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"Salty" wrote in message ... Tony Cooper wrote: On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:19:26 +0100, "Roberto Pirezzi" wrote: "Salty" wrote in message ... Roberto Pirezzi wrote: I'm done here. We've know that for while. When did you find out? Regards Salty So, you're another moron who supports cheats! And here was me thinking you were pretty intelligent too! I'm proud to admit I was wrong!! Now, carry on, as you were. You insignificant little blister on the sole of humanity. (that got lost in translation, I meant, you're the **** on someones shoe). Bottom line, I will not entertain ****ing jackass losers who support cheats and frauds. Way I see it, you're a crook. So, say what you want. You're a crock. l2oberto PS, you shouldnt take things seriously. I don't! OK, Salty, let's try to guess about this one. Fourteen? An older school-leaver? Resident of a home for the "exceptional"? The prototype for the saying "Thick as two planks"? Oh, I think that he is just a nice chap who is having a bad day. Make that a year. Hmmm. Make that a life. Regards Salty Actually, this is one of my better lives! The other was not so good, I used to be an iceburg. Suffered major headaches for years. Like I said, don't take non-topical statements I make seriously or personally, and we'll be fine. The world is losing it's edge on the humour front. :-) l2oberto |
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"Salty" wrote in message ... Roberto Pirezzi wrote: "Salty" wrote in message ... Roberto Pirezzi wrote: I'm done here. We've know that for while. When did you find out? Regards Salty So, you're another moron who supports cheats! Well, I am a long way from a moron (exactly how far away are you?) Not as far away as you! I don't support cheats. I just have a realistic approach to life and realise that they exist in every aspect of humanity and there is little I can do about that other than be wary. Errrr...if you are disagreeing with me (as per prior statement) then you MUST support cheats. How can you defend the actions of "postage price padding" when I made it crystal clear it is a tactic I abhor! If you're disagreeing with me, then you are agreeing with the "PPP's" and it's defenders and supporters. I am well aware they exist, and I acknowledge you are also aware. Big difference between being aware and saying it is fine for them to do it! You can nit pick my replies all you like, but one thing you will find is a consistancy on that specific topic that I refuse to be budged from. I find no justification whatsoever for padding postage prices. I don't even use eBay anymore, but i'll be damned if I want to see fees rise again to compensate the trend of padding postage on next to nothing bid values. It would mean any bargains I may choose to seek out at a later date are more expensive. Supporting it, doesn't mean it is right! even if by some strange notion, it is a personal opinion that it is acceptable. IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE! The only defence to the subject has always been "selfish greed" for the desire of the product. Nobody seems to care about the false economy it creates and ****-poor accountancy. Why not just make every product FREE and charge us for "service". Isn't that what pro-postage padding really means? I just cannot accept the suggestion this activity has any real benefits in either short, or long term. If people want to do it, so be it, but don't start saying i'm wrong for saying it is not an acceptable practice! l2oberto |
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Roberto Pirezzi wrote:
Salty So, you're another moron who supports cheats! Well, I am a long way from a moron (exactly how far away are you?) Not as far away as you! Will someone PLEASE stop making those whoosh bird mating calls? I don't support cheats. I just have a realistic approach to life and realise that they exist in every aspect of humanity and there is little I can do about that other than be wary. Errrr...if you are disagreeing with me (as per prior statement) then you MUST support cheats. Hmmmm. I think that I should add delusional to your ever increasing list of character traits. How about keeping it simple. I disagree with you because I find you disagreeable. Regards Salty |
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"Salty" wrote in message ... Roberto Pirezzi wrote: Salty So, you're another moron who supports cheats! Well, I am a long way from a moron (exactly how far away are you?) Not as far away as you! Will someone PLEASE stop making those whoosh bird mating calls? I don't support cheats. I just have a realistic approach to life and realise that they exist in every aspect of humanity and there is little I can do about that other than be wary. Errrr...if you are disagreeing with me (as per prior statement) then you MUST support cheats. Hmmmm. I think that I should add delusional to your ever increasing list of character traits. How about keeping it simple. I disagree with you because I find you disagreeable. Regards Salty I see you are still very childish. Disagree all you like. Doesn't change the fact I am right! That's all that actually counts. l2oberto |
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"Padraic Brown" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:11:44 +0100, "Roberto Pirezzi" wrote: "Padraic Brown" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:06:55 +0100, "Roberto Pirezzi" wrote: "Tony Cooper" wrote in message m... On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:13:02 +0100, "Roberto Pirezzi" wrote: However, it's often the case that you are buying an item that is unique or offered by only one seller and priced at £1 value and £19 shipping. In that case, you have to either decide to reward shady ethics or do without the item. It's quite possible many would do without the item, on the basis, uniqueness and general rareness generally has a certain expectation of "willing to pay more". Paying £1 suggests the item may not be up to decent standards. You are not paying £1; you are paying £20. The cost out-of-pocket is what you are paying. The allocation of the item figure and the shipping figure doesn't affect the buyer. *sigh* The item is priced at £1. It's ridiculous low price suggests it is below acceptable standard. Not at all. It is a fairly widespread practice to start an auction at such a low amount in hopes of attracting attention. Such a high postage cost, however, will tend to counteract that attractant. So, as Tony said, the price _isn't_ £1 at all, but the £20 total. You (and Tony) are mis-understanding me. I'm not concerned with starting bid, I am referring to final bid, which is, in this example £1. It is common for seasoned buyers to avoid these auctions, on the simple basis, it just doesn't look or feel right. I dare say, if I had ever made such purchases, I would be more out of pocket than the few quid I have currently lost since the late 90's! As I'm sure you're aware, the final bid is not really the bottom line! If you're not taking into account the cost of postage -- whether it's 47p or £19 -- then you really don't have a grasp on the actual price and therefore value of the item. The cost of postage is determined by it's reasonable factor, and is usually comparable with other sources. If it is not comparable with other sources, then it is not an item I'd bid on anyway. I dont bid without choice. Postage is IRRELEVANT to the value of an item. An item is worth x regardless what Y is. Adding 3, 4 or 5 times the cost of actual postage onto it, doesn't raise it's value (economically speaking, the reverse ends up being true, but you play your cards, I'll play mine). At the end of the day, if people like you feel sky high postal prices are acceptable, then so be it. I strongly disagree, Fine. And once again, it's not a question of "sky high postal prices" but a matter of "total auction price". If I can get a £20 note for £1 plus £19 postage, then I come out ahead (cos I don't have to pay the exchange rate). That is the most ******** dumb stupid thing i've ever read. You would pay £20 for a £20 note and think you've come out ahead? How would you pay for it? Trust me when I say this, NOBODY would WANT to buy a £20 note for £20. and I will continue to strongly disagree until people "GET IT". Defending a rip-off is unacceptable. No one is defending "rip-offs". Yes you are. You are promoting the fact sellers can charge premium rates for their postage, as long as the item is under priced. That equals rip-off. People do not want to be paying actual value of items through postage! They (and by they, I am talking people with some degree of common sense) want a bargain. Why pay £1 + £19 when you can pay £10 + £3? Professional businesses cannot show profit on an item that is sold at a loss (or minimal profit is shown). True, but all retailers know what a "loss leader" is. It's a low prices something that attracts people to the store where, hopefully, they will buy much more than they actually need. That's all the £1 start bid is -- it's a loss leader offered in the hopes that continually higher bids will be placed. Not really, a loss leader is always sold at a loss, it isn't sold on the assumption it will somehow make a profit. The term "loss leader" simply means to lose on one to gain overall. Such a gain cannot exist within the context of loss leading, when the gain is on the loss. As I understand it, such a practice is impossible to account for. Tony already answered this one. Incorrectly, or at least, with very little retail business knowledge. It's basic auction psychology. If something is _worth_ £10 and the opening bid is £9, chances are the first bidder will get it for £9 because the next bid will push the price over the top. No room for bidding wars. On the other hand, if the opening bid is 10p, then there's lots of room for wild and crazy bidding! There's a better chance of selling the item for £11 or £12 that way. We're not talking about auction psychology. If we were, then we'd both be holding apples, and not one of us with a orange. Well, if the bid is £1 (even with £20 postage) then this is exactly what we're dealing with. Depending on the item of course! If it's only worth a pound, then no one's going to bid at all. i.e Psychology is true in the following instance: A) 1p start bid, postal cost £1 B) £5 start bid, postal cost £1 A final bid = £7.40 + £1 B final bid = £5 + £1 A attracts attention, B doesn't. Depends on the item. If the item is worth £50 and you start it at £5, then it's all the same. NO that is where you obviously lose money on auctions. If a item is WORTH £50, you do NOT bid £50 for it, or at least you attempt to bid much LESS than £50! - ideally, you'd be looking for a maximum of £30 to bid, that's why sniping exists! Otherwise, it would be easier buying in a shop at full price. We're not talking about starting bids, we are talking about final bids, and the sky high postal costs. Once again, if the item is worth the £20, then all's well! If an item is worth £20, and the total you MUST pay is a minimum of £20, all is far from well. All is pretty much doom! I'll make you a deal to end this nonsense. You continue to buy items at full value, and I'll buy them as cheap as possible. Agreed? Income from postage profit is a seperate income, and probabaly comes under service income... Not for Ebay auctions. Actually, Yes. Actually, no. The seller has several costs of doing business: stock plus packing and postage plus Ebay fees. The buyer pays for all of that and writes one cheque. The seller's income comes from sales made, regardless of what he charges for postage. If he can get away with charging more for postage than someone else, then bully for him! The sellers income is made up of Sale + postage, which should be accounted seperatley, and I have not come across any business who doesn't seperate their incomes, to make expenses easier to calculate. i.e some sellers build their costs into the item price (accounted for through auditing of value of item in principle) others add it to postage costs, of which, costs come out of that specific income. (or else you end up with expenses for the same thing coming from 2 incomes). play.com do not charge for postage on any of their products, therefore the cost is built into the price, or it is written off as a loss. amazon.co.uk DO charge postage on standard terms, which becomes a secondary income with direct (and indirect) expenses. Where super saver FREE delivery exists, this becomes a direct expense to the primary income. As the postal methods differ, so do the expense values. It took Amazon a long time to actually turn a profit. Just so you know. They make up some of these expenses by padding out the contents of packaging with external advertising materials. It is not cut and dried. Think paypal, and the little section for Postage Charge. I have no use for Paypal and have never used it. If a seller won't take a money order or cash, then he won't get my bid. What exactly does that have to do with the previous point? "It is wet in the sea". I live on dry land. It's the same as paying 1p for litre of Diesel, and being charged by an attendant 94.9p a litre to fill it. Customer cannot be given an accurate invoice. (for example, some people can claim VAT and other taxes back). VAT on 1p? lol It's really not as cut and dry as overall price. There are probably laws in Britain against charging such a high service price. In the end, it all evens out: the customer pays 96p for that litre regardless of the "stated price" of 1p/l. A new example, as that one doesnt seem to have got the point across. The point is that the total price paid by the customer is 96p -- it does not matter what goes into that price! It matters a lot to some industries who can claim 80% of the duty paid on fuel!!! Cigarettes may cost £5 a pack. On a carton of 200 cigarettes, something like £32 (could be more, not checked recently) is Excise Duty. As the £32 is not an applicable duty on "service" charges, a retailer cannot sell cigarettes for 1p and charge for the duty as a "service". And where duty rebates are an option, it is impossible to claim them back, if you havn't paid for them in the first place. What's an "excise duty"? Is it a tax? Is it part of the £5 per pack price? That's what, about £3.20 tax per pack? He can charge 1p for the pack if he wants -- it'll get people into his shop for sure!, as £3.21 beats £5 any day. He cannot sell them for 1p, as he cannot buy them that cheap! There is very little profit on cigarettes (at retail level). If he charges £3.21, he is making a loss. It _all_ comes down to the final price, and whether that final price is a good deal or not. Also, it might be hard to justify paying £20 for something that has no real value outside of personal desire. A great deal of what I spend is for things that have no real value outside of personal desire. My cable internet bill, for example. Can you justify paying for your cable bill? I rather think he just did: it's a matter of personal desire. He wants to watch Coronation Street reruns, so he pays the cable bill. If he wants a "£1" item off ebay that will cost him £19 to mail, then he'd have to consider whether he desires a £20 item or not! Or perhaps answering the question would help :-) Already answered, friend! Cable tv is not a necessity. He says that it's a "personal desire". He has weighed the options and has decided that the price of the service is equal to the entertainment received. Purchase justified. i.e, a justification for paying for the internet is whether it forms an essential part of your daily life. i.e, online shopping, staying in easy contact with overseas relatives, school work etc. Online shopping and staying in "easy" contact with overseas relations is not essential either. The previous generation got on quite well with neithe. They had the Sears and Roebuck Catalog and knew how to address an envelope. I never said it was essential. But if you are justifying something, a reason generally comes into the equation. How can a justification be "because I said so"? The easiest way to lose a debate, is to fail on demonstrating points with reference examples. It really is as cut and dry as overall price -- for the consumer. We don't care what the raw materials cost, shipping charges of same, labour to make a finished product, or any of the various taxes and fees involved (nor indeed the human cost (sweatshops and the like)). We look at the price sticker on the item and make a decision whether to buy or not based on that number. If it has to be mailed to me, then the price of postage simply gets added on to that price sticker. If the total price is OK, then we buy it; if it's too high, we leave it be. Padraic If anyone is daft enough to pay £19 to have a £1 CD mailed then good luck, that's all I can say. Personally, I'd rather pay £21 from a seller who has ethics. Of course! Why would anyone pay £20 for an item worth only £1!? Like I said, you have to look at the _total_ price of the item and determine if it's worthwhile! Ethics are really beside the point here. Ethics matter far more than price. Would you buy a car from a car dealer who you know is a crook who fiddles with the odometer, even if the price is appealing? What determines true worth? Let's say a CD is worth £10, and the average selling price over the past 6 months is £12. Would you rather pay £8 or £16? Why, then, is the average price greater than it's worth? l2oberto Padraic -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:02:35 +0100, "Roberto Pirezzi"
wrote: You're still on about this!? Suit yourself. You lost out long ago. Give it up already! Padraic -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Roberto Pirezzi wrote:
"Salty" wrote in message ... Roberto Pirezzi wrote: Salty So, you're another moron who supports cheats! Well, I am a long way from a moron (exactly how far away are you?) Not as far away as you! Will someone PLEASE stop making those whoosh bird mating calls? I don't support cheats. I just have a realistic approach to life and realise that they exist in every aspect of humanity and there is little I can do about that other than be wary. Errrr...if you are disagreeing with me (as per prior statement) then you MUST support cheats. Hmmmm. I think that I should add delusional to your ever increasing list of character traits. How about keeping it simple. I disagree with you because I find you disagreeable. Regards Salty I see you are still very childish. Yes, my inner child is thriving. Somehow you manage to bring it out - something about you takes me back to schoolyard days. Regards Salty |
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"Padraic Brown" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:02:35 +0100, "Roberto Pirezzi" wrote: You're still on about this!? Suit yourself. You lost out long ago. Give it up already! Padraic Makes no difference. I buy bargains, therefore I win. l2oberto -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"Salty" wrote in message ... Roberto Pirezzi wrote: "Salty" wrote in message ... Roberto Pirezzi wrote: Salty So, you're another moron who supports cheats! Well, I am a long way from a moron (exactly how far away are you?) Not as far away as you! Will someone PLEASE stop making those whoosh bird mating calls? I don't support cheats. I just have a realistic approach to life and realise that they exist in every aspect of humanity and there is little I can do about that other than be wary. Errrr...if you are disagreeing with me (as per prior statement) then you MUST support cheats. Hmmmm. I think that I should add delusional to your ever increasing list of character traits. How about keeping it simple. I disagree with you because I find you disagreeable. Regards Salty I see you are still very childish. Yes, my inner child is thriving. Somehow you manage to bring it out - something about you takes me back to schoolyard days. Regards Salty Yes, I can tell! Seems you were very stupid as a child :-) Nothing changes!!! l2oberto |
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[Default] "Kim" went like:
Hi. My name is Kim and I was a powerseller on eBay. My account was canceled for no apparent reason give, then an eBay representative wrote to me and instructed me to fax certain documentation in then my account would be reinstated. I did so but my account was not reinstated. Now I have no income and it is due to eBay's unfair policies and business practices. They cancel your account and don't even explain why --- meanwhile I have lost, no doubt just like many others and owe Fed Ex fees, DHL fees which are due at the end of the month--of which I could have paid had my bids and account not been canceled. They, eBay gave no reason why but just exerted their "No ask..no tell why your account is being suspended". You might want to share your story at http://www.cheatedbyebay.com You are not alone. Ombudsman Superiour -- Are you a business person cheated by Ebay? Want to do something about it? Visit http://www.cheatedbyebay.com |
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