"Libertadum Defendum" ??
 

Does this ring a bell with anyone? I had someone call me today, saying
they had a piece dated 1787, copper (or similar) with an Indian on the
front, with a legend (on the obverse) of "Libertatum Defendum"?

I never heard of such a piece...I told him it was probably a token or
medal, but I really didn't know. I'll probably have a look at it this
weekend, but meanwhile...

Anyone know what this might be?

TIA,

...Tom

Googled everything I could think of... nada. Any chance of pics?

"LRC-Tom" wrote in message
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Does this ring a bell with anyone? I had someone call me today, saying
they had a piece dated 1787, copper (or similar) with an Indian on the
front, with a legend (on the obverse) of "Libertatum Defendum"?

I never heard of such a piece...I told him it was probably a token or
medal, but I really didn't know. I'll probably have a look at it this
weekend, but meanwhile...

Anyone know what this might be?

TIA,

..Tom

I'd need to see a picture, but it could be Colonial Coinage of New York. In
1787, they had a coin with an Indian on the front with similar words. They
had 3 styles that had the NY Coat of Arms, an Eagle sitting on a globe, or
George III. What is on the reverse side of this coin?

Beware though, there are copies of these coins out there (without the
value).

Bob

"LRC-Tom" wrote in message
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Does this ring a bell with anyone? I had someone call me today, saying
they had a piece dated 1787, copper (or similar) with an Indian on the
front, with a legend (on the obverse) of "Libertatum Defendum"?

I never heard of such a piece...I told him it was probably a token or
medal, but I really didn't know. I'll probably have a look at it this
weekend, but meanwhile...

Anyone know what this might be?

TIA,

..Tom

Bob and Dee wrote:
I'd need to see a picture, but it could be Colonial Coinage of New York. In
1787, they had a coin with an Indian on the front with similar words. They
had 3 styles that had the NY Coat of Arms, an Eagle sitting on a globe, or
George III. What is on the reverse side of this coin?

Beware though, there are copies of these coins out there (without the
value).

Bob

"LRC-Tom" wrote in message
oups.com...
Does this ring a bell with anyone? I had someone call me today, saying
they had a piece dated 1787, copper (or similar) with an Indian on the
front, with a legend (on the obverse) of "Libertatum Defendum"?

I never heard of such a piece...I told him it was probably a token or
medal, but I really didn't know. I'll probably have a look at it this
weekend, but meanwhile...

Anyone know what this might be?

TIA,

..Tom


I have to agree with Bob. Your description sounds like a NY Colonial
Copper (pp. 46 and 47, 2004 Red Book).

Jerry

Thanks, guys...I'll try to get a look at it this weekend. I'll
definitely try to determine whether it's a copy, which is what I expect
it will be.

...Tom

On 20 Jul 2005 12:39:32 -0700, "LRC-Tom"
wrote:

Thanks, guys...I'll try to get a look at it this weekend. I'll
definitely try to determine whether it's a copy, which is what I expect
it will be.

It's "Liber natus libertatem defendo" = I defend Liberty, who was born
free.

Good thing to remember in the present time, as well as to remember how
easily lost it can be!

Padraic.

..Tom

la cieurgeourea provoer mal trasfu
ast meiyoer ke 'l andrext ben trasfu.

On 20 Jul 2005 04:15:11 -0700, "Jerry Dennis" wrote:



Bob and Dee wrote:
I'd need to see a picture, but it could be Colonial Coinage of New York. In
1787, they had a coin with an Indian on the front with similar words. They
had 3 styles that had the NY Coat of Arms, an Eagle sitting on a globe, or
George III. What is on the reverse side of this coin?

Beware though, there are copies of these coins out there (without the
value).

Bob

"LRC-Tom" wrote in message
oups.com...
Does this ring a bell with anyone? I had someone call me today, saying
they had a piece dated 1787, copper (or similar) with an Indian on the
front, with a legend (on the obverse) of "Libertatum Defendum"?

I never heard of such a piece...I told him it was probably a token or
medal, but I really didn't know. I'll probably have a look at it this
weekend, but meanwhile...

Anyone know what this might be?

TIA,

..Tom


I have to agree with Bob. Your description sounds like a NY Colonial
Copper (pp. 46 and 47, 2004 Red Book).

Jerry

Or pp.52 and 53 in the 2005 Red Book

Don

Brainstorm: when you have an inspiration that's all wet.

Isn't 1787 a tad late for George III?

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"Bob and Dee" wrote in message
...
I'd need to see a picture, but it could be Colonial Coinage of New York.
In 1787, they had a coin with an Indian on the front with similar words.
They had 3 styles that had the NY Coat of Arms, an Eagle sitting on a
globe, or George III. What is on the reverse side of this coin?

Beware though, there are copies of these coins out there (without the
value).

Bob

"LRC-Tom" wrote in message
oups.com...
Does this ring a bell with anyone? I had someone call me today, saying
they had a piece dated 1787, copper (or similar) with an Indian on the
front, with a legend (on the obverse) of "Libertatum Defendum"?

I never heard of such a piece...I told him it was probably a token or
medal, but I really didn't know. I'll probably have a look at it this
weekend, but meanwhile...

Anyone know what this might be?

TIA,

..Tom

Aladdin Sane wrote:
Isn't 1787 a tad late for George III?

Nope, he died in 1820. Just in the news this week was that his insanity
may have actually been due to being poisoned. Guess that they got some
of his hair which showed high levels of arsenic. Of course in those
days lots of aristocrats took small doses of the poison to build up a
resistance to it.

I think the idea is that it is a little late for -=New York=- to have
a George III portrait, you know, kind of after the declaration of
Independence & all.

Lee C.

On 23 Jul 2005 09:09:45 -0700, "Jud" wrote:



Aladdin Sane wrote:
Isn't 1787 a tad late for George III?

Nope, he died in 1820. Just in the news this week was that his insanity
may have actually been due to being poisoned. Guess that they got some
of his hair which showed high levels of arsenic. Of course in those
days lots of aristocrats took small doses of the poison to build up a
resistance to it.