Vintage book Ex Libris Collecting Book-Plates 1892 FA

On Fri, 19 May 2006 16:51:06 +0100, "Matti Lamprhey"
wrote:

"Shelf Space" wrote...

[...] in the UK sellers have never been
responsible for items lost in the mail. All they have to do is
prove they have posted it. The item is then sent at the buyer's
risk and as such it is therefore encumbent upon the buyer to
chose the style of postage he or she would prefer. [...]

That's completely wrong. The carrier is the agent of the seller, and
the seller is liable to the customer in the case of non-delivery or
damage. If you insist on your false interpretation of UK law, perhaps
you'd be good enough to let us know your eBay moniker so we can all
steer very clear of you.

Matti


It's bona_fide_bidder_uk or something to that effect. He's been NARU'd
at least a couple of times for his questionable practices.


Cheers,

John

"Matti Lamprhey" wrote in message
...
"Shelf Space" wrote...

[...] in the UK sellers have never been
responsible for items lost in the mail. All they have to do is
prove they have posted it. The item is then sent at the buyer's
risk and as such it is therefore encumbent upon the buyer to
chose the style of postage he or she would prefer. [...]

That's completely wrong. The carrier is the agent of the seller, and
the seller is liable to the customer in the case of non-delivery or
damage. If you insist on your false interpretation of UK law, perhaps
you'd be good enough to let us know your eBay moniker so we can all
steer very clear of you.

Matti

It really doesn't matter; in this case, eBay's TOS covers it and
can't be over-ridden (since the seller agreed to it).

Here's another example: in the UK, it's legal for sellers to pass
along credit card fees to the buyers. But, eBay/PayPal does
not allow that, and it's in the TOS no matter what country you'
are registered in/shipping from.

Kris

John The Straw-Clutcher Pelan wrote:

On 19 May 2006 07:46:15 -0700, "Shelf Space"
wrote:


John Pelan wrote:
On 19 May 2006 07:21:22 -0700, "Shelf Space"
wrote:


Kris Baker wrote:
"JaneyP" wrote in message
ups.com...
English Book Plates An Illustrated Handbook for Students of Ex-Libris
by Egerton Castle 1892 This book is itself ex'library and has several
small library cancels scattered throughout.otherwise a good solid
copy.250 pages.
Fantastic vintage reference for the collector with masses of lovely
engravings throughout.Really thorough reference book on early book
plates.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=8421885965

"We always obtain proofs of postage but cannot be held
accountable for uninsured items lost in the mail."

Oh YES you can. Anyone who pays you and doesn't receive
their item (OR receives it damaged due to poor packing) can
file with PayPal. You'll lose. Go find eBay's policy and learn
how you cannot override *their* policies. You've already agreed
not to, when you agreed to their terms as a seller.

It'd also be nice if you'd *describe* your books, using the
appropriate bookselling terms. Or start with *a* description
and work into it.

Kris
Damned Google Groups spammers

That may be the law in the USA but in the UK sellers have never been
responsible for items lost in the mail. All they have to do is prove
they have posted it. The item is then sent at the buyer's risk and as
such it is therefore encumbent upon the buyer to chose the style of
postage he or she would prefer.

I am aware that Ebay and ABE require American sellers to reimburse
customers for items that do not arrive, but I personally view that as
very harsh.

If the customer is responsible for chosing the postal method, and he or
she choses an unreliable, uninsured and untracked service, then
customer should bear the loss of any non-arrival.


As usual, you are wrong.

John

No one is interested in the opinion of an Ebay fraudster. Begone with
you.


Ah yes, 100% positive feedback over nearly a decade is "a fraudster"?
Barkerville's a funny sort of place then, isn't it?

Weren't you kicked off of eBay for trying to defraud a gentleman that
sold you a clock because you were too stupid to figure out how to wind
it?

Nope. He lied about the fact that it kept bad time and by way of trying
to wriggle out of it, he then exaggerated another issue. All that
happened was that we complained about each other.

Weren't you chastised by ABE for fraudulent listings?


Yes and no. I was asked by ABE to remove *one* listing because it was a
hoax book. It hoaxed your weird friend Jessica Amanda Salmonson, and
you were both so angry at being hoaxed, you fired off very angry emails
to ABE in complaint. In response, they dropped me a courteous note to
say that although everybody could see it was a joke listing, please
could I remove it? (Which I did.)

When I left ABE after five years, during which time I received no other
complaints, ABE sent me an email which I still have thanking me for
'exemplary service'. As you didn't last five minutes on ABE, I think
that tends to suggest that my knowledge of ABE is significantly more
qualified than your own.

As my friend Ramsey phrases it: JCWW

Cheers,

John

Yes, he was never that skilled at communication, was he?

Matti Lamprhey wrote:

"Shelf Space" wrote...

[...] in the UK sellers have never been
responsible for items lost in the mail. All they have to do is
prove they have posted it. The item is then sent at the buyer's
risk and as such it is therefore encumbent upon the buyer to
chose the style of postage he or she would prefer. [...]

That's completely wrong. The carrier is the agent of the seller, and
the seller is liable to the customer in the case of non-delivery or
damage. If you insist on your false interpretation of UK law, perhaps
you'd be good enough to let us know your eBay moniker so we can all
steer very clear of you.

Matti

I think you'll find that Ebay sellers also require protection from
fraudulent bidders. Only a fool would send a very valuable book through
the post untracked and uninsured. If the winning bidder asks for that
option instead of insisting on tracked, recordable post, then alarm
bells should go off.

Ebay spans the globe but I think you'll find that the various national
laws within any given country over-ride the conditions Ebay may seek to
impose.

The bottom line here is that it is wrong to send a valuable book
through the post without being able to prove posting and then delivery.

John Pelan wrote:

On Fri, 19 May 2006 16:51:06 +0100, "Matti Lamprhey"
wrote:

"Shelf Space" wrote...

[...] in the UK sellers have never been
responsible for items lost in the mail. All they have to do is
prove they have posted it. The item is then sent at the buyer's
risk and as such it is therefore encumbent upon the buyer to
chose the style of postage he or she would prefer. [...]

That's completely wrong. The carrier is the agent of the seller, and
the seller is liable to the customer in the case of non-delivery or
damage. If you insist on your false interpretation of UK law, perhaps
you'd be good enough to let us know your eBay moniker so we can all
steer very clear of you.

Matti


It's bona_fide_bidder_uk or something to that effect. He's been NARU'd
at least a couple of times for his questionable practices.


Cheers,

John

That's simply not true.

On 19 May 2006 11:10:39 -0700, "Shelf Space"
wrote:

John The Straw-Clutcher Pelan wrote:

On 19 May 2006 07:46:15 -0700, "Shelf Space"
wrote:


John Pelan wrote:
On 19 May 2006 07:21:22 -0700, "Shelf Space"
wrote:


Kris Baker wrote:
"JaneyP" wrote in message
ups.com...
English Book Plates An Illustrated Handbook for Students of Ex-Libris
by Egerton Castle 1892 This book is itself ex'library and has several
small library cancels scattered throughout.otherwise a good solid
copy.250 pages.
Fantastic vintage reference for the collector with masses of lovely
engravings throughout.Really thorough reference book on early book
plates.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=8421885965

"We always obtain proofs of postage but cannot be held
accountable for uninsured items lost in the mail."

Oh YES you can. Anyone who pays you and doesn't receive
their item (OR receives it damaged due to poor packing) can
file with PayPal. You'll lose. Go find eBay's policy and learn
how you cannot override *their* policies. You've already agreed
not to, when you agreed to their terms as a seller.

It'd also be nice if you'd *describe* your books, using the
appropriate bookselling terms. Or start with *a* description
and work into it.

Kris
Damned Google Groups spammers

That may be the law in the USA but in the UK sellers have never been
responsible for items lost in the mail. All they have to do is prove
they have posted it. The item is then sent at the buyer's risk and as
such it is therefore encumbent upon the buyer to chose the style of
postage he or she would prefer.

I am aware that Ebay and ABE require American sellers to reimburse
customers for items that do not arrive, but I personally view that as
very harsh.

If the customer is responsible for chosing the postal method, and he or
she choses an unreliable, uninsured and untracked service, then
customer should bear the loss of any non-arrival.


As usual, you are wrong.

John

No one is interested in the opinion of an Ebay fraudster. Begone with
you.


Ah yes, 100% positive feedback over nearly a decade is "a fraudster"?
Barkerville's a funny sort of place then, isn't it?

I see you have nothing more to say on this matter. How does your
shoe-leather taste?


Weren't you kicked off of eBay for trying to defraud a gentleman that
sold you a clock because you were too stupid to figure out how to wind
it?

Nope. He lied about the fact that it kept bad time and by way of trying
to wriggle out of it, he then exaggerated another issue. All that
happened was that we complained about each other.

Weren't you chastised by ABE for fraudulent listings?


Yes and no. I was asked by ABE to remove *one* listing because it was a
hoax book. It hoaxed your weird friend Jessica Amanda Salmonson, and
you were both so angry at being hoaxed, you fired off very angry emails
to ABE in complaint. In response, they dropped me a courteous note to
say that although everybody could see it was a joke listing, please
could I remove it? (Which I did.)

No, I never communicated to ABE about you.

When I left ABE after five years, during which time I received no other
complaints, ABE sent me an email which I still have thanking me for
'exemplary service'. As you didn't last five minutes on ABE, I think
that tends to suggest that my knowledge of ABE is significantly more
qualified than your own.

Funny little man, Books from the Darkside was on ABE for over two
years. Considering the sort of high-end material I generally deal in,
it makes much more sense to sell through eBay.

As my friend Ramsey phrases it: JCWW

Cheers,

John

Yes, he was never that skilled at communication, was he?

Coming from you the irony of this statement is a matter of hilarity.

Run along now, we've no time for noisy toads here.


Cheers,

John

Matti Lamprhey wrote:

"Shelf Space" wrote...

[...] in the UK sellers have never been
responsible for items lost in the mail. All they have to do is
prove they have posted it. The item is then sent at the buyer's
risk and as such it is therefore encumbent upon the buyer to
chose the style of postage he or she would prefer. [...]

That's completely wrong. The carrier is the agent of the seller, and
the seller is liable to the customer in the case of non-delivery or
damage. If you insist on your false interpretation of UK law, perhaps
you'd be good enough to let us know your eBay moniker so we can all
steer very clear of you.

Matti

I don't know what planet you live on, but as originally stated, I
follow the accepted UK protocols when it comes to postage issues, along
with hundreds of other professional booksellers.

If you think this is a 'false interpretation of UK law' then I suggest
you cough up some case law evidence.

In the meantime, I would like to ask you for your Ebay moniker, so I
know to block any of your bids lest you are planning some fraudulent
coup, and also to direct you to the terms and conditions as laid down
by this UK seller (who just happens to be a solicitor):

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=7025579 678

Shelf Space

"Shelf Space" wrote in message
oups.com...
Matti Lamprhey wrote:

"Shelf Space" wrote...

[...] in the UK sellers have never been
responsible for items lost in the mail. All they have to do is
prove they have posted it. The item is then sent at the buyer's
risk and as such it is therefore encumbent upon the buyer to
chose the style of postage he or she would prefer. [...]

That's completely wrong. The carrier is the agent of the seller, and
the seller is liable to the customer in the case of non-delivery or
damage. If you insist on your false interpretation of UK law, perhaps
you'd be good enough to let us know your eBay moniker so we can all
steer very clear of you.

Matti

I don't know what planet you live on, but as originally stated, I
follow the accepted UK protocols when it comes to postage issues, along
with hundreds of other professional booksellers.

If you think this is a 'false interpretation of UK law' then I suggest
you cough up some case law evidence.

quote

OFT

Distance selling regulations - contract performance

You must deliver goods or provide services within 30 days, beginning
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
with the day after the consumer sent an order, unless you agree otherwise
with the consumer.

/quote

http://tinyurl.com/amhqj

for-

http://www.oft.gov.uk/Business/Legal...erformance.htm


The above applies to all traders - as opposed to private sellers.

....


In the meantime, I would like to ask you for your Ebay
moniker, so I know to block any of your bids lest you are
planning some fraudulent coup, and also to direct you to
the terms and conditions as laid down
by this UK seller (who just happens to be a solicitor):


Who, by the looks of things is as clueless, and as big a fantasist
as you are.

You don't seem to do too well at the hands of bogus solicitors,
do you eh Barker ?

Oh and by BTW Barker, are the Benefits Agency aware of your
professional bookselling activities ?




michael adams

....





http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=7025579 678

Shelf Space

On 22 May 2006 01:49:54 -0700, "Shelf Space"
wrote:

Matti Lamprhey wrote:

"Shelf Space" wrote...

[...] in the UK sellers have never been
responsible for items lost in the mail. All they have to do is
prove they have posted it. The item is then sent at the buyer's
risk and as such it is therefore encumbent upon the buyer to
chose the style of postage he or she would prefer. [...]

That's completely wrong. The carrier is the agent of the seller, and
the seller is liable to the customer in the case of non-delivery or
damage. If you insist on your false interpretation of UK law, perhaps
you'd be good enough to let us know your eBay moniker so we can all
steer very clear of you.

Matti

I don't know what planet you live on, but as originally stated, I
follow the accepted UK protocols when it comes to postage issues, along
with hundreds of other professional booksellers.

If you think this is a 'false interpretation of UK law' then I suggest
you cough up some case law evidence.

In the meantime, I would like to ask you for your Ebay moniker, so I
know to block any of your bids lest you are planning some fraudulent
coup, and also to direct you to the terms and conditions as laid down
by this UK seller (who just happens to be a solicitor):

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=7025579 678

Shelf Space


Mooncalf.

Good day,

John

michael adams wrote:



Who, by the looks of things is as clueless, and as big a fantasist
as you are.

You don't seem to do too well at the hands of bogus solicitors,
do you eh Barker ?


(Sigh)

Why's that, Mickey-love?

Oh and by BTW Barker, are the Benefits Agency aware of your
professional bookselling activities ?




Oh dear. The only people who seem to believe that I am unemployed are
you and John Pelan, which makes you curious bedfellows.

When are you going to announce the wedding?