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On 27 Jun 2005 16:20:45 -0700, "rst" wrote:
Americans are generally not bright. They like to see scoring. It's why they ruined baseball- by making the fields smaller, making the ball differently so it travels farther. Soccer is a beautiful game to most of the rest of the world. It's where scoring is still a special moment that is savored by the fans as well as the players. Americans don't get this. They have short attention spans. They actually want to see commercials as well- that way they can get up from the couch and get another bag of Cheetos and a big gulp Mountain Dew (which is an appetizer for dinner: two giant Dominos pizzas with everything on it and cheese stuffed into the crust-- and more Mountain Dew... and nachos). No one in the world tries to retool its sports more than the U.S. Because the owners are accountants and have no idea what sports are all about. It's why the NFL is now unwatchable, baseball is horrible, the NBA is barely a sport anymore, and hockey is a nightmare. All of these sports were once great. But they were ruined by greed. In the rest of the world soccer is left alone- because it is perfect. Soccer scoring is too infrequent. Basketball is a JOKE Football and Hockey are superior to both. -Rich |
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While recovering from a recent, uncomfortable transmembrification,
Pariah ) was heard to remark... On 27 Jun 2005 16:20:45 -0700, "rst" wrote: In the rest of the world soccer is left alone- because it is perfect. Perfectly lame. If any sport needs tweaking, it would be the sport where there's a very good chance the final score will be 0-0. You just responded to a blatant troll dissing Americans for their short attention spans and inability to appreciate beautiful sports... with a post expressing a short attention span and an inability to appreciate beautiful sports? Does USENET work differently in your neck of the woods, or is this some kind of grifting job? "Respond to the troll, my mate did it, it's easy". (F'ups set) -- "Dear me, what a strange place to put a walrus!" - Baron Greenback, /Danger Mouse/ http://donotuselifts.net/ |
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Despite being a PROUD CANADIAN, I would like to come to the defense of the
AMERICAN-bashing that has taken over the soccer-hockey-baseball-football debate. Putting Americans down and stereotyping them as "generally not bright" with "short attention spans" is not only insulting, but downright wrong. The problem with US sports, is not Americans, but CORPORATE AMERICA, that views sports simply as a money-making venture. Thanks, Don "RichA" wrote in message ... On 27 Jun 2005 16:20:45 -0700, "rst" wrote: Americans are generally not bright. They like to see scoring. It's why they ruined baseball- by making the fields smaller, making the ball differently so it travels farther. Soccer is a beautiful game to most of the rest of the world. It's where scoring is still a special moment that is savored by the fans as well as the players. Americans don't get this. They have short attention spans. They actually want to see commercials as well- that way they can get up from the couch and get another bag of Cheetos and a big gulp Mountain Dew (which is an appetizer for dinner: two giant Dominos pizzas with everything on it and cheese stuffed into the crust-- and more Mountain Dew... and nachos). No one in the world tries to retool its sports more than the U.S. Because the owners are accountants and have no idea what sports are all about. It's why the NFL is now unwatchable, baseball is horrible, the NBA is barely a sport anymore, and hockey is a nightmare. All of these sports were once great. But they were ruined by greed. In the rest of the world soccer is left alone- because it is perfect. Soccer scoring is too infrequent. Basketball is a JOKE Football and Hockey are superior to both. -Rich |
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So shall we rename this topic to "Popular in Corporate America!"?
So does that mean that the "Normal" Americans do everything that "Corporate" Americans tell them too? Is that not classed as then being "not very bright"? Alastair PS This is not necessarily my thinking, but just a loop-hole in your argument that I spotted :-) |
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I think that "Popular in corporate America" is defnitely the route that the
debate was taking. I would definitely agree that the corporate influence is much greater on everyday life in the US than in most other countries. In my opinion, that would classify them more as "brainwashed" than "not very bright"! After all, that would be indicating that Germans are "not very bright" for following Hitler! -- Thanks, Don "Alastair" wrote in message oups.com... So shall we rename this topic to "Popular in Corporate America!"? So does that mean that the "Normal" Americans do everything that "Corporate" Americans tell them too? Is that not classed as then being "not very bright"? Alastair PS This is not necessarily my thinking, but just a loop-hole in your argument that I spotted :-) |
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"Pete" wrote in message ... In article , Major ChrisB wrote: As a Brit who's not a big sports fan but will watch the occational "soccer" came I would like to comment on two of the US's favourite past times. Baseball: i have seen one baseball game live in my life. The Atlanta Braves vrs the Yankees at Yankee stadium. We got there at the top of the second with a 0-0 score. Two and half hours later it was about 4-2 to the Braves and only in the bottom of the 7th.....bored ****less we all left. the most exciting thing about the game was when the guys came out at half time to sweep the gravel on the diamond and did a little dance....oh yeah and our discussion about how Major League made baseball look so much more exciting. As a (mostly) Canadian who grew up in England, I think if you're going to diss baseball, you can't ignore cricket! (:-)) I was forced to *play* the bloody game at school. Talk about being bored out of one's mind... ['Course it didn't help that I was pretty hopeless at it.] Fortunately I soon escaped to the tennis set. (And Fives in the winter instead of equally unpleasant Rugby. Fives? .. Like handball, except that the ball is more like a teeny tiny baseball. Great game, though.] I've never heard if "fives" but I agree with you that Cricket is very boring. We dont play it in my neck of the woods, it's a very english thing to play - I'm in Scotland. As for Rugby, I'm not a fan but thats mostly coz again, in Scotland, it's not played at any major level. We have a good national squad but at local Club level it's all amature leagues....England and Wales are much more into their Rugby which is the original American Football (only the pussy yanks put in 150lbs of pads and changed to rules to avoid getting hurt) Football: or as we brits call it "American Football" (we call Soccer football - coz you actually use your feet a lot) Now I've never mustered the courage to go to a live game but from what I've seen on TV you get about 3 minutes of actuall play in about 4 hours....which is pretty ****. Agree totally on this one. Can't stand the game. [...] Soccer is hands down the better game, much more enjoyable and I'd say it equates to watching the season finale of 24 vrs watching the season finale of 7th heaven Agreed, but I like *playing* soccer even more! a 0-0 draw doesn't happen too often and it's all part of the game. The 'low-scoring' argument people make against soccer, I just don't get. Beaseball scores can be just as low [except for last night's 16-0 blowout by the A's over the Giants! (:-)]. And American Football scores are only high because so many points arrive in a lump. Basketball is almost the reverse because it's the *missed* baskets that are significant; otherwise each team seems to score almost every time they have the ball. Now I know there is strategy with both hockey and soccer but it just doesn't translate well to an American audience for some reason. Americans are are all slow and half-tards? Nah... it's almost entirely the 'Not_Invented-Here' thing. And the fact that the nets can't insert all those commercials easily. (But most kids play the game, so all hope is not lost.) Nothing was invented there. Everything (and i mean everything) in american culture was invented somewhere else. From the British and Irish (who populised the US) to the Spanish (who discovered the US) to the Africans (who were dragged to the US) there is nothing "american" about anything in "american" beyond what they've got from other races and *******ised to make it seem like an original idea. |
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"Don Estabrook" wrote in message ...
I think that "Popular in corporate America" is defnitely the route that the debate was taking. I would definitely agree that the corporate influence is much greater on everyday life in the US than in most other countries. In my opinion, that would classify them more as "brainwashed" than "not very bright"! After all, that would be indicating that Germans are "not very bright" for following Hitler! -- Thanks, Don "Alastair" wrote in message oups.com... So shall we rename this topic to "Popular in Corporate America!"? So does that mean that the "Normal" Americans do everything that "Corporate" Americans tell them too? Is that not classed as then being "not very bright"? Alastair PS This is not necessarily my thinking, but just a loop-hole in your argument that I spotted :-) Football (i'm a European and i don't like to use soccer as it's a game played with the feet mainly and Football is the name used worldwide) and Ice Hockey are as difficult to be popular in North America as Baseball and American Football are in Europe. TV Companies have tried hard to get the North American sports popular over here in Europe but it just doesn't work as the sports has no traditional roots here. Guess it's the same with Football and Ice Hockey (in USA), even though i know that many kids plays Football in North America. But it needs more than that the women wins the gold to do it and the men's team will never win a gold in World Cup. A 0-0 draw can actually be a great game (but many are boring too, but so can a 2-0 game be too). The best 0-0 game i know was in a World Cup Qualifier (Wembley Stadium, 65'628 spectators) between England and Sweden back in October 1988 when Swedish defender Glenn Hysén (later in Liverpool) truly owned that game. In the biggest Swedish newspaper, Aftonbladet, he is the only ever to receive a 6+ grade (the scale only reaches to 5+) in any sports (and we do have bigger legends in sports than Hysén). Not many Swedes reads this thread i guess, but if they do i am sure that they would agree with me. And no, i don't agree to that the other nationality is more stupid than the rest. It's not just that simple. +=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=- Jens Stigson, Styxon Hockeycards, http://www.styxon.tk/ BidVille, http://www.bidville.com/browse/?index=7&vt=0&uid=108512 eBay, http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/styxon/ Tradera, http://www.tradera.se/category/aucti...p?ftgnr=126464 +=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=- |
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Football (i'm a European and i don't like to use soccer as it's a game
played with the feet mainly If this is a real sore point, maybe we could all agree to call it "mainly-feetball" or "anything-but-armsball". I'll never figure out why anybody cares whether you call it football, futbol, soccer, or Howard. We all know what we're talking about here. -- kov |
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In message . com,
fruitbat writes AIUI, "soccer" was originally a British term anyway. That American football very rarely uses the foot on the ball is admittedly pretty silly, but sometimes it seems that it's merely the fact that the term "soccer" is still used here that irks the rest of the world, which in my opinion is ridiculous. In fact the term 'football' has nothing to do with using the foot on the ball, but was first used to distinguish games played with feet on the ground, as opposed to on horseback. 'Football' as played in the C17th involved moving the ball towards the other team's goal by any means possible, including carrying it. The term 'soccer' originated in Britain in the late C19th as a way of distinguishing As_soc_iation from rugby football. Really all these football fans should know this stuff by now. -- Simon |
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