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Question about appraisal resources - 1820s travel journal
Greetings! I inherited what I believe is a fair copy of a handwritten
travel journal written sometime in the 1820s. I suspect it's a fair copy because there isn't a single misspelling, smear, food stain, or anything else that would indicate that it was written while traveling. Of course, the author (C.R. Cotton is inscribed inside) may have been very careful while writing. If it is a fair copy, then it's possible that two different people contributed to it, because one part of the book appears to be in a distinctly different handwriting. The book has some illustrations, both prints that are glued inside cut-out pages and also what appear to be original watercolors, mostly of landscapes. The journal details two trips, one from Leeds, England to Scotland, and then to London starting in 1820; and the other from Scarborough to the Lakes in the Autumn of 1821. There are ledger-type entries showing how much distance was covered each day of travel, where they stayed, and also detailed the expensed incurred during the trips. I have photographed each page, and was thinking about setting up a website with the text and images from the journal. Does anybody think there would be any interest in this? It seems a shame not to share it. I'd probably have to round up a little help translating some of the currency descriptions. Also, can anybody recommend any resources who might be able to appraise this book? |
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Question about appraisal resources - 1820s travel journal
Greetings! I inherited what I believe is a fair copy of a handwritten travel journal written sometime in the 1820s. I suspect it's a fair copy because there isn't a single misspelling, smear, food stain, or anything else that would indicate that it was written while traveling. Of course, the author (C.R. Cotton is inscribed inside) may have been very careful while writing. If it is a fair copy, then it's possible that two different people contributed to it, because one part of the book appears to be in a distinctly different handwriting.
The book has some illustrations, both prints that are glued inside cut-out pages and also what appear to be original watercolors, mostly of landscapes. The journal details two trips, one from Leeds, England to Scotland, and then to London starting in 1820; and the other from Scarborough to the Lakes in the Autumn of 1821. There are ledger-type entries showing how much distance was covered each day of travel, where they stayed, and also detailed the expensed incurred during the trips. I have photographed each page, and was thinking about setting up a website with the text and images from the journal. Does anybody think there would be any interest in this? It seems a shame not to share it. I'd probably have to round up a little help translating some of the currency descriptions. Also, can anybody recommend any resources who might be able to appraise this book? All I can say is, sounds interesting. I'd browse your Web site, if you ever get around to scanning the pages. Since it's unpublished, it is probably still under copyright, and since you own the book, I guess you'd own the copyright. Maybe some legal mind can confirm this surmise? |
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Question about appraisal resources - 1820s travel journal
Dan Jones wrote:
Also, can anybody recommend any resources who might be able to appraise this book? Consult the list of booksellers at abaa.org (Antiquarian Booksellers Association of America), where you can find dealers who specialize in travel literature. --Jon Meyers (Helpful Advice Our Speciality--Available for Search Parties) |
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Question about appraisal resources - 1820s travel journal
Thanks, Al. I'll post a message with a URL when I get started.
Dan Al Smith wrote: Greetings! I inherited what I believe is a fair copy of a handwritten travel journal written sometime in the 1820s. I suspect it's a fair copy because there isn't a single misspelling, smear, food stain, or anything else that would indicate that it was written while traveling. Of course, the author (C.R. Cotton is inscribed inside) may have been very careful while writing. If it is a fair copy, then it's possible that two different people contributed to it, because one part of the book appears to be in a distinctly different handwriting. The book has some illustrations, both prints that are glued inside cut-out pages and also what appear to be original watercolors, mostly of landscapes. The journal details two trips, one from Leeds, England to Scotland, and then to London starting in 1820; and the other from Scarborough to the Lakes in the Autumn of 1821. There are ledger-type entries showing how much distance was covered each day of travel, where they stayed, and also detailed the expensed incurred during the trips. I have photographed each page, and was thinking about setting up a website with the text and images from the journal. Does anybody think there would be any interest in this? It seems a shame not to share it. I'd probably have to round up a little help translating some of the currency descriptions. Also, can anybody recommend any resources who might be able to appraise this book? All I can say is, sounds interesting. I'd browse your Web site, if you ever get around to scanning the pages. Since it's unpublished, it is probably still under copyright, and since you own the book, I guess you'd own the copyright. Maybe some legal mind can confirm this surmise? |
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Question about appraisal resources - 1820s travel journal
Thank you, Jon. I'll give that a try.
Dan Jon Meyers wrote: Consult the list of booksellers at abaa.org (Antiquarian Booksellers Association of America), where you can find dealers who specialize in travel literature. --Jon Meyers (Helpful Advice Our Speciality--Available for Search Parties) |
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Question about appraisal resources - 1820s travel journal
I inherited what I believe is a fair copy of a handwritten travel
journal written sometime in the 1820s. [...] The book has some illustrations, both prints that are glued inside cut-out pages and also what appear to be original watercolors, mostly of landscapes. The journal details two trips, one from Leeds, England to Scotland, and then to London starting in 1820; and the other from Scarborough to the Lakes in the Autumn of 1821. We sold a similar fair copy of a travel journal - no illustrations but an unusually interesting story - to the National Library of Scotland for 50 quid. (Acc.12461 in http://www.nls.uk/catalogues/online/...v_jan_2005.pdf ). Of course your journal will arouse a bit more interest if the traveller dropped in on Wordsworth. Since it's unpublished, it is probably still under copyright, and since you own the book, I guess you'd own the copyright. More like, since he inherited the book he probably inherited the rights at the same time. The two don't necessarily go together. ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 |
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Question about appraisal resources - 1820s travel journal
"Al Smith" wrote in message news .. Since it's unpublished, it is probably still under copyright, and since you own the book, I guess you'd own the copyright. Maybe some legal mind can confirm this surmise? In the U.K at least, Copyright on literary work originates on the date of creation, and expires 70 years after the death of the author. In this instance, this being assumed to be C.R.Cotton. Where the author is unknown it would expire either 70 years after the creation of the work, or as you suggest, 70 years after first publication. Quite how this is decided in particular instances I'm not certain. http://www.sussex.ac.uk/records/1-2-1.html michael adams .... |
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Question about appraisal resources - 1820s travel journal
Al Smith wrote:
Since it's unpublished, it is probably still under copyright, and since you own the book, I guess you'd own the copyright. Maybe some legal mind can confirm this surmise? Wrong on both counts: (1) In the U.S., copyright in unpublished works lasts only for the life of the author + 70 years, or 120 years from the date of creation for anonymous or pseudonymous works. In either case, a travel journal from the 1820s is clearly in the public domain. (2) Copyright does not inhere in a manuscript (or any work) but rather in the author and his estate or their transferees. The sale or other transfer of a manuscript does not transfer the copyright to the work unless such rights are passed explicitly. (Of course, for the work in question here there is no copyright--it is in the public domain.) William M. Klimon http://www.gateofbliss.com |
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Question about appraisal resources - 1820s travel journal
Since it's unpublished,
it is probably still under copyright, and since you own the book, I guess you'd own the copyright. Maybe some legal mind can confirm this surmise? Wrong on both counts: (1) In the U.S., copyright in unpublished works lasts only for the life of the author + 70 years, or 120 years from the date of creation for anonymous or pseudonymous works. In either case, a travel journal from the 1820s is clearly in the public domain. (2) Copyright does not inhere in a manuscript (or any work) but rather in the author and his estate or their transferees. The sale or other transfer of a manuscript does not transfer the copyright to the work unless such rights are passed explicitly. (Of course, for the work in question here there is no copyright--it is in the public domain.) The original poster was in the UK, where (2) holds but (1) does not. If it's unpublished it is NOT in the public domain. ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 |
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Question about appraisal resources - 1820s travel journal
"Jack Campin - bogus address" wrote in message ... Since it's unpublished, it is probably still under copyright, and since you own the book, I guess you'd own the copyright. Maybe some legal mind can confirm this surmise? Wrong on both counts: (1) In the U.S., copyright in unpublished works lasts only for the life of the author + 70 years, or 120 years from the date of creation for anonymous or pseudonymous works. In either case, a travel journal from the 1820s is clearly in the public domain. (2) Copyright does not inhere in a manuscript (or any work) but rather in the author and his estate or their transferees. The sale or other transfer of a manuscript does not transfer the copyright to the work unless such rights are passed explicitly. (Of course, for the work in question here there is no copyright--it is in the public domain.) The original poster was in the UK, Without evidence to the contrary , the OP's NNTP posting address of 69.207.38.57 would place him in Ithica, New York. While his use of Roadrunner which is based in Virginia US, would tend to support that hypothesis. michael adams Jack Campin: |
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