Ronald Reagan's pens

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 11:06:28 -0400, Fred wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:26:47 GMT, Earl Camembert
wrote:

Now that you mention it, he could be using a Crayola Crayon ! ;-)

Yes it is a crayon, they don't trust him with sharp objects.

Can we talk about pens? If you want to display your political
brilliance, there are plenty of other groups on the server.

You do understand this is USNET. I am being on my absolute best
behavior. You should stop in on some of the other groups I frequent.
Of course there is the kill-file. But no one kill-files Earl. They
don't want to miss one of Earl's pearls.

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:21:04 GMT, Earl Camembert
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 05:56:14 GMT, Ron Wilbanks
wrote:

During an interview last night with a former White House staff member
during the Reagan Administration, he mentioned that Ronald always had a
lot of pens on hand that he was fond of. Some of them were gifts from
foreign dignitaries and friends from all over the world.

I am curious, what kinds of pens did he mostly use and what kind of
fountain pen did he sign important bills and documents with? I think
somebody once commented on here that he did an advertisement for a pen
company in the 1940s?

Interestingly, I see that President Bush never uses a fountain pen,
preferring a rollerball or a ballpoint?

Ronald Reagan pen
http://www.hailtothechiefs.com/RRpen.jpg
Bill Clinton pen
http://www.hailtothechiefs.com/pen_19a.jpg
Nixon pen
http://www.hailtothechiefs.com/Nixon...20in%20Box.JPG
Bush the elder
http://www.hailtothechiefs.com/BUSHPEN.jpg
Bush the lesser
http://www.hailtothechiefs.com/GWBPensBox.jpg

When the Japanese signed the surrender aboard the Battle Ship Missouri
General MacAarthur use his own personal pen. An Orange Parker Duofold,
it was twenty years old at the time. Parker fairly recently made a
Limited Edition copy of 1945 unites. Get it one thousand nine hundred
and forty five.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/i...01/ac04627.jpg
Notice the General does not take his eye off his pen.
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/i...00/g332701.jpg
now that is class. I still have not gotten that pen in my collection.

"1945 - Parker pens are used to sign the agreement that surrenders the
German and Italian forces in Northwest Italy.

General Dwight D. Eisenhower uses his Parker 51 to sign the Armistice
that ends World War II on the European front, and aboard the USS
Missouri in Tokyo Bay, General Douglas MacArthur uses his own
20-year-old Parker Duofold to sign the surrender document that ends
World War II in the Pacific."

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:06:36 -0400, Fred wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:31:35 GMT, Earl Camembert
wrote:

Can we talk about pens? If you want to display your political
brilliance, there are plenty of other groups on the server.

You do understand this is USNET {sic}.

You do understand this is alt.collecting.pens-pencils?

I am being on my absolute best behavior.

My condolences to your family. But look to the bright side, perhaps
your medical policy covers psychiatric services.

[...]
Of course there is the kill-file. But no one kill-files Earl. They
don't want to miss one of Earl's pearls.

Allow me to be the first. *Plonk.*

Plonk what a man. Now I can talk abut him and he will never know. I
can see why he is upset. Must be about Ike using a Parker 51 to make
his kind sign the papers. For a people that love war they don't win
very many. I pithy the people from over ther, they are not only
jealous of US but a little bit afraid. May be a lot afraid. I guess I
would be also. I live in the US and I'm afraid of US. I just changed
my mind about MB 149 and 146 pens. All MB are no good, not much form
there is any good. Any body want four 149 and two 146s? Don't say
twenty five dollars.

"Fred" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:26:47 GMT, Earl Camembert
wrote:

Now that you mention it, he could be using a Crayola Crayon ! ;-)

Yes it is a crayon, they don't trust him with sharp objects.

Can we talk about pens? If you want to display your political
brilliance, there are plenty of other groups on the server.


We have become so intolerant in some areas; that bit of sarcasm doesn't seem
so outrageous. I can think of several threads that went way OT without such
serious criticism.

One of the Diretors at Parker once told me that Reagan was the first and
only president who had ever specifically asked for a ball point: They always
used to supply fountain pens for these ceremonies.

OTOH I suppose they ALL use ball points nowadays as giveaways? Which is even
odder if you think about it as a FP giveaway is so much classier than the 2c
ball points I have seen used this way. Those ball points ALWAYS look cheap
and nasty? (or in the case of the Cross, they are so small that they look
totally inconsequential when taken out of their presentation box)

I suppose the vaguely inexpensive fountain pens which are actively marketed
are mostly made by Pilot these days?

Licensed to Quill

"James Goodwin" wrote in message
om...
Ron Wilbanks wrote in message
.com...
During an interview last night with a former White House staff member
during the Reagan Administration, he mentioned that Ronald always had a
lot of pens on hand that he was fond of. Some of them were gifts from
foreign dignitaries and friends from all over the world.

I am curious, what kinds of pens did he mostly use and what kind of
fountain pen did he sign important bills and documents with? I think
somebody once commented on here that he did an advertisement for a pen
company in the 1940s?

Interestingly, I see that President Bush never uses a fountain pen,
preferring a rollerball or a ballpoint?


I had the same thought as you did. FYI, look at website Parker75 and
you will get some information about Parker pens he used. The 1987 INF
treaty was signed with specially made Parker Keepsake sterling silver
pens in wooden boxes with both leaders names engraved on the side of
the cap. I am curious as to where the pen with Gorbachev's name is
located. (Both Reagan and Gorbachev exchanged pens after signing the
treaty when Gorbachev initiated the request and Reagan graciously
reciprocated.) Is it in the Reagan Museum or is it in his personal
effects at his Bel Air home? It would be nice if Gorbachev donated
his Reagan pen to the Reagan Library where both pens could reside in
perpetual display in their boxes alongside each other below the
explanation of this event.

FYI, the Parker Pen company was the preferred supplier of pens to the
White House which were used for bill signers and gifts to foreign
dignataries and friends. I presume that Reagan had every opportunity
to sample the company's products and did take advantage of the
opportunity as I am sure thatt he pen he used in the office was a
Parker product. I do not know what kind he used or preferred to use -
fountain pens, roller balls or ball points.

I checked website for Reagan library to see if they had a collection
of the pens he used in his duties or even as gifts from world leaders.
Much to my disappointment, there is no mention of such in the
website. The only way to get an answer is to have one of the
penlovers in the California area pay a visit to the Reagan library to
see if such a colleciton exists in the display or even in the storage
areas and report to the rest of us on his or her findings.

In another related search of Richard Nixon who was a lover of Parker
pens, I was not able to find out if his pen collection survived intact
to be displayed in the museum. I recall from memory that someone who
owns a restaurant in Whittier has a glass display of the pens Richard
Nixon used in the White House and the pens may range from the mundane
to the exotic as Nixon sampled a lot of the Parker products that came
his way through the White House. Parker used to be the preferred
supplier of pens to the White House until they closed shop in
Janesville, Wisconsin and moved to Newhaven, England. Now Cross has
replaced Parker as the preferred pen supplier as they manufacture pens
in Rhode Island.

So, we do need confirmation of this from local penlovers in California
who would be willing to check things out and report back to us on this
newsgroup.

To answer the question about Bush, he uses Cross rollerball pens as
bill signers or daily writers. They are blue with his name printed
along the cap. Guess he prefers the ease and cleaniless of a
rollerball as to a fountain pen which requires maintance to keep it
clog free.

James K. Goodwin

Earl Camembert writes:

Plonk what a man. Now I can talk abut him and he will never know. I
can see why he is upset. Must be about Ike using a Parker 51 to make
his kind sign the papers. For a people that love war they don't win
very many. I pithy the people from over ther, they are not only
jealous of US but a little bit afraid. May be a lot afraid. I guess
I would be also. I live in the US and I'm afraid of US. I just
changed my mind about MB 149 and 146 pens. All MB are no good, not
much form there is any good. Any body want four 149 and two 146s?
Don't say twenty five dollars.

You're rather strange, there, Royalty of Cheeses. Your opinions have
much in common with Sheldon, although your writing style is more
coherent.

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:00:29 -0500, Tim McNamara
wrote:

Earl Camembert writes:

Plonk what a man. Now I can talk abut him and he will never know. I
can see why he is upset. Must be about Ike using a Parker 51 to make
his kind sign the papers. For a people that love war they don't win
very many. I pithy the people from over ther, they are not only
jealous of US but a little bit afraid. May be a lot afraid. I guess
I would be also. I live in the US and I'm afraid of US. I just
changed my mind about MB 149 and 146 pens. All MB are no good, not
much form there is any good. Any body want four 149 and two 146s?
Don't say twenty five dollars.

You're rather strange, there, Royalty of Cheeses. Your opinions have
much in common with Sheldon, although your writing style is more
coherent.

Would you believe I am on my ABSOLUTE best behavior in this group?
Lord give me strength.

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 05:56:14 GMT, Ron Wilbanks
wrote:

Interestingly, I see that President Bush never uses a fountain pen,
preferring a rollerball or a ballpoint?

But I like the way that he's replaced the Great Seal
with a potato(e) print.

Read this, for the gipper

http://1st.4t.com/gipper.htm

Check our John Loring's presidential pens site
http://www.loringpage.com/attpensetc...tialpage1.html

Interesting aspect of pen collecting.

If anyone interestred I have LBJ bill signer for sale. The sweet
eversharp felt tip with the white house seal embossed, LBJ's sig in a
special presidential seal box. NOS bill signers that were given framed
with the bills to the functionaries who helped formulate the bill. From
the estate of a Johnson confidant.

Backchannel for details

Have a bit of genuine Americana history in your hand and pen collection.

Dov



"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 05:56:14 GMT, Ron Wilbanks
wrote:

Interestingly, I see that President Bush never uses a fountain pen,
preferring a rollerball or a ballpoint?

But I like the way that he's replaced the Great Seal
with a potato(e) print.