Seeburg C red cartridge help needed
 

I recently purchased a Seeburg C with the red cartridge. I want to change the needles because I don't know if I have a mono or stereo needle. All my records are stereo and I don't know if I should just put a .7 mil needle in my cartridge or if I should try buying a new cartridge. What will give me good quality sound out of this machine?

Seeburg C red cartridge help needed
 

You are going to be told about some O3D or some thing like that 300$
cartridge by some people and its a WASTE of money .
I put a Pickering aluminum gold colored cased cartidge in my Seeburg G
and it sounds 5 times better than that O3D thing . It has no model # on
it . I have seen them in black aluminum also and they go cheap . Mine
plays all records just fine

Seeburg C red cartridge help needed
 

Well Ken, you're of course welcome to your own opinion, but I've found that
the Pickering 345-03D was an excellent replacement in terms of sound quality.
Of course, I paid $50 or less for the ones that I bought. Would I pay $300
for one today? Probably not, but not because of the sound quality.

Joseph "Tony" Dziedzic

In article ,
(Ken G.) wrote:
You are going to be told about some O3D or some thing like that 300$
cartridge by some people and its a WASTE of money .
I put a Pickering aluminum gold colored cased cartidge in my Seeburg G
and it sounds 5 times better than that O3D thing . It has no model # on
it . I have seen them in black aluminum also and they go cheap . Mine
plays all records just fine

Seeburg C red cartridge help needed
 

Good answer, Joseph (Tony). I feel the same way, from what I've heard
about the O3d. Not being as skilled in electronics/sound issues as
others out there, I must beg the question, though, The original post
was referring to a Seeburg C, and the follow-up reply was referring to
a Seeburg G. Is there an issue (electronics-wise) with the difference
between a C, and a "high-fidelity" G amp? I don't know....I only pose
the question for those of us who are (otherwise) electronics
illiterate. Rob
Joseph A. 'Tony' Dziedzic wrote:
Well Ken, you're of course welcome to your own opinion, but I've found that
the Pickering 345-03D was an excellent replacement in terms of sound quality.
Of course, I paid $50 or less for the ones that I bought. Would I pay $300
for one today? Probably not, but not because of the sound quality.

Joseph "Tony" Dziedzic

In article ,
(Ken G.) wrote:
You are going to be told about some O3D or some thing like that 300$
cartridge by some people and its a WASTE of money .
I put a Pickering aluminum gold colored cased cartidge in my Seeburg G
and it sounds 5 times better than that O3D thing . It has no model # on
it . I have seen them in black aluminum also and they go cheap . Mine
plays all records just fine

Seeburg C red cartridge help needed
 

Many people do think the 03D sounds good because they have not heard the
better ones .

Seeburg C red cartridge help needed
 

Maybe they do, Ken. I've been involved with Seeburg jukes for some twenty-odd
years now, and have seen just about every cartridge made for and used on these
machines. I also have a degree in EE, I worked as an assistant chief engineer
at a radio station, and even did a stint as a disk jockey. I think I'm
vaguely qualified to judge jukebox sound quality.

Tony

In article ,
(Ken G.) wrote:
Many people do think the 03D sounds good because they have not heard the
better ones .

Seeburg C red cartridge help needed
 

I have no doubt you are very good at what you do . I have been a repair
tech of old and new electronics for 30 years and lived through the heavy
stereo years of the 70`s and lots of record players , speakers and sound
quality but that certainly does not make me an expert .
I only got started in jukeboxes the last 10 or so years and have
restored several and helped restore some and repaired a few on request
from random owners .

I received a Seeburg G and restored it with its original red cartridge
which sounded crappy .
I then went to a juke guy near here who has a Seeburg C and borrowed one
of his brand new O3D cartridges at the same time picked up my used gold
Pickering cartridge and new needles at a local vending outfit .
I came home and tried both in my G . The O3D sounded very clear and all
but lacked in volume and bass so i tried the gold one and the machine
never sounded better , super crisp hi`s and deep bass with tons of
volume .
I heard his Seeburg C while i was there with his O3D in it and it
sounded real nice but not as good of bass as my G .
The G has a tweeter The C does not so we wont compare hi`s .. not fare .

The construction of this gold cartridge explains it all . Before i put
it to perminent use i took it apart to clean and restore it . The needle
on this is set up directly on the armature inside the cartridges coils .
The O3D and red head use magnetic transfer between the needle structure
and the coils inside , this creates a loss .

He told me the input resistors had to be changed in his C to compensate
for that O3D cartridge . The main purpose for the O3D is its very gentle
on records because of its fine needle arm and light tracking force
otherwise its just another cartridge that gained a ridiculous price for
reasons unknown other than over rated word of mouth and the fact they
are getting hard to find .
There were also vintage standard double sided phono cartridges that were
being adapted to a Seeburg tone arm plug that had a rating very close to
the O3D but not as `pretty` .
One of his G mechs had one of those on it that he had me work on so
while it was here i tried that adapted cartrige in my G out of curiosity
and it sounded just like an O3D .
I know the only way to show some people would be to stand them in front
of a jukebox and try each cartridge in it so they could hear for
themselves .

The moral of the story is .. The O3D sounds clear and with a resistor
change it will sound louder . Is it worth 300$ .. NO

I appreciate your input guys but I don't know if I am any better off than when I started. I seemed to have started a feud of sorts. You have to understand that I am dumb as a rock when it comes to these cartridges. I know absolutely nothing of their history or upgrades. I just know the one on my machine is red. Is there a better cartridge available other than the OD3 that will sound decent of should I keep my red cartridge and just put new needles in it. I don't know what makes the red any better or any worse than other cartridges. Your help is greatly needed because I don't have a clue as to what I should do at this point. Thanks for your help guys!!!

Seeburg C red cartridge help needed
 

I don't think it's so much of a feud as a point of view. Ken feels the
345-03D is WAY over-priced, and I actually agree with him on that point. When
they were in the $50-75 range they were the best alternative to the original
red head cartridges. There ARE some older-manufacture cartridges out there
that were also a good alternative in their days, but since they're no longer
made, it's hard to suggest any of them. If you happen to have a local music
operator in your area, and they happen to have some old Seeburg-style
cartridges they'll sell cheap, you might find something you'd like.

Your best bet is to replace the needles and keep the existing cartridge,
unless you want to spend $300 for an 03D.

Joseph "Tony" Dziedzic

In article , rmoody1695
wrote:

rmoody1695 Wrote:
I recently purchased a Seeburg C with the red cartridge. I want to
change the needles because I don't know if I have a mono or stereo
needle. All my records are stereo and I don't know if I should just
put a .7 mil needle in my cartridge or if I should try buying a new
cartridge. What will give me good quality sound out of this machine?


I appreciate your input guys but I don't know if I am any better off
than when I started. I seemed to have started a feud of sorts. You
have to understand that I am dumb as a rock when it comes to these
cartridges. I know absolutely nothing of their history or upgrades. I
just know the one on my machine is red. Is there a better cartridge
available other than the OD3 that will sound decent of should I keep my
red cartridge and just put new needles in it. I don't know what makes
the red any better or any worse than other cartridges. Your help is
greatly needed because I don't have a clue as to what I should do at
this point. Thanks for your help guys!!!

Seeburg C red cartridge help needed
 

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Inboomer scribbled;

Good answer, Joseph (Tony). I feel the same way, from what I've heard
about the O3d. Not being as skilled in electronics/sound issues as
others out there, I must beg the question, though, The original post
was referring to a Seeburg C, and the follow-up reply was referring to
a Seeburg G. Is there an issue (electronics-wise) with the difference
between a C, and a "high-fidelity" G amp?... snip.... The ''G'' Amp has
the ultra-linear
screen taps on the output transformer primary which reduce distortion...
look up
''David Hafler'' for more info..snip.....I don't know....I only pose
the question for those of us who are (otherwise) electronics
illiterate. Rob
Joseph A. 'Tony' Dziedzic wrote:
Well Ken, you're of course welcome to your own opinion, but I've found
that
the Pickering 345-03D was an excellent replacement in terms of sound
quality.
Of course, I paid $50 or less for the ones that I bought. Would I pay
$300
for one today? Probably not, but not because of the sound quality.

Joseph "Tony" Dziedzic

In article ,
(Ken G.) wrote:
You are going to be told about some O3D or some thing like that 300$
cartridge by some people and its a WASTE of money .
I put a Pickering aluminum gold colored cased cartidge in my Seeburg G
and it sounds 5 times better than that O3D thing . It has no model # on
it . I have seen them in black aluminum also and they go cheap . Mine
plays all records just fine