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Old September 21st 05, 04:00 PM
DCP23
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http://cjoint.com/?jvrd1QgqRX

This is a British Guiana stamp with an overprint "Marine Detatchment", which
neither Scott nor Stanley Gibbons know nothing about.

Please help.


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Old September 21st 05, 04:42 PM
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In a recent message "DCP23" wrote:

http://cjoint.com/?jvrd1QgqRX

This is a British Guiana stamp with an overprint "Marine Detatchment", which
neither Scott nor Stanley Gibbons know nothing about.


I presume you mean neither know anything...

I suspect it is a private overprint used in the manner of perfins.

Is it gummed?

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Old September 21st 05, 05:24 PM
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DCP23 wrote:
http://cjoint.com/?jvrd1QgqRX

This is a British Guiana stamp with an overprint "Marine Detatchment", which
neither Scott nor Stanley Gibbons know nothing about.

Please help.


Googling on "marine detachment" "british guiana" (including the quotes)
finds a "presumably" explanation at
http://www.dave.studd.btinternet.co....anamarine.html and several other
hits (some of them broken) which provide further information and say
that these stamps were prepared but not issued.

Chris

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Old September 21st 05, 05:29 PM
Blair (TC)
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Greetings DCP23:

British Guiana 1938-1952 - Marine Detachment Overprint

In the fall of 1940 Britain and the United States
completed negotiations which culminated in one
of the most extraordinary military deals in history.

Britain, holding numerous Caribbean possessions,
desperately needed additional convoy vessels to
protect her vital Atlantic supply line against
submarine depredations; the U.S., possessor
of numerous overage destroyers, wished to
strengthen defense of the eastern approaches
to the mainland and the Panama Canal.

As a result of this situation, on 2 September 1940
the U.S. agreed to swap 50 of these destroyers
in return for 99-year leases on certain base sites
in various strategically placed British possessions:
the Bahamas, Jamaica, Antigua, Saint Lucia,
Trinidad, and British Guiana.

Presumably the idea for these originated from this
agreement.

In the Bulletins (#68, #69) of the BWI Study Circle,
W.A.Townsend wrote that they were considered
BOGUS as they were onlty seen in MINT condition.
The Commonwealth (SG?) Catalogue agreed that
they were BOGUS. (1971)

There are seven values known. The 3c (yours) and
12c are overprinted in BLACK. The 1c, 2c, 6c, 36c,
and $1 are overprinted in RED.

http://www.dave.studd.btinternet.co.uk/guiana6c.jpg
http://www.dave.studd.btinternet.co.uk/guiana36c.jpg
http://www.dave.studd.btinternet.co.uk/guiana$1.jpg

Finally, there is an article on this stamp issue in
Sixth Sense (KGVI Study Group) issue #16 (page 8).

A copy of that issue is available for 2 Pounds +
Postage from: http://www.murraypayne.com/

(I am not connecte4d to the latter in any way.)

I trust that this information is of assistance to you.

Blair

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Old September 21st 05, 05:29 PM
Blair (TC)
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Greetings DCP23:

British Guiana 1938-1952 - Marine Detachment Overprint

In the fall of 1940 Britain and the United States
completed negotiations which culminated in one
of the most extraordinary military deals in history.

Britain, holding numerous Caribbean possessions,
desperately needed additional convoy vessels to
protect her vital Atlantic supply line against
submarine depredations; the U.S., possessor
of numerous overage destroyers, wished to
strengthen defense of the eastern approaches
to the mainland and the Panama Canal.

As a result of this situation, on 2 September 1940
the U.S. agreed to swap 50 of these destroyers
in return for 99-year leases on certain base sites
in various strategically placed British possessions:
the Bahamas, Jamaica, Antigua, Saint Lucia,
Trinidad, and British Guiana.

Presumably the idea for these originated from this
agreement.

In the Bulletins (#68, #69) of the BWI Study Circle,
W.A.Townsend wrote that they were considered
BOGUS as they were onlty seen in MINT condition.
The Commonwealth (SG?) Catalogue agreed that
they were BOGUS. (1971)

There are seven values known. The 3c (yours) and
12c are overprinted in BLACK. The 1c, 2c, 6c, 36c,
and $1 are overprinted in RED.

http://www.dave.studd.btinternet.co.uk/guiana6c.jpg
http://www.dave.studd.btinternet.co.uk/guiana36c.jpg
http://www.dave.studd.btinternet.co.uk/guiana$1.jpg

Finally, there is an article on this stamp issue in
Sixth Sense (KGVI Study Group) issue #16 (page 8).

A copy of that issue is available for 2 Pounds +
Postage from: http://www.murraypayne.com/

(I am not connected to the latter in any way.)

I trust that this information is of assistance to you.

Blair

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Old September 21st 05, 05:30 PM
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You are right, that's what I mean

Yes, it is gummed and never hinged too. In fact, it's actually a block of 4.
And there are also some other values from that set overprinted exactly like
that.
The overprint appears rather nicely done, not at all like it's someone's
joke or something.

"Tony Clayton" wrote in message
...
In a recent message "DCP23" wrote:

http://cjoint.com/?jvrd1QgqRX

This is a British Guiana stamp with an overprint "Marine Detatchment",

which
neither Scott nor Stanley Gibbons know nothing about.


I presume you mean neither know anything...

I suspect it is a private overprint used in the manner of perfins.

Is it gummed?

--
Tony Clayton
Coins of the UK :
http://www.coinsoftheuk.info
Sent using RISCOS on an Acorn Strong Arm RiscPC
... A seminar on Time Travel will be held two weeks ago



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Old September 21st 05, 05:32 PM
DCP23
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Wow! That certainly is VERY helpful. Fast, too.
Thanks a lot!!!

"Blair (TC)" wrote in message
oups.com...
Greetings DCP23:

British Guiana 1938-1952 - Marine Detachment Overprint

In the fall of 1940 Britain and the United States
completed negotiations which culminated in one
of the most extraordinary military deals in history.

Britain, holding numerous Caribbean possessions,
desperately needed additional convoy vessels to
protect her vital Atlantic supply line against
submarine depredations; the U.S., possessor
of numerous overage destroyers, wished to
strengthen defense of the eastern approaches
to the mainland and the Panama Canal.

As a result of this situation, on 2 September 1940
the U.S. agreed to swap 50 of these destroyers
in return for 99-year leases on certain base sites
in various strategically placed British possessions:
the Bahamas, Jamaica, Antigua, Saint Lucia,
Trinidad, and British Guiana.

Presumably the idea for these originated from this
agreement.

In the Bulletins (#68, #69) of the BWI Study Circle,
W.A.Townsend wrote that they were considered
BOGUS as they were onlty seen in MINT condition.
The Commonwealth (SG?) Catalogue agreed that
they were BOGUS. (1971)

There are seven values known. The 3c (yours) and
12c are overprinted in BLACK. The 1c, 2c, 6c, 36c,
and $1 are overprinted in RED.

http://www.dave.studd.btinternet.co.uk/guiana6c.jpg
http://www.dave.studd.btinternet.co.uk/guiana36c.jpg
http://www.dave.studd.btinternet.co.uk/guiana$1.jpg

Finally, there is an article on this stamp issue in
Sixth Sense (KGVI Study Group) issue #16 (page 8).

A copy of that issue is available for 2 Pounds +
Postage from: http://www.murraypayne.com/

(I am not connecte4d to the latter in any way.)

I trust that this information is of assistance to you.

Blair



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Old September 21st 05, 05:33 PM
DCP23
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Thank you!

wrote in message
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DCP23 wrote:
http://cjoint.com/?jvrd1QgqRX

This is a British Guiana stamp with an overprint "Marine Detatchment",

which
neither Scott nor Stanley Gibbons know nothing about.

Please help.


Googling on "marine detachment" "british guiana" (including the quotes)
finds a "presumably" explanation at
http://www.dave.studd.btinternet.co....anamarine.html and several other
hits (some of them broken) which provide further information and say
that these stamps were prepared but not issued.

Chris



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Old September 21st 05, 06:20 PM
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Blair (TC) wrote:

Greetings DCP23:

British Guiana 1938-1952 - Marine Detachment Overprint


In the Bulletins (#68, #69) of the BWI Study Circle,
W.A.Townsend wrote that they were considered
BOGUS as they were onlty seen in MINT condition.
The Commonwealth (SG?) Catalogue agreed that
they were BOGUS. (1971)


The fact that "Detachment" is misspelled "Detatchment" lends weight to
the theory that the overprint is bogus!

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Old September 22nd 05, 12:35 AM
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Once Upon A Time John Ray wrote:

The fact that "Detachment" is misspelled "Detatchment" lends weight to
the theory that the overprint is bogus!


You're questioning the spelling skills of Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C.?

WHAT KIND OF AMERICAN ARE *YOU*?!!


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