"Barutan Seijin" wrote in message
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Knock around pens i have used:


Pilot Capless.

Nice pen. The gold plating (and perhaps something else) is falling off
of mine, which makes it even more of a knock about pen.

Waterman Phileas:

Apparently they don't make this one anymore. Too bad.

Rotring Cores

I don't like them that much that it would bother me that much if i were
to lose one, but they do write better than some other cheapies (e.g.,
Pelikan 150 & 200s, Lamy Safari).

Esterbrook Js & Dollar pens

Wearevers or some other 3rd tier pen might be a better choice, but it's
hard to resist these.


I tried the Capless. It was quite a frustrating experience - the nib was
great, but the clip was just too intrusive. Maybe it's for people who hold a
pen pointing "up" the page (roughly 12 o'clock). I hold mine pointing left
(nib aimed at 9 o'clock or maybe 8) with my middle and index finger propping
it underneath and to the side, so the wretched clip was right under my
thumb.

Nicely built pen if it suits you, and quite a conversation-starter ( "What
IS that thing??? ).

Some enterprising person ought to design a *Clipless* holder for the nib
unit, as they are great! It would sell. My skills are sadly not up to the
job.

The Phileas can not be beaten for value for money.