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US Veterans of Foreign Wars Stamp
I have seen by chance in Scott the stamp 1525, issued March 11th, 1974, and
dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the Veterans of Foreign Wars organization. Quite interesting, because the only non-foreign US American war that I can remember was the Civil (Secession, Rebellion) War, one that happened about 150 years ago. Even if it looks as a long time ago, actually this war was not so old for an organization that was probably created in 1899. Victor Manta --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philatelic Webmasters Organization: http://pwmo.org Art on Stamps: http://values.ch Romania Shown by Its Stamps: http://marci-postale.com Communism on Stamps: http://www.values.ch/Communism/ Spanish Africa: http://www.values.ch/sna-site/ Remove "um" from the e-mail address to reply --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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In the category of "foreign wars" they define any military action,
occupation or service outside of the United States territory. Perhaps the first "foreign war" of the United States was the war with the Barbary pirates in 1805. Marines took part in this miltary action which today is evident in the "to the shores of Tripoli" line in the Marine Corps hymn. So the United States' first "foreign war" was 74 years before the founding of the VFW. The VFW was probably founded as an organization for the veterans of the then recently concluded Spanish-American War where units served in Philippines, Guam and Cuba. Dave "Victor Manta" wrote in message ... I have seen by chance in Scott the stamp 1525, issued March 11th, 1974, and dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the Veterans of Foreign Wars organization. Quite interesting, because the only non-foreign US American war that I can remember was the Civil (Secession, Rebellion) War, one that happened about 150 years ago. Even if it looks as a long time ago, actually this war was not so old for an organization that was probably created in 1899. Victor Manta -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Philatelic Webmasters Organization: http://pwmo.org Art on Stamps: http://values.ch Romania Shown by Its Stamps: http://marci-postale.com Communism on Stamps: http://www.values.ch/Communism/ Spanish Africa: http://www.values.ch/sna-site/ Remove "um" from the e-mail address to reply -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - |
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Dave wrote:
In the category of "foreign wars" they define any military action, occupation or service outside of the United States territory. Perhaps the first "foreign war" of the United States was the war with the Barbary pirates in 1805. Marines took part in this miltary action which today is evident in the "to the shores of Tripoli" line in the Marine Corps hymn. So the United States' first "foreign war" was 74 years before the founding of the VFW. The VFW was probably founded as an organization for the veterans of the then recently concluded Spanish-American War where units served in Philippines, Guam and Cuba. Yup. See http://www.vfw.org/index.cfm?fa=news.leveld&did=224 I would think that the only veteran's associations at the time were for those who fought in the Civil War, such as the Grand Army Of The Republic and the United Confederate Veterans Association who were commemorated by Scott nos. 985 (Aug 29, 1949) and 998 (May 30, 1951). "Victor Manta" wrote in message ... I have seen by chance in Scott the stamp 1525, issued March 11th, 1974, and dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the Veterans of Foreign Wars organization. Quite interesting, because the only non-foreign US American war that I can remember was the Civil (Secession, Rebellion) War, one that happened about 150 years ago. Even if it looks as a long time ago, actually this war was not so old for an organization that was probably created in 1899. |
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"Victor Manta" wrote in message ... I have seen by chance in Scott the stamp 1525, issued March 11th, 1974, and dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the Veterans of Foreign Wars organization. Quite interesting, because the only non-foreign US American war that I can remember was the Civil (Secession, Rebellion) War, one that happened about 150 years ago. Even if it looks as a long time ago, actually this war was not so old for an organization that was probably created in 1899. Victor Manta In the category of "foreign wars" they define any military action, occupation or service outside of the United States territory. Perhaps the first "foreign war" of the United States was the war with the Barbary pirates in 1805. Marines took part in this miltary action which today is evident in the "to the shores of Tripoli" line in the Marine Corps hymn. So the United States' first "foreign war" was 74 years before the founding of the VFW. The VFW was probably founded as an organization for the veterans of the then recently concluded Spanish-American War where units served in Philippines, Guam and Cuba. Dave Stretching the point somewhat, and not very much if you happen to be a native American, the U.S. Army engaged in "foreign wars" when it set about exterminating several Indian tribes on land that the Indians "owned" in the sense they had always had full freedom of movement upon it, notwithstanding the ongoing conflicts between various Indian tribes. In signing treaties with Indians, the American government certainly appeared to acknowledge the existence of aboriginal nations. But of course, most of the treaties were resulted from shameful pretense, and the Indians were doomed from the start, despite Custer's Last Stand. (I visited the site of the Battle of the Little Bighorn a few years ago. It's an incredibly moving place. It's not too hard to imagine yourself there on that sunny morning, with death a near certainty for the U.S. troopers. Small markers point out the exact spots where many individual Indians and soldiers died. Altogether it's a quiet, beautiful, and eerie place.) I recently watched a documentary about the last of the Indian resistance and was reminded that it seemed very much like a preview of the Second World War when the Germans were exterminating Jews in Eastern Europe. There's not much difference between Lidice, where Germans destroyed an entire Czech community, and the "Battle" of Wounded Knee, where Americans virtually murdered hundreds of natives, most of them women and children who were ill and trying to seek aid from the soldiers. Dave mentioned the Spanish American War. I learned only a couple of years ago that I grew up and often played near the grave of an ancestor who served in the Philippines, and died as a resut of disease contracted there. I have recently published a web page which mentions this, as well as the Indian Wars, and a chocolate soda. Curious? Go to http://www.ingraham.ca/bob/fortbayard.html. There was a sobering precursor to My Lai Massacre of the Vietnam War during the Spanish American War. From *The First Casualty* by Phillip Knightly: "Wholesale and indiscriminate killing by American troops had depopulated large sections of the country. There were complaints that the troops had on one occasion been ordered to 'kill everything over ten years old' and that the Twentieth Kansas had swept through a town of 17,000 inhabitants leaving not one native alive." At the time, William Randolph Hearst's *New York Journal* editorialized: "The weak must go to the wall and stay there... We'll rule in Asia as we rule at home. We shall establish in Asia a branch agent of the true American movement towards liberty." Bob Ingraham |
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Bravo! for that piece Bob, This behaviour was consistent around the globe, South Africa, Australia, Tasmania I believe I recently read where the US was the first country to ever use chemical weapons when US soldiers handed beef to the starving Indians that was infected purposefully with cholera. | Stretching the point somewhat, and not very much if you happen to be a | native American, the U.S. Army engaged in "foreign wars" when it set about | exterminating several Indian tribes on land that the Indians "owned" in the | sense they had always had full freedom of movement upon it, notwithstanding | the ongoing conflicts between various Indian tribes. | | In signing treaties with Indians, the American government certainly appeared | to acknowledge the existence of aboriginal nations. But of course, most of | the treaties were resulted from shameful pretense, and the Indians were | doomed from the start, despite Custer's Last Stand. (I visited the site of | the Battle of the Little Bighorn a few years ago. It's an incredibly moving | place. It's not too hard to imagine yourself there on that sunny morning, | with death a near certainty for the U.S. troopers. Small markers point out | the exact spots where many individual Indians and soldiers died. Altogether | it's a quiet, beautiful, and eerie place.) | | I recently watched a documentary about the last of the Indian resistance and | was reminded that it seemed very much like a preview of the Second World War | when the Germans were exterminating Jews in Eastern Europe. There's not much | difference between Lidice, where Germans destroyed an entire Czech | community, and the "Battle" of Wounded Knee, where Americans virtually | murdered hundreds of natives, most of them women and children who were ill | and trying to seek aid from the soldiers. |
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"Rodney" wrote in message ... snipped I believe I recently read where the US was the first country to ever use chemical weapons when US soldiers handed beef to the starving Indians that was infected purposefully with cholera. If I may correct, cholera infected meat would be biological weapon, not chemical. If the Indians cooked the meat (as they were prone to do) the Cholera bacteria would have been destroyed and no problem. Whoever came up with that story, didn't do any research. It would not have been effective. Another correction, Mongols catapulted dead bodies over walls of towns they were beseiging. These were their own Mongol troops that died of the plague. This was purposeful to create fear and panic in the towns, but wether they realized the potential for spreading the disease is not provable. Biological weapons (even if inadvertant) probably goes back even further in history. Chemical weapons are of ancient origin as well with the ancient Greeks and Romans using an incindiary substance known as "Greek Fire". Only nuclear weapons are the modern one of the "weapons of mass destruction" tirad. Dave --- was advanced trained in Chemical/Biological/Nuclear Warfare defence by the Navy and amature student of ancient history |
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| If I may correct, cholera infected meat would be biological weapon, not
| chemical. .....whatever. I think you get the drift. |
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I love this country, America, because we allow people to say what they feel
even to the point of putting a hateful spin on the truth. If anyone needs some examples as to why we love and respect the United States there is no better place than with the long list of US commeratives starting with the Colombian Issue of 1893. One must truly live in an alternative reality not to find something in there to like. -a "Rodney" wrote in message ... Bravo! for that piece Bob, This behaviour was consistent around the globe, South Africa, Australia, Tasmania I believe I recently read where the US was the first country to ever use chemical weapons when US soldiers handed beef to the starving Indians that was infected purposefully with cholera. | Stretching the point somewhat, and not very much if you happen to be a | native American, the U.S. Army engaged in "foreign wars" when it set about | exterminating several Indian tribes on land that the Indians "owned" in the | sense they had always had full freedom of movement upon it, notwithstanding | the ongoing conflicts between various Indian tribes. | | In signing treaties with Indians, the American government certainly appeared | to acknowledge the existence of aboriginal nations. But of course, most of | the treaties were resulted from shameful pretense, and the Indians were | doomed from the start, despite Custer's Last Stand. (I visited the site of | the Battle of the Little Bighorn a few years ago. It's an incredibly moving | place. It's not too hard to imagine yourself there on that sunny morning, | with death a near certainty for the U.S. troopers. Small markers point out | the exact spots where many individual Indians and soldiers died. Altogether | it's a quiet, beautiful, and eerie place.) | | I recently watched a documentary about the last of the Indian resistance and | was reminded that it seemed very much like a preview of the Second World War | when the Germans were exterminating Jews in Eastern Europe. There's not much | difference between Lidice, where Germans destroyed an entire Czech | community, and the "Battle" of Wounded Knee, where Americans virtually | murdered hundreds of natives, most of them women and children who were ill | and trying to seek aid from the soldiers. |
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"Bob Ingraham" wrote in message
... Stretching the point somewhat, and not very much if you happen to be a native American, the U.S. Army engaged in "foreign wars" when it set about exterminating several Indian tribes on land that the Indians "owned" in the sense they had always had full freedom of movement upon it, notwithstanding the ongoing conflicts between various Indian tribes. snip I recently watched a documentary about the last of the Indian resistance and was reminded that it seemed very much like a preview of the Second World War when the Germans were exterminating Jews in Eastern Europe. snip Bob Ingraham Indian tribes owned nothing, for the simple reason that they didn't recognize the individual rights, i.e. the right to life and liberty (and the resulting one, to property) not only for the non-Indians, but also for themselves, as individuals. Their history, like any tribal one, is a history of continuous and bloody struggles ones against others, the total submission of the members of the tribes to the community (represented by their chiefs), extreme cruelty and the exploitation of women. For these reasons they had no rights. Their armed conflicts with the European colonists and their descendants (who have attained the point of recognizing and implementing the inviolability of fundamental individual rights later -- but this isn't relevant in this context) cannot be judged just by taking into consideration Native Americans tragic fate. Should the Native Americans be militarily more powerful, they had exterminated the colonists (and scalped most of them, alive, what they haven't hesitated to make when they were given the opportunity). "Stretching the point somewhat, and not very much if you happen to be a native American" can mean that the truth of falsity of some of basic ideas depend on the ethnicity of the persons who hold them, which is a rather racist idea. There is *no* parallel between the Native Americans, and the Jews from Central and Eastern Europe who were exterminated by the Nazi Germany. In a certain sense, one can make a parallel between the Native Americans of the distant past and the Nazi Germany, the philosophy of both being based on different variants of the same socialist line of thinking. Victor Manta PS. My considerations are mainly based on the Declaration of Independence: "... We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness...." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philatelic Webmasters Organization: http://pwmo.org Art on Stamps: http://values.ch Romania Shown by Its Stamps: http://marci-postale.com Communism on Stamps: http://www.values.ch/Communism/ Spanish Africa: http://www.values.ch/sna-site/ Remove "um" from the e-mail address to reply --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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To go back to the alleged use of poisoned meat. I too find that
difficult to swallow ( if you will forgive the pun ). While I would agree that the treatment of native Americans was less than perfect I would doubt that even at that time,when humanitarian issues such as the abolition of slavery was on the agenda of every civilized nation - even if not achieved by many, the public at large would not have tolerated any officially authorised incident of such barbarity without at least some quite highly placed heads rolling. I think we should all understand that many people who promulgate such statements do so with a particular political axe to grind and while no doubt not Lying, present the truth in such a way that the reader or listener draws the conclusion intended. You only have to look at the "news" printed by the organs of a certain Australian press magnate to know what I am talking about - and this is true of all parts of the political spectrum. In questions like this there is never black or white-only shades of gray. The other thing which I think we all should beware of is judging the actions of the 19th century in terms of 21st century morality, rather than in terms of the mores of the time - certainly when it comes to the personality of individuals. To give an example one of my heroes Baden-Powell the founder of the scout movement. Judged by todays standards a colonialist upholder of priviledge judged to be somewhere to the right of Attila the Hun !! Contrast this to how he was viewed by the establishment of the time - a dangerous liberal with definite shock horror SOCIALIST tendencies ( though he did not see himself in those terms ). And give working class boys some pride and hope that things could be different and allow them to mix socially with their betters! That won't do at all- where are the next generation of downtrodden servants going to come from? I am an amateur student of history and sensationalising of events in the interests of promoting a point of view is not something I can agree with although all societies try to sanitise the darker Parts of their history Please note that all this is not to suggest that the original statement is untrue but that it is unlikely to be as simple as the statement portrays (in my opinion quite deliberately at sometime between the original statement being made in 18 whenever it was and being posted on these pages no doubt in good faith) I also think in fairness to the US that at the present time such comments are unhelpful in view of the uncertainties and soul-searching going on in respect of the involvement in Iraq , and some people are going to try to draw parallels between then and now - where there is absolutely no correlation between the two situations- but some people are going to be drawing conclusions such as "nothing has changed". This is not good either in terms of accuracy or in terms of trying to stop the average US citizen developing a siege mentality,leading inevitably to the US withdrawing from world affairs and hence damaging the rest of us. In case you want to accuse me of sycophancy to all things American for the record I was against the Iraq episode from the beginning. End of soapbox Malcolm "Victor Manta" wrote in message ... "Bob Ingraham" wrote in message ... Stretching the point somewhat, and not very much if you happen to be a native American, the U.S. Army engaged in "foreign wars" when it set about exterminating several Indian tribes on land that the Indians "owned" in the sense they had always had full freedom of movement upon it, notwithstanding the ongoing conflicts between various Indian tribes. snip I recently watched a documentary about the last of the Indian resistance and was reminded that it seemed very much like a preview of the Second World War when the Germans were exterminating Jews in Eastern Europe. snip Bob Ingraham Indian tribes owned nothing, for the simple reason that they didn't recognize the individual rights, i.e. the right to life and liberty (and the resulting one, to property) not only for the non-Indians, but also for themselves, as individuals. Their history, like any tribal one, is a history of continuous and bloody struggles ones against others, the total submission of the members of the tribes to the community (represented by their chiefs), extreme cruelty and the exploitation of women. For these reasons they had no rights. Their armed conflicts with the European colonists and their descendants (who have attained the point of recognizing and implementing the inviolability of fundamental individual rights later -- but this isn't relevant in this context) cannot be judged just by taking into consideration Native Americans tragic fate. Should the Native Americans be militarily more powerful, they had exterminated the colonists (and scalped most of them, alive, what they haven't hesitated to make when they were given the opportunity). "Stretching the point somewhat, and not very much if you happen to be a native American" can mean that the truth of falsity of some of basic ideas depend on the ethnicity of the persons who hold them, which is a rather racist idea. There is *no* parallel between the Native Americans, and the Jews from Central and Eastern Europe who were exterminated by the Nazi Germany. In a certain sense, one can make a parallel between the Native Americans of the distant past and the Nazi Germany, the philosophy of both being based on different variants of the same socialist line of thinking. Victor Manta PS. My considerations are mainly based on the Declaration of Independence: "... We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness...." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philatelic Webmasters Organization: http://pwmo.org Art on Stamps: http://values.ch Romania Shown by Its Stamps: http://marci-postale.com Communism on Stamps: http://www.values.ch/Communism/ Spanish Africa: http://www.values.ch/sna-site/ Remove "um" from the e-mail address to reply --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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