful businessman. If my postings stressed you out to the point that you apparently reached, perhaps you should find a new "lower keyed" venture to involve yourself. As a result of all this, I have learned that it is a good rule-of-thumb to at least perform minimal maintenance on all all pens without regard to ink, particularly if I am going to use rich inks like Noodler's. For many years I have gotten away with leaving ink in my pen while inactive for 4 or 5 months and only purging with water when changing inks. This pen was the exception. From this point on, all pens are going to be rinsed will water at least every 4-6 weeks. BTW, I gave all my inks the test to see which one(s) kept a coating on the nib after hearing that inks that did not bead on the nib also leaves a coating on the inside (similar to cholestrol and blood vessel walls.) I won't say which one brand on hand failed the test nor what brands were on hand. I'm not even sure if this "test" is really reliable. This merits further investigation. Thank you all for ready through this wordy and probably boring posting. -Moonstone- (formerly S. Magnet) |
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WARNING: Noodler's Inks [A Big Thanks!]
On Wed, 31 May 2006 18:07:16 -0400, -Moonstone- wrote:
Thank you for going to bat for me Sem. You're welcome. I'm in the perhaps fortunate position of being a pen collector and someone with an enduring interest in the subject. I have no commercial interest in it. I prefer to see an open and robust discourse. That's what usenet's for and we all learn and gain by it. -- Sem |
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WARNING: Noodler's Inks [A Big Thanks!]
-Moonstone- wrote:
As for Tetra, you have a catty attitude an portray a personality that Calvin expressed in his post. Your mention of a crapper reminds me, your posts are already going into a virtual crapper called a filter. Terry, I'm sorry that you were so overwelmed by someone's juvenile handle that the distraction precluded you from offering any real help. Do you have ADD or something? As for you Billtx calling me a troll, you jumped the gun didn't you? Borked; calling me a fear monger. If I have had that affect on you, please understand that I wasn't trying to scare you or anyone. Borked, you based your unwarranted misgivings on the fact that I didn't name the person that's Pelly was ruined by. Although under no obligation, it was still hard for me to give up the name of the person and his professional opinion that his pen was ruined. I regret having to give good info that many of you did not deserve to here. I called your bluff but who is really hurt as the result of it. Be careful. The next can of worms you force opened may hit you closer to home. Chuck, shame on you for judging my credibility based on what I could prove. After successfully cleaning my pens without damage, you know I couldn't offer any proof of anything yet your perception of me was based on this proof. I did report the pen-expert that warned me of your ink. I assume that you and he are/were friends and he doesn't have a competing ink factory tucked away somewhere goes he? I've never had ill-dealings with you, I don't know you nor had I have had anything against you and the success of your business or the lack thereof has no impact on me one way or another. Still, your general attitude wasn't becoming of a successful businessman. If my postings stressed you out to the point that you apparently reached, perhaps you should find a new "lower keyed" venture to involve yourself. Meow! |
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