WARNING - Avoid Edmonton Stamp Show=Avoid Thefts!!

On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 21:41:22 -0500, Ed Jackson wrote:
In article ,
"KATO" wrote:

Time to issue repost/warning, to save people from being more victims!

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:04:35 -0700, Ernst Zundholz
wrote:

With APS and BNAPS both documenting significant THEFTS from those attending
the Edmonton Stamp Show, a WARNING to all is just good advice.

Those who take it will benefit by not having their material stolen.

If those who go, get their material stolen, then that is their choice.

From all the reports, it most definitely looks like an inside job, as they
say.

With other criminal investigations ongoing against several executives there,
by various Canadian and other law agencies, who knows what will be the next
bad news report from there?


It is NOT a troll, when one warns potential victims of being victims of
THEFT at Edmonton Stamp Show!!

For several years, APS and similar philatelic organisations such as BNAPS
have
had to report on thefts from those attending.

In all cases, there seem to be indications, of an INSIDE JOB!!


At the risk of encouraging this unfortunate two-year thread to continue,
please provide specific evidence about the existence of documentation
proving that "significant THEFTS from those attending the Edmonton Stamp
Show."

You have repeatedly stated publicly--and to the world via this
newsgroup--that there has been wholesale theft at the show in the past
and that it will happen again. Is this an allegation that someone will
steal stamps from collectors attending the show? Or, does this mean that
dealers will steal from collectors attending the show? Or, does it mean
that show organizers will steal from collectors attending the show? Or,
is this a claim that show organizers will steal from dealers at the
show? Or, is this a claim that dealers will steal from each other at the
show? Or, are you warning that collectors will be stealing from dealers
at the show? Or, are you alleging that that show security is so lax that
someone will attempt to steal from dealers' stock after the show closes
each afternoon? Or, is theft taking place in the hotel rooms of dealers
and collectors attending the show?

According to all the reports in APS, BNAPS, newspapers in Edmonton, and the
Edmonton Police - check their file #03-39095 report of theft of material of
attending Dealer Donald Kaye, for example, it seems that someone connected
with the show MUST be directly involved with all the thefts from dealers
participating at the so-called show!!

Security at the show is apparently non-existent, based on the recurring thefts
year after year.

To salvage any credibility for your charges, please share specific
evidence that "significant THEFTS" have taken place in the past and will
likely take place again at the Edmonton Stamp Show. In the U.S. federal
courts have defined libel and slander as not only intentional untruthful
charges that harm another person or organization but also "reckless
regard of truth." I suspect that Canada statutory and case law with
regard to libel and slander have something similar. This means that if
anyone is going to make harmful allegations against another person or
organization--whether intentional or not--they better be prepared to
document those allegations in the event harm occurs to the other person
or organization. So, specifically, what personal knowledge do you have
that causes you to repeatedly warn the world that wholesale theft has
taken place and will take place again at the Edmonton Stamp Show? Who
stole from whom, how much was involved, and how widespread and frequent
was the theft you allege? And, why do you think that theft (if it
happened) will occur again? Finally, what is the basis for your personal
anger against the Edmonton Stamp Show, and why do you want it to fail?

Ed Jackson

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On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:15:15 -0600, Paul wrote:

His basis for the personal anger is that he was banned from any show
hosted by the Edmonton Stamp Club. He repeatedly asked dealers for their
business license and other financial information.

WHAT AN ABOSLUTE CROCK OF B.S.!
The poster was never banned from the so-called show, which is open to all
members of the public.
He in fact has not attended for more than 10 years, since nothing worth
seeing, or buying there.
As for him asking for licence, what a load of horse-balls!!

LKooks like you also wish to discourage people from going to this execrable
show, and thereby avoid having any material they take, getting stolen by the
crooks there!!


Ed Jackson wrote:
In article ,
"KATO" wrote:


Time to issue repost/warning, to save people from being more victims!

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:04:35 -0700, Ernst Zundholz
wrote:


With APS and BNAPS both documenting significant THEFTS from those attending
the Edmonton Stamp Show, a WARNING to all is just good advice.

Those who take it will benefit by not having their material stolen.

If those who go, get their material stolen, then that is their choice.

From all the reports, it most definitely looks like an inside job, as they

say.

With other criminal investigations ongoing against several executives there,
by various Canadian and other law agencies, who knows what will be the next
bad news report from there?


It is NOT a troll, when one warns potential victims of being victims of
THEFT
at Edmonton Stamp Show!!

For several years, APS and similar philatelic organisations such as BNAPS
have
had to report on thefts from those attending.

In all cases, there seem to be indications, of an INSIDE JOB!!


At the risk of encouraging this unfortunate two-year thread to continue,
please provide specific evidence about the existence of documentation
proving that "significant THEFTS from those attending the Edmonton Stamp
Show."

You have repeatedly stated publicly--and to the world via this
newsgroup--that there has been wholesale theft at the show in the past
and that it will happen again. Is this an allegation that someone will
steal stamps from collectors attending the show? Or, does this mean that
dealers will steal from collectors attending the show? Or, does it mean
that show organizers will steal from collectors attending the show? Or,
is this a claim that show organizers will steal from dealers at the
show? Or, is this a claim that dealers will steal from each other at the
show? Or, are you warning that collectors will be stealing from dealers
at the show? Or, are you alleging that that show security is so lax that
someone will attempt to steal from dealers' stock after the show closes
each afternoon? Or, is theft taking place in the hotel rooms of dealers
and collectors attending the show?

To salvage any credibility for your charges, please share specific
evidence that "significant THEFTS" have taken place in the past and will
likely take place again at the Edmonton Stamp Show. In the U.S. federal
courts have defined libel and slander as not only intentional untruthful
charges that harm another person or organization but also "reckless
regard of truth." I suspect that Canada statutory and case law with
regard to libel and slander have something similar. This means that if
anyone is going to make harmful allegations against another person or
organization--whether intentional or not--they better be prepared to
document those allegations in the event harm occurs to the other person
or organization. So, specifically, what personal knowledge do you have
that causes you to repeatedly warn the world that wholesale theft has
taken place and will take place again at the Edmonton Stamp Show? Who
stole from whom, how much was involved, and how widespread and frequent
was the theft you allege? And, why do you think that theft (if it
happened) will occur again? Finally, what is the basis for your personal
anger against the Edmonton Stamp Show, and why do you want it to fail?

Ed Jackson

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On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:10:34 -0700, Ariadne wrote:
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:15:15 -0600, Paul wrote:

His basis for the personal anger is that he was banned from any show
hosted by the Edmonton Stamp Club. He repeatedly asked dealers for their
business license and other financial information.

WHAT AN ABOSLUTE CROCK OF B.S.!
The poster was never banned from the so-called show, which is open to all
members of the public.
He in fact has not attended for more than 10 years, since nothing worth
seeing, or buying there.
As for him asking for licence, what a load of horse-balls!!

The intensity of your reaction says it all.

LKooks like you also wish to discourage people from going to this execrable
show, and thereby avoid having any material they take, getting stolen by the
crooks there!!

You know, it's funny. Far as anyone knows, you could actually be doing
some sort of reverse-psychology thing and be _promoting_ the Edmonton
stamp shows. You know, kind of a "Well, that nutball on usenet doesn't
like it, so it must be good" kind of effect. Intentional or not, I'd
like to suggest that that may be the effect of your rants.

Just so you know.

On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:07:51 -0700, Ariadne
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 21:41:22 -0500, Ed Jackson wrote:
In article ,
"KATO" wrote:

Time to issue repost/warning, to save people from being more victims!

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:04:35 -0700, Ernst Zundholz
wrote:

With APS and BNAPS both documenting significant THEFTS from those attending
the Edmonton Stamp Show, a WARNING to all is just good advice.

Those who take it will benefit by not having their material stolen.

If those who go, get their material stolen, then that is their choice.

From all the reports, it most definitely looks like an inside job, as they
say.

With other criminal investigations ongoing against several executives there,
by various Canadian and other law agencies, who knows what will be the next
bad news report from there?


It is NOT a troll, when one warns potential victims of being victims of
THEFT at Edmonton Stamp Show!!

For several years, APS and similar philatelic organisations such as BNAPS
have
had to report on thefts from those attending.

In all cases, there seem to be indications, of an INSIDE JOB!!


At the risk of encouraging this unfortunate two-year thread to continue,
please provide specific evidence about the existence of documentation
proving that "significant THEFTS from those attending the Edmonton Stamp
Show."

You have repeatedly stated publicly--and to the world via this
newsgroup--that there has been wholesale theft at the show in the past
and that it will happen again. Is this an allegation that someone will
steal stamps from collectors attending the show? Or, does this mean that
dealers will steal from collectors attending the show? Or, does it mean
that show organizers will steal from collectors attending the show? Or,
is this a claim that show organizers will steal from dealers at the
show? Or, is this a claim that dealers will steal from each other at the
show? Or, are you warning that collectors will be stealing from dealers
at the show? Or, are you alleging that that show security is so lax that
someone will attempt to steal from dealers' stock after the show closes
each afternoon? Or, is theft taking place in the hotel rooms of dealers
and collectors attending the show?

According to all the reports in APS, BNAPS, newspapers in Edmonton, and the
Edmonton Police - check their file #03-39095 report of theft of material of
attending Dealer Donald Kaye, for example, it seems that someone connected
with the show MUST be directly involved with all the thefts from dealers
participating at the so-called show!!

Security at the show is apparently non-existent, based on the recurring thefts
year after year.

Provide this information or please step down from your podium.

=======================
Tracy Barber
-----------------------
adirondack-pc
-----------------------
"Freebie Stamp Project"
=======================

Just read all the published info, details already provided, or contact
directly some of the dealer victims!!!

Thanks for keeping the pot boiling.

I am sure that Donald Kaye, a victim, will bless you.


On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 22:12:07 GMT, wrote:
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:07:51 -0700, Ariadne
wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 21:41:22 -0500, Ed Jackson wrote:
In article ,
"KATO" wrote:

Time to issue repost/warning, to save people from being more victims!

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:04:35 -0700, Ernst Zundholz
wrote:

With APS and BNAPS both documenting significant THEFTS from those attending
the Edmonton Stamp Show, a WARNING to all is just good advice.

Those who take it will benefit by not having their material stolen.

If those who go, get their material stolen, then that is their choice.

From all the reports, it most definitely looks like an inside job, as they
say.

With other criminal investigations ongoing against several executives there,
by various Canadian and other law agencies, who knows what will be the next
bad news report from there?


It is NOT a troll, when one warns potential victims of being victims of
THEFT at Edmonton Stamp Show!!

For several years, APS and similar philatelic organisations such as BNAPS
have
had to report on thefts from those attending.

In all cases, there seem to be indications, of an INSIDE JOB!!


At the risk of encouraging this unfortunate two-year thread to continue,
please provide specific evidence about the existence of documentation
proving that "significant THEFTS from those attending the Edmonton Stamp
Show."

You have repeatedly stated publicly--and to the world via this
newsgroup--that there has been wholesale theft at the show in the past
and that it will happen again. Is this an allegation that someone will
steal stamps from collectors attending the show? Or, does this mean that
dealers will steal from collectors attending the show? Or, does it mean
that show organizers will steal from collectors attending the show? Or,
is this a claim that show organizers will steal from dealers at the
show? Or, is this a claim that dealers will steal from each other at the
show? Or, are you warning that collectors will be stealing from dealers
at the show? Or, are you alleging that that show security is so lax that
someone will attempt to steal from dealers' stock after the show closes
each afternoon? Or, is theft taking place in the hotel rooms of dealers
and collectors attending the show?

According to all the reports in APS, BNAPS, newspapers in Edmonton, and the
Edmonton Police - check their file #03-39095 report of theft of material of
attending Dealer Donald Kaye, for example, it seems that someone connected
with the show MUST be directly involved with all the thefts from dealers
participating at the so-called show!!

Security at the show is apparently non-existent, based on the recurring thefts
year after year.

Provide this information or please step down from your podium.
=======================
Tracy Barber
-----------------------
adirondack-pc
-----------------------
"Freebie Stamp Project"
=======================

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With APS and BNAPS both documenting significant THEFTS from those attending
the Edmonton Stamp Show, a WARNING to all is just good advice.

Those who take it will benefit by not having their material stolen.

If those who go, get their material stolen, then that is their choice.

From all the reports, it most definitely looks like an inside job, as they
say.

With other criminal ionvestigations ongoing against several executives there,
by various Canadian and other law agencies, who knows what will be the next
bad news report from there?


On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:35:50 GMT, Tom Loepp wrote:

But doesn't that seem like a bigger crime to make accusations on an appearance.
Isn't that what is wrong with the world? Did you learn nothing from Sherlock's
most celebrated cases. The truth can be so logical as to defy fantasy. What if
some extraterrestrials or supernaturals were exacting revenge on evil stamp
collectors? Is that beyond the realm of possibility? Aren't stamp collectors and
dealers among the ranks of the darkside?
The apple doesn't fall too far from the worm.

Ernst Zundholz wrote:

It is NOt a troll, when one warns potential victims of being victims of THEFT
at Edmonton Stamp Show!!

For several years, APS and similar philatelic organisations such as BNAPS have
had to report on thefts from those attending.

In all cases, there seem to be indications, of an INSIDE JOB!!

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:29:00 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:09:13 -0700, Ernst Zundholz
wrote:

A WARNING TO ALL, about the upcoming Edmonton Stamp Show.
AVOID, and you will not have your material STOLEN, as has been
happening regularly the past few years!!

Just ask Bob Kane of central B.C., for his comments as published in
APS!!

Troll.

Go find something else to do instead of playing stamp cop. you do a
poor job of it.

Droll troll.

Wait! I just hear another stamp show has as many thieves! I'll fill
you in privately, via e-mail as to not disturb the neighbors here.

If you don't get a response from me in 5 minutes, please start without
me.

Very droll troll.



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On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:30:55 -0700, Ariadne
wrote:

Just read all the published info, details already provided, or contact
directly some of the dealer victims!!!

That answer is just not sufficient enough for the people who have been
here for 10 years or more. You have popped in as a Johnny-come-lately
with a petty grievance vendetta.

Thanks for keeping the pot boiling.

I just turned off the stove.

I am sure that Donald Kaye, a victim, will bless you.

Maybe, but he may want to wring your neck - I dunno. The way his name
is being pushed around here, he may have another opinion on what to
do.


=======================
Tracy Barber
-----------------------
adirondack-pc
-----------------------
"Freebie Stamp Project"
=======================

On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:37:47 -0700, Ariadne
wrote:

With APS and BNAPS both documenting significant THEFTS from those attending
the Edmonton Stamp Show, a WARNING to all is just good advice.

Those who take it will benefit by not having their material stolen.

If those who go, get their material stolen, then that is their choice.

From all the reports, it most definitely looks like an inside job, as they
say.

With other criminal ionvestigations ongoing against several executives there,
by various Canadian and other law agencies, who knows what will be the next
bad news report from there?

But, since you can't report on any news other than the 1 source, how
are we to believe someone who morphs their nym every time he wants a
new rise out of the regulars here?

To me, it smacks of a dog and pony show here folks. 1 instance of
theft and the whole show is crooked.

Maybe you are in cahoots with the villain?

=======================
Tracy Barber
-----------------------
adirondack-pc
-----------------------
"Freebie Stamp Project"
=======================

Anyone stupid enough to attend the stamp show in Edmonton runs a high risk of
robbery/theft!!

Just ask all the many victims of what seems to be inside thefts at the shows!!

Just ask the people at APS how many have had their material stolen there!
And Bob Kane, and Donald Kaye [Police Ref.#03-39095] have had enough of
Edmonton, to make public their concerns in the media!


On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:17:12 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:15:54 -0700, Ernst Zundholz
wrote:

A WARNING TO ALL, about the upcoming Edmonton Stamp Show.
AVOID, and you will not have your material STOLEN, as has been
happening regularly the past few years!!

Just ask Bob Kane of central B.C., for his comments as published in
APS!!


a reply to argue is a waste of my time... kk

AND... this is a waste of OUR TIME and bandwidth. This hocus pocus
crap should be announced 1 time and then dropped. Sheesh...

You make it seem that the entire city of Edmonton are thieves.

ONLY THAT THE OPERATORS OF THE EDMONTON STAMP SHOW HAVE
HAD TOO MANY SUSPICIOUS THEFTS AT THIER SO-CALLED STAMP SHOWS!!

Keep the paranoia level to a minimum - keep up the minimum dosage.

To reply with an argument is futile.

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On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:36:31 -0700, Ariadne wrote:

Just ask all the many victims of what seems to be inside thefts at the shows!!

There don't seem to be any, except in your imagination.

Just ask the people at APS how many have had their material stolen there!
And Bob Kane, and Donald Kaye [Police Ref.#03-39095] have had enough of
Edmonton, to make public their concerns in the media!

Seems to me if they have concerns, they'd bring 'em up. They seem
silent.

You know, it's funny. Here we have the classic usenet whackjob, who
thinks that a transparent rant in a Usenet group, read by maybe one
tenth of one percent of the potential show-goers, is going to have the
effect he desires. Well, funny isn't it, more of "sad".